Why atheists, Satanists, heathens, etc can't be Americans or Westerners

MarcusA said:
Oh really?

An atheist can't have any objection to rape, murder, or other immoral acts by virtue of some "lack of belief in a God".

He can only steal or culturally appropriate those moral axioms from religion, of course.

So yes, a monotheistic religion which prohibits rape and murder as immoral, is decidedly more compatible and acceptable with our Law than a weak and effeminate little atheist who has no morality to speak of beyond that perhaps of a beast, or what he has stolen from his moral and religious superiors.
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so a failed dead man god on two sticks is your source of morality, oy vey goyim
 
MarcusA said:
The Common Law in the US is based off of "religious" morality and values.
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Actually, they're based on the morality of the Enlightenment, which was a departure from religion. Western values generally go against Christianity. For example, Christianity permits slavery, but slavery is considered wrong in Western Civilization.
 
StoneByStone said:
Actually, they're based on the morality of the Enlightenment, which was a departure from religion. Western values generally go against Christianity. For example, Christianity permits slavery, but slavery is considered wrong in Western Civilization.
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Bogus, slavery was favored by Enlightenment figures like Voltaire, when individuals like Jesus had been arguing for peace between Samaritans and Jews centuries before.

The Enlightenment was not a "departure from religion", it was simply an intellectual movement which separated from the Medieval Church, there's no such thing as an "Enlightenment value" which wasn't rooted in "religion", or an establishment of "new religious movements" of some variety or another.

Just as how every ill which one rallies against or associates with "religion" was perpetuated by Enlightenment figures such as the racist Voltaire, for example.
 
MarcusA said:
Bogus, slavery was favored by Enlightenment figures like Voltaire, when individuals like Jesus had been arguing for peace between Samaritans and Jews centuries before.
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Voltaire was against slavery. I have no idea where you heard the opposite, since this is pretty well-known.
Jesus never condemned slavery, despite it being taught in his religion and being common in his country. Now that doesn't necessarily mean he thought slavery was ok, but considering he said that the Jewish laws still stand, he was likely fine with it.

there's no such thing as an "Enlightenment value" which wasn't rooted in "religion", or an establishment of "new religious movements" of some variety or another.
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Of course there were! Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, Democracy, equality before the law, pretty much all of the Enlightenment values are rooted in Ancient Greece. And yeah, the Ancient Greeks were Pagan, but these were considered secular values among the Greeks, even if some of them believed they pleased the gods.
 
StoneByStone said:
Voltaire was against slavery. I have no idea where you heard the opposite, since this is pretty well-known.
Jesus never condemned slavery, despite it being taught in his religion and being common in his country. Now that doesn't necessarily mean he thought slavery was ok, but considering he said that the Jewish laws still stand, he was likely fine with it.



Of course there were! Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, Democracy, equality before the law, pretty much all of the Enlightenment values are rooted in Ancient Greece. And yeah, the Ancient Greeks were Pagan, but these were considered secular values among the Greeks, even if some of them believed they pleased the gods.
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he said the old laws were void, that he was the fulfillment of the law. he got in trouble for harvesting on the sabbath.

stop being such a jew.
 
StoneByStone said:
Not sure how it's weasel wording to say that the old laws will stand to the end of time. That's pretty straight forward.
But then again, he was a Jew.
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except it's all wrong. he was bullshitting Pharisees at the time. you believed it, dumb jew. Christ makes your religion invalid, sorry.
 
MarcusA said:
"Proof" as defined by your nonsensical terms, sure.


Yawn, just another idiot conflating simplistic icongraphic imagry and symbolism, perhaps akin to Carl Jung's archetypes to God, which isn't depictable with imagry to begin with.

Simplistic images, whether "ghosts, goblins, flying spaghetti monsters" are just what atheists and simple, heathen people picture and imagine like they always have, akin to whatever silly media characters or "celebrities" and their silly, mythical, and rather fictitious and childishly simplistic notions of them are to begin with, as opposed to God, of course, which is transcendent, intangible, and not able to be depicted with simplistic images to begin with.
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Think whatever you want about me, and I'll think whatever I think about you.

I don't have a problem with people who practice their religions. I do have a problem with those who judge others who do not follow religion.

I don't have a problem with you or your religion, but I do have a problem of your hateful attitude towards others.

Jesus would not approve of your hateful behavior.
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
Think whatever you want about me, and I'll think whatever I think about you.

I don't have a problem with people who practice their religions. I do have a problem with those who judge others who do not follow religion.

I don't have a problem with you or your religion, but I do have a problem of your hateful attitude towards others.

Jesus would not approve of your hateful behavior.
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jesus would not approve of your censorship cancel culture.
 
MarcusA said:
The point is that atheists than those with no morality to speak of beyond that of a beast or dog can't be trusted to govern or regulate themselves without the aid of a comparatively enlightened individual, so to indoctrinate them in to the right and moral superior way and path is the duty of the god-fearing and enlightened, much akin to a shepherd hearing a flock of sheep, who would otherwise be lost if left to their own devices.
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Who appointed you JPP imam, Mohammed?
 
Evmetro said:
I dont think this thread is about Trump. You sound as stupid as a lefty/atheist/commie.
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To begin with a moral standard needs to apply to everybody, but then again, you Trumpoids aren't known for your intelligence, and your statement( in bold) proves it.
 
StoneByStone said:
Actually, they're based on the morality of the Enlightenment, which was a departure from religion. Western values generally go against Christianity. For example, Christianity permits slavery, but slavery is considered wrong in Western Civilization.
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Christianity has or does no such things in its doctrine. What do you think the Pharisees and the plagues of Egypt were about? The Confederate Christians are the only ones that attempted to vindicate slavery with warped interpretation and cherry-picking. Southern Christianity was where we got most of these cafeteria-style Christians in America. Megachurch televangelism spawned because people realized this breed of Christian could be played. That entire concept is flatlined by on Biblical passage

Matthew 6:24
No one can serve two masters: Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.
 
StoneByStone said:
Actually, they're based on the morality of the Enlightenment, which was a departure from religion. Western values generally go against Christianity. For example, Christianity permits slavery, but slavery is considered wrong in Western Civilization.
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First, the premise of the OP and the trollish denigration of atheists is utterly retarded.

Next, Western civilization did not reach a consensus that slavery was wrong until the 19th century - and that was largely a result of the activism of abolitionist liberal Christians. 18th and 19th century atheists had almost no influence or effect on the abolitionist movements.

The claim that Christianity is a religion of slavery is anachronistic. It is bad form to apply your 21st century morals to humans of the 1st century AD. All humans accepted slavery then.

But by the standards of the 1st century, Christianity was more palatable to slaves themselves. Greek and Roman sources report that they considered Christianity to be a religion of women and slaves. By the standards of antiquity, Christianity's message of salvation and spiritual equality for everyone obviously resonated with slaves and women. And I maintain that Christianity's promise of spritual and moral equality is the seed that really brought slavery down in the end. It certainly was not the work of 18th century atheists which brought slavery down.
 
Crocodile said:
Christianity has or does no such things in its doctrine. What do you think the Pharisees and the plagues of Egypt were about? The Confederate Christians are the only ones that attempted to vindicate slavery with warped interpretation and cherry-picking. Southern Christianity was where we got most of these cafeteria-style Christians in America. Megachurch televangelism spawned because people realized this breed of Christian could be played. That entire concept is flatlined by on Biblical passage

Matthew 6:24
No one can serve two masters: Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.
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Christianity definitely allows for slavery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_slavery
 
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