Why didn't the Ukrainians make use of this?

[T. A. Gardner]

They ruined the barrel? Why?

To make it inoperable as a weapon. That video pre-dates this war considerably. Seems Russia and old Soviet states have lots of military equipment lying about like that ISU 152 in a goat herder's pasture...

 

[Legion]

This is next door. It'd be like the US invaded Mexico and stalled 90 miles inside their border. WTF?

Like this, General Shills?

 

[Cypress]

The age of the tank is over.

It basically ended when columns of Russian tanks were destroyed in Grozny by a few dozen Chechen rebels with anti tank missiles.

This is the age of drones, air power, and shoulder fired anti-tank missiles.

Bullshit!

"In Ukraine, the Russian military and intelligence agencies did not foresee the power of the anti-tank missiles. [Our] analysis even questioned whether the tank is becoming obsolete."

--> Brent M. Eastwood PhD, now serving as 1945’s Defense and National Security Editor, he is the author of Humans, Machines, and Data: Future Trends in Warfare. He is an Emerging Threats expert and former U.S. Army Infantry officer.


https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/03/switchblade-kamikaze-drones-russias-worst-nightmare/

 

[Legion]

Brent M. Eastwood

Is he related to Clint, sex pest?

 

[Walt]

Legion does not know his history. Pancho Villa invaded the USA, becoming the last enemy to invade the contiguous USA, and the last enemy to invade a state within the USA. It was a small invasion, but still it was a big deal. He was chased back over the border, and Pershing spent almost a year trying to catch Villa in Mexico.

Next Legion will claim we invaded Germany during WWII without provocation.

 

[Legion]

Legion does not know his history. Pancho Villa invaded the USA, becoming the last enemy to invade the contiguous USA, and the last enemy to invade a state within the USA. It was a small invasion, but still it was a big deal. He was chased back over the border, and Pershing spent almost a year trying to catch Villa in Mexico. Next Legion will claim we invaded Germany during WWII without provocation.

Villa was a bandit who conducted a raid on the border town of Columbus, New Mexico to goad the U.S. to invade Mexico in 1916-17. Despite a major contingent of soldiers and the latest military technology, the U.S. failed to capture Villa. When President Carranza was ousted from power in 1920, Villa negotiated an amnesty with interim President Adolfo de la Huerta and was given a landed estate.

So, like I said, it'd be like the US invaded Mexico and stalled inside their border.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Legion does not know his history. Pancho Villa invaded the USA, becoming the last enemy to invade the contiguous USA, and the last enemy to invade a state within the USA. It was a small invasion, but still it was a big deal. He was chased back over the border, and Pershing spent almost a year trying to catch Villa in Mexico.

Next Legion will claim we invaded Germany during WWII without provocation.

If you consider that everything Legion posts is a lie, you'll be right over 90% of the time.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Villa was a bandit who conducted a raid on the border town of Columbus, New Mexico to goad the U.S. to invade Mexico in 1916-17. Despite a major contingent of soldiers and the latest military technology, the U.S. failed to capture Villa. When President Carranza was ousted from power in 1920, Villa negotiated an amnesty with interim President Adolfo de la Huerta and was given a landed estate.

So, like I said, it'd be like the US invaded Mexico and stalled inside their border.

The lie is your slant. What is that supposed to mean, Legion? That the US was the aggressor therefore it's okay if Russia invades Ukraine?

 

[Walt]

If you consider that everything Legion posts is a lie, you'll be right over 90% of the time.

They are so desperate to support their unsupportable position, they will post whatever lie will work.

 

[Walt]

When President Carranza was ousted from power in 1920, Villa negotiated an amnesty with interim President Adolfo de la Huerta and was given a landed estate.

Again, Legion does not know his history. Villa was quickly assassinated. It was all a trick.

So, like I said, it'd be like the US invaded Mexico and stalled inside their border.

The US Army was able to follow Pancho Villa virtually unopposed. They were not stalled. Villa was a better hider, and a faster runner, but the Mexicans did almost nothing to protect him.

More importantly Major General Pershing returned unscathed. Not only did almost no soldiers die, absolutely no major generals died.

 

[Legion]

 

[Dutch Uncle]

They are so desperate to support their unsupportable position, they will post whatever lie will work.

In the Gimp's POV, it's just whatever troll works the most. Every good forum needs a least one Gimp to troll whatever is the least popular position. Even Trump says Putin is wrong along with the Republican Party. Legion? The Gimp goes for the gutter position.

It's date night!

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Villa was a bandit who conducted a raid on the border town of Columbus, New Mexico to goad the U.S. to invade Mexico in 1916-17. Despite a major contingent of soldiers and the latest military technology, the U.S. failed to capture Villa. When President Carranza was ousted from power in 1920, Villa negotiated an amnesty with interim President Adolfo de la Huerta and was given a landed estate.

So, like I said, it'd be like the US invaded Mexico and stalled inside their border.

One might note that his second raid on Columbus ended in disaster for him as the US Army was present and set up machineguns in the streets with pre-planned lines of fire and slaughtered Villa's men who were completely surprised and confused by the Army's well-arranged killing zones.

Back then, the US didn't fuck around with half-assed measures and pansy assed hand wringing.

It was full-on WW 1 warfare between Mexico and the US.

 

[Legion]

One might note that his second raid on Columbus ended in disaster for him as the US Army was present and set up machineguns in the streets with pre-planned lines of fire and slaughtered Villa's men who were completely surprised and confused by the Army's well-arranged killing zones. Back then, the US didn't fuck around with half-assed measures and pansy assed hand wringing. It was full-on WW 1 warfare between Mexico and the US.

And just like Ukraine, a meddling DEMOCRAT was responsible for the whole debacle:

In 1913, a bloody civil war in Mexico brought the general Victoriano Huerta to power. American President Woodrow Wilson despised the new regime, referring to it as a “government of butchers,” and provided active military support to a challenger, Venustiano Carranza. Unfortunately, when Carranza won power in 1914, he also proved a disappointment and Wilson supported yet another rebel leader, Pancho Villa.

A wily, peasant-born leader, Villa joined with Emiliano Zapata to keep the spirit of rebellion alive in Mexico and harass the Carranza government. A year later, though, Wilson decided Carranza had made enough steps towards democratic reform to merit official American support, and the president abandoned Villa. Outraged, Villa turned against the United States. In January 1916, he kidnapped 18 Americans from a Mexican train and slaughtered them. A few weeks later, Villa led an army of about 1,500 guerrillas across the border to stage a brutal raid against the small American town of Columbus, New Mexico. Villa and his men killed 19 people and left the town in flames.

Now determined to destroy the rebel he had once supported, Wilson ordered General John Pershing to lead 6,000 American troops into Mexico and capture Villa. Reluctantly, Carranza agreed to allow the U.S. to invade Mexican territory. For nearly two years, Pershing and his soldiers chased the elusive Villa on horseback, in automobiles, and with airplanes. The American troops had several bloody skirmishes with the rebels, but Pershing was never able to find and engage Villa.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/pancho-villa-attacks-columbus-new-mexico

People never learn, do they?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

That's what happens when idiot Progressive Leftists are calling the shots...

 

[T. A. Gardner]

How we secured the border circa 1914...

 

[Walt]

One might note that his second raid on Columbus ended in disaster for him as the US Army was present and set up machineguns in the streets with pre-planned lines of fire and slaughtered Villa's men who were completely surprised and confused by the Army's well-arranged killing zones.

Try as I might, I cannot find any reference to a second Columbus raid. I am thinking you just made that up. You felt left out by the big boys talking about history, and decided to make up some history of your own.

The US Army did not have many machine guns, and did not learn about how to setup even elementary kill zones until it entered WWI... A year or two later. Kill zones are tough to setup in open space. There was little use of machine guns on either side. Any machine gun that could be made was sent to Europe, and Americans were not making many, not realizing how important they were. Villa had the common sense not to attack the same place twice, nor to attack a stronger enemy.

Back then, the US didn't fuck around with half-assed measures and pansy assed hand wringing. It was full-on WW 1 warfare between Mexico and the US.

Are you trying to say the most wrong things possible?

WWI was trench warfare, not mobile warfare. The Punitive Expedition was the most mobile warfare imaginable, anti-guerilla warfare in a lightly occupied country. It was not warfare against Mexico, the Mexicans outside of Villa ignored the Americans, and the Americans ignored them. Even Villa did everything possible not to engage the Americans.

After almost a year of trucks breaking down, and getting lost in the desert, but almost no actual fighting... The Americans went home in neither defeat nor victory. It was just a major waste of time.

The one thing the US Army learned was to standardize their trucks. They had hundreds of different designed trucks, that needed millions of different parts usually custom made for them. It was chaos.

 

[Walt]

How we secured the border circa 1914...

That would have been circa 1918, not 1914. There is an important historical difference.

Notice that there are markers for the border, but it is easily crossed without any form of border checkpoint.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Try as I might, I cannot find any reference to a second Columbus raid. I am thinking you just made that up. You felt left out by the big boys talking about history, and decided to make up some history of your own.

The US Army did not have many machine guns, and did not learn about how to setup even elementary kill zones until it entered WWI... A year or two later. Kill zones are tough to setup in open space. There was little use of machine guns on either side. Any machine gun that could be made was sent to Europe, and Americans were not making many, not realizing how important they were. Villa had the common sense not to attack the same place twice, nor to attack a stronger enemy.



Are you trying to say the most wrong things possible?

WWI was trench warfare, not mobile warfare. The Punitive Expedition was the most mobile warfare imaginable, anti-guerilla warfare in a lightly occupied country. It was not warfare against Mexico, the Mexicans outside of Villa ignored the Americans, and the Americans ignored them. Even Villa did everything possible not to engage the Americans.

After almost a year of trucks breaking down, and getting lost in the desert, but almost no actual fighting... The Americans went home in neither defeat nor victory. It was just a major waste of time.

The one thing the US Army learned was to standardize their trucks. They had hundreds of different designed trucks, that needed millions of different parts usually custom made for them. It was chaos.

But news of the Santa Ysabel massacre didn’t trigger any U.S. retaliation. So Villa tried something more audacious. In the predawn hours of March 9, 1916, Villa’s men raided the town of Columbus, New Mexico, three miles north of the border. A regiment of the U.S. Army’s 13th Cavalry was encamped at the town, and its munitions depot was a target of the raid. Despite being surprised by the attack, the U.S. troops quickly regrouped and returned fire—at one point setting up a Benet-Mercier machine gun in front of the town’s one hotel. The fighting, as well as the fires set by Villa’s men, left the town in ruins.

https://www.cfr.org/blog/twe-rememb...916,,munitions depot was a target of the raid.

Sorry. Conflated the earlier Santa Ysabel raid with a first one on Columbus.

This is the machinegun described above:

The US Army used it as the Hotchkiss M1909. The US Army also used the Colt M1895 machinegun sometimes called a "Potato digger" for the way the action worked.

Battle of Naco and Agua Prieta

Some of the three miles of trenches at Agua Prieta. The town on the US side was Douglas Arizona.

The US Army didn't standardize trucks and phase out horses until the mid 1930's. Even then, the cavalry was still using a mix of horses and vehicles and the 1st and 2nd Cavalry divisions didn't fully mechanize until the 1940's.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Even Pershing heading the expedition rode a horse:

US Army troops practicing during the expedition. Note the trenches

Attached Apache Scouts

9th or 10th (Colored) cavalry troops

A few motor vehicles, and even aircraft were used: