Why Do Conservatives Defend / Protect The Super-Rich?

[PoliTalker]

Goodbye DonaldvoTrumpovich,

You're getting poofed. I’ve contacted you directly in the past to let you know abuse is unacceptable. I thought we had an understanding. Apparently telling people off is more important to you than ongoing conversations.

I will explain why I am excommunicating you...

Here, I have snipped out everything you tried to say and left what came across. I can’t imagine why you wasted your time trying to have a conversation as you laced it with unkind and blatant personal attacks, despite already knowing I refuse to be an enabler for that. Here’s the result:

…you resent ... you in fact do. ... you hate ... you need to get out more ... you want to assume that ... you ... hate ...
There you go again with the hate. ... you ...hate ...
What you should say is ... (that was really cute. Instead of putting words in my mouth, you just flat out tell me what my posts should be.)
... you jealous ... you hate ... so much ...

I can’t imagine why anybody would want to listen to that.
btw, I never once said I hate the wealthy. I do not. You made it all up about me. I don't hate anybody. I am truly a lover of all humanity. Criticizing wrongdoing is not synonymous with hatred.

Some people want to get down in the dirt and have insult contests. That’s fine if both parties accept it. That’s not me. It's bad energy. I just stay away. I don't attack people personally, and I don't put up with it when others try to do that to me.

I’m sorry it didn’t work out. I’ve enjoyed some of our conversations and I’ll miss the better part of you. I wish you well. Farewell ex-friend.

And let this serve as public notice. The PIP is no bluff. I do what I have to in order to create enjoyable visits here. I post here not for abuse but for pleasure and getting better informed.

Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Flame on me, mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you go on my PERMANENT Ignore List. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I won't participate in your threads, you will be banned from mine. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: if you like my PIP, feel free to use it. It works well.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Because they think one day they're going to be rich.

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That's part of it. They've also had it drilled into their heads that higher taxes on the very wealthy will have a terrible dampening effect on the economy over all, and they'll stop "creating jobs." It's a great trick that has been played on them, and they seem unable to understand that it's a totally false belief.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Or...on a similar note...why the poor white folk of the south during Civil War days fought for the right of the wealthy to own slaves to do the work they should have been paying those "poor white folk" to do.
Maybe the are just STUPID! Stupid people willing to steady the hand of others who are trying to slit their throats.

That's exactly why the Civil War was framed by the South as NOT about slavery, but about "states' rights." To this day many Southerners insist that this is the truth. It's too hard to admit that they were gulled.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

Goodbye DonaldvoTrumpovich,

You're getting poofed. I’ve contacted you directly in the past to let you know abuse is unacceptable. I thought we had an understanding. Apparently telling people off is more important to you than ongoing conversations.

I will explain why I am excommunicating you...

Here, I have snipped out everything you tried to say and left what came across. I can’t imagine why you wasted your time trying to have a conversation as you laced it with unkind and blatant personal attacks, despite already knowing I refuse to be an enabler for that. Here’s the result:

I can’t imagine why anybody would want to listen to that.
btw, I never once said I hate the wealthy. I do not. You made it all up about me. I don't hate anybody. I am truly a lover of all humanity. Criticizing wrongdoing is not synonymous with hatred.

Some people want to get down in the dirt and have insult contests. That’s fine if both parties accept it. That’s not me. It's bad energy. I just stay away. I don't attack people personally, and I don't put up with it when others try to do that to me.

I’m sorry it didn’t work out. I’ve enjoyed some of our conversations and I’ll miss the better part of you. I wish you well. Farewell ex-friend.

And let this serve as public notice. The PIP is no bluff. I do what I have to in order to create enjoyable visits here. I post here not for abuse but for pleasure and getting better informed.

Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Flame on me, mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you go on my PERMANENT Ignore List. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I won't participate in your threads, you will be banned from mine. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: if you like my PIP, feel free to use it. It works well.

That's fine if you so choose but I must say, you claim you don't 'hate' the wealthy but your words say otherwise. Calling them 'greedy', 'wealthaholics', 'immoral' says more about how you feel about them than you claiming you "don't hate anybody". You may not call it hate so maybe "resent" is a better word. You obviously carry some sort of disdain or contempt for them. You should at least admit that. So let me give you another word to ponder: "Denial". Because that's what you're doing. So it's really just a matter of semantics. You have some sort of aversion for the word "hate" but are fine using words like "greedy" or "immoral". That wreaks of hypocrisy and doesn't help to support your claim that you're truly a lover of all humanity.

I think you're a tad sensitive because nothing I said was insulting. Or maybe you realize you just can't refute my rebuttals and have given up trying.
I still don't understand how someone who has worked in a government job, getting a paycheck for doing nothing for years thinks government is the answer.
It just doesn't make sense.

BTW, you may want to look up the word "excommunicate" before you use it again in a sentence:

excommunicate
verb | ˌekskəˈmyo͞onəˌkāt |
officially exclude (someone) from participation in the sacraments and services of the Christian Church.


So, you see, you didn't "excommunicate" me. You just put me on IGNORE. Therein lies your problem. Words have meanings. Learn how to use them.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Sirthinksalot,

Hi Politalker,

I abbreviated your OP for brevity, I hope you don't mind.

No problem.

I don't envy people who are more successful than I am and I don't feel entitled to what they have.

Neither do I. I am a tax payer. I help support the needy. I feel good about paying my taxes, doing my share. Makes me feel like I am contributing to our great nation.

I disagree with your contention that wealthy people "extract my (or anyone else's) wealth". People who pay for a good or service do so voluntarily and if a good or service is a "rip off" free markets allow competition to step in and provide the same, at a better value.

Sounds nice, and it does happen in some markets. Certainly not all and certainly not where the greediest capitalists have their way. Our ISP's are a really good example. What do we rank, like 34th out of 40 nations studied for download speeds? The providers have a handshake wink wink understanding that they don't compete. They divvy up the markets, provide what they feel like providing and over charge us. People come here from other nations and say it is like going back in time. It's that bad. And that is just one example of instances where insufficiently regulated capitalism is hurting us, ripping us off.

I cannot agree with the premise that people who are successful should have their wealth confiscated and given to others.

That's the basis of progressive taxation and the government safety net.

We already have a progressive tax system whereby people at the top pay the lions share of taxes. Many at the bottom rungs pay no federal income taxes. The wealthy already provide the majority of tax revenues. Why isn't that good enough for you?

Because it is not enough. These people who pay most of the taxes typically pay a smaller percentage of their net worth in taxes than most Americans. They are just socking it away. They don't need it, don't spend it, don't contribute to consumerism with as much of their wealth as the rest of us. And all the time the nation languishes on a skimpy budget underfunding good programs, making them suck, operating on too much debt. Republicans try to kill every good program and then claim government is the problem. It is a problem they create by being chincy and protecting the super-rich from justified taxation.

 

[iolo]

Hi Politalker,

I abbreviated your OP for brevity, I hope you don't mind.



I don't envy people who are more successful than I am and I don't feel entitled to what they have. I disagree with your contention that wealthy people "extract my (or anyone else's) wealth". People who pay for a good or service do so voluntarily and if a good or service is a "rip off" free markets allow competition to step in and provide the same, at a better value. I cannot agree with the premise that people who are successful should have their wealth confiscated and given to others. We already have a progressive tax system whereby people at the top pay the lions share of taxes. Many at the bottom rungs pay no federal income taxes. The wealthy already provide the majority of tax revenues. Why isn't that good enough for you?

Since the working class produces everything the thieves have ever stolen to become rich, why should anyone be pleased to be thrown a few dimes of their own money. Incidentally, the thought of feeling 'jealous' of the doddering clown Trumpf, or this thick bugger come to that, is particularly ludicrous!

 

[Ross Dolan]

Since the working class produces everything the thieves have ever stolen to become rich, why should anyone be pleased to be thrown a few dimes of their own money. Incidentally, the thought of feeling 'jealous' of the doddering clown Trumpf, or this thick bugger come to that, is particularly ludicrous!

Absofuckinglutely!

 

[TOP]

Absofuckinglutely!

So you wouldn't have accepted an invitation to be the fourth and play with Tiger and Jack?

 

[Sirthinksalot]

Since the working class produces everything the thieves have ever stolen to become rich, why should anyone be pleased to be thrown a few dimes of their own money. Incidentally, the thought of feeling 'jealous' of the doddering clown Trumpf, or this thick bugger come to that, is particularly ludicrous!

^^Speaking of ludicrous, this assessment of wealthy people coming from a guy who lives under a monarchy...

Also ludicrous, how a discussion of taxing the wealthy in general turned, in your TDS infected mind to being about Trump specifically.

 

[Irish Exit]

Yet the party of the poor people keep electing the likes of Dianne Feinstein and Mark Warner to the Senate....

 

[iolo]

^^Speaking of ludicrous, this assessment of wealthy people coming from a guy who lives under a monarchy...

Also ludicrous, how a discussion of taxing the wealthy in general turned, in your TDS infected mind to being about Trump specifically.

What the buggery has an ornamental Head of State (considerably better than a fat noodle constantly interfering by the way) got to do with the matter? (I am no supporter of the UK, incidentally). Trump, as you probably haven't noticed, claims to be very rich indeed. so it would be interesting to have any figures with relevance to how the incompetent clown has run down the fortune he got from his father, and how much he has had to borrow.

 

[evince]

It was, after all, the big selling point for emigration to America, and until about twenty years ago, you could make some sort of an (unconvincing) case for it, but I think large-scale brainwashing is more important. A lot of them really can't conceive of any other sort of society.

its called fox "news" claiming reality is fake and massaging their putty like racist leaning brains into self destruction

 

[evince]

What the buggery has an ornamental Head of State (considerably better than a fat noodle constantly interfering by the way) got to do with the matter? (I am no supporter of the UK, incidentally). Trump, as you probably haven't noticed, claims to be very rich indeed. so it would be interesting to have any figures with relevance to how the incompetent clown has run down the fortune he got from his father, and how much he has had to borrow.

and steal

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Nordberg,

The wealth gap is worse than during the Gilded Age. It has been a long ,long time working the system by the wealthy to set the system up to their advantage, They even control the news and tell you the illegals and poor people are taking your money. And you idiots buy that. Amazing. They have set up the tax system to their advantage. They have set the laws up to help them. The politicians work for them too. But keep watching that poor person. That poor person is cheating you. Look to the super wealthy like Trump to solve your poblems.

Yeah, the people with 'all the money,' (so to speak) aren't the ones who are responsible for setting up the system to extract 'all the money' from everybody else.

It's definitely the people who have no wealth. They are the ones who have been extracting it all away from you.

Yeah, right.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Sirthinksalot,

The so called "wealth gap" is a bunch of nonsense. If you've got enough to eat, a place to live, a vehicle, a cell phone, etc. what do you care if someone else has more?

Well, you might care if you don't own a home, have health care, paid vacations, paid sick leave, paid maternity leave, or retirement savings.

And you might want to be careful with that 'what do you care' thing. That goes both ways.

The so-called 'persecuted rich person' is a bunch of nonsense. If you've got a mansion, a fleet of collector cars, a bunch of high dollar art, a yacht, a country club membership, a few vacation homes, some politicians under your thumb, and millions more than you can spend to leave to your heirs, what do you care if the government taxes away enough to keep America great?

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello ThatOwlWoman,

That's part of it. They've also had it drilled into their heads that higher taxes on the very wealthy will have a terrible dampening effect on the economy over all, and they'll stop "creating jobs." It's a great trick that has been played on them, and they seem unable to understand that it's a totally false belief.

So true! The rich have skillfully redirected anger away from them and toward the government, the one entity that actually stands between the rich and their oppression of the poor.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello ThatOwlWoman,

That's exactly why the Civil War was framed by the South as NOT about slavery, but about "states' rights." To this day many Southerners insist that this is the truth. It's too hard to admit that they were gulled.

Yeah, the fact that if the South won they would have been able to keep slavery going never entered their minds. It was simply an 'unintended consequence' they would just have to 'learn to live with' somehow.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello iolo,

What the buggery has an ornamental Head of State (considerably better than a fat noodle constantly interfering by the way) got to do with the matter? (I am no supporter of the UK, incidentally). Trump, as you probably haven't noticed, claims to be very rich indeed. so it would be interesting to have any figures with relevance to how the incompetent clown has run down the fortune he got from his father, and how much he has had to borrow.

I sometimes wonder if we havn't made a mistake by NOT having 'an ornamental Head of State.' I could not for the life of me figure out what in the world purpose the English Monarchy served for the longest time. But lately I've begun to observe that the English are simply crazy about the Queen. She serves as a noble figure, a sort of moral leader. This lifts the spirits of the people, gives them an example to be proud of. We haven't got anything like that in the USA. Until now we at least TRIED to elect leaders we could look up to, but now we see that won't always happen. We could elect a scoundrel. The subsequent decline of manners and respect has been observed and noted.

 

[Sirthinksalot]

Hi Politalker,

Hello Sirthinksalot,



Well, you might care if you don't own a home, have health care, paid vacations, paid sick leave, paid maternity leave, or retirement savings.

And you might want to be careful with that 'what do you care' thing. That goes both ways.

The so-called 'persecuted rich person' is a bunch of nonsense. If you've got a mansion, a fleet of collector cars, a bunch of high dollar art, a yacht, a country club membership, a few vacation homes, some politicians under your thumb, and millions more than you can spend to leave to your heirs, what do you care if the government taxes away enough to keep America great?

My 2 cents is:
People who don't own a home, have health care, paid vacations etc should focus on acquiring those things, not worrying that other people have more than they do.

The problem with raising taxes is, it's never enough for the crowd who thinks they're entitled to other people's wealth. I have no problem with paying taxes or our current progressive system. However, there's always "more good to be done" and I believe in a limited role for government. We have a spending problem, not a revenue problem.

 

[iolo]

Hello iolo,



I sometimes wonder if we havn't made a mistake by NOT having 'an ornamental Head of State.' I could not for the life of me figure out what in the world purpose the English Monarchy served for the longest time. But lately I've begun to observe that the English are simply crazy about the Queen. She serves as a noble figure, a sort of moral leader. This lifts the spirits of the people, gives them an example to be proud of. We haven't got anything like that in the USA. Until now we at least TRIED to elect leaders we could look up to, but now we see that won't always happen. We could elect a scoundrel. The subsequent decline of manners and respect has been observed and noted.

I don't think the majority, even of the English, are 'crazy' about the Queen - a lot depends on the individual, and things will take a very swift dip if Carlo ever takes over from his Mother - but she knows how to keep her mouth shut and do her duty, though I think you'd have to take the Church very seriously to tolerate the boredom. Still, I agree with what you say.