Why do we even trade with them?

Let me get this straight - we have to boldly stand up for freedom & democracy, except when it costs us a few bucks?

That's not what I said at all. Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes:

Pleaseeee read the part about how I can agree with you pinheads 100% about the human rights abuse in China! Let me clarify... I DO AGREE WITH YOU regarding the human rights abuses, and we SHOULD speak out, and demand our government use whatever leverage it can. I am NOT opposed to this, I support this 100% Have I made that point clear enough for you to understand?

The question was, why do we even trade with them... I explained why! I even gave you a very good analogy, which a 3rd grader could understand! I did everything except post a coloring book! Should I get to work on that, or do you think you are getting it yet? We can't just stop trading with China! That isn't going to happen in the real world! It's just not! You can wish for it... you can harp about it.... you can make all kinds of emotive posts on an insignificant message board.... but that is not something that is likely to happen anytime in the near future. You see... it doesn't really matter how I feel about it... my feelings, and your feelings.... they don't matter here! What matters is reality, and what is going to happen in the real world.
 
exactly dixie, it would be a crime to treat americans like that, but what the heck just a few China men without any rights anyways. Tool
 
That's not what I said at all. Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes:

Pleaseeee read the part about how I can agree with you pinheads 100% about the human rights abuse in China! Let me clarify... I DO AGREE WITH YOU regarding the human rights abuses, and we SHOULD speak out, and demand our government use whatever leverage it can. I am NOT opposed to this, I support this 100% Have I made that point clear enough for you to understand?

The question was, why do we even trade with them... I explained why! I even gave you a very good analogy, which a 3rd grader could understand! I did everything except post a coloring book! Should I get to work on that, or do you think you are getting it yet? We can't just stop trading with China! That isn't going to happen in the real world! It's just not! You can wish for it... you can harp about it.... you can make all kinds of emotive posts on an insignificant message board.... but that is not something that is likely to happen anytime in the near future. You see... it doesn't really matter how I feel about it... my feelings, and your feelings.... they don't matter here! What matters is reality, and what is going to happen in the real world.

What a hypocrite.

All of this flowery language yesterday - endless posts about how America stands for something, and it's our responsiblity to stand up for freedom...until it costs us anything, of course...
 
exactly dixie, it would be a crime to treat americans like that, but what the heck just a few China men without any rights anyways. Tool

What a hypocrite.

All of this flowery language yesterday - endless posts about how America stands for something, and it's our responsiblity to stand up for freedom...until it costs us anything, of course...

Now, now... read the post again slowly, and let it sink into your pinhead... I DO AGREE WITH YOU regarding the human rights abuses, and we SHOULD speak out, and demand our government use whatever leverage it can. I am NOT opposed to this, I support this 100%

...let's try it again...

I DO AGREE WITH YOU regarding the human rights abuses, and we SHOULD speak out, and demand our government use whatever leverage it can. I am NOT opposed to this, I support this 100%

IF you still have trouble understanding that, repeat this exercise again, until you do comprehend it. I know it's difficult to hear me agreeing with you on something, believe me, it is hard for me to comprehend myself sometimes, but try really hard to get this into your pinheads, okay?

The question was, WHY DO WE TRADE?, and that was explained. I don't take a position of agreement or disagreement, I simply gave the explanation.... the answer to the question. You have unsuccessfully attempted to turn this into a two-sided debate about human rights in China, and it never has been about that, so I won't allow you to make it about that.
 
Now, now... read the post again slowly, and let it sink into your pinhead... I DO AGREE WITH YOU regarding the human rights abuses, and we SHOULD speak out, and demand our government use whatever leverage it can. I am NOT opposed to this, I support this 100%

...let's try it again...

I DO AGREE WITH YOU regarding the human rights abuses, and we SHOULD speak out, and demand our government use whatever leverage it can. I am NOT opposed to this, I support this 100%

IF you still have trouble understanding that, repeat this exercise again, until you do comprehend it. I know it's difficult to hear me agreeing with you on something, believe me, it is hard for me to comprehend myself sometimes, but try really hard to get this into your pinheads, okay?

The question was, WHY DO WE TRADE?, and that was explained. I don't take a position of agreement or disagreement, I simply gave the explanation.... the answer to the question. You have unsuccessfully attempted to turn this into a two-sided debate about human rights in China, and it never has been about that, so I won't allow you to make it about that.

Sorry; it is about that. Words are empty without some kind of action.

Your "demands" on Iran ring very hollow now. You're the message board equivalent of an empty suit. Talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. No integrity or real strength of conviction.
 
We trade with them because they are bankrolling our out of control debt. Just how the fuck do you think our government can spend trillions of dollars it doesn't have? The answer is obvious if you look up how much US debt the Chinese currently hold. So, if you and your pinhead friends have several trillion dollars laying around so we can pay off what we owe the Chinese, and if you are willing to put a hold on all of these liberal initiatives of 'entitlement' you have dreamed up, then perhaps we could condemn the Chinese and stop doing business with them. As it stands, they own our ass.

All this is just meaningless paper. Bascially. they're foolish if they think they're ever getting paid. I will laugh on the day we tell them to fuck off.

I can't wait.
 
Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo placed under arrest

BEIJING – A prominent Chinese dissident who called for political reform has been arrested for allegedly trying to overthrow the country's socialist system, his wife said Wednesday, marking the highest-profile activist arrest since before last year's Olympics.

Liu Xiaobo had already been held at a secret location for more than six months without being charged or formally arrested. He was taken into police custody on Dec. 8, a day before a manifesto he co-authored was released urging sweeping changes to China's rigid political system.

Police delivered a written notice to Liu's wife, Liu Xia, Wednesday morning informing her that her husband was formally arrested Tuesday on suspicion of "inciting to subvert state power" and transferred to a Beijing city detention center. The next step would be indictment, according to Liu's lawyer.

The charge carries a maximum sentence of 15 years in jail.

"I am so worried about him," Liu Xia said, fighting back tears. "I don't know how many more years he will be imprisoned now."

Liu Xia last saw her husband March 20 during a supervised visit where she noted that he looked thin and pale but otherwise seemed well. She said she doesn't know why her husband is considered such a threat to the ruling Communist Party.

"All he has is a pen and some paper," she said in a Beijing courtyard outside Liu's lawyer's office. "Here in China, he's not been able to express his opinions or have the freedom to publish. He has nothing, none of the basic rights or guarantees of a citizen. I don't understand how they could deprive a person to such an extent."

Liu's detention marks the most high-profile arrest of a Chinese dissident since human rights activist Hu Jia was detained last year ahead of the Beijing Olympics. Hu was sentenced to 3 1/2 years in prison for sedition last April.

China has always reacted sharply to any challenges to its one-party system, but it is also cracking down on any dissent ahead of a gala celebrating the communist regime's 60th anniversary on Oct. 1.

Liu, 53, is a former university professor who spent 20 months in jail for joining the 1989 student-led protests in Tiananmen Square.

In his writings, most published only on the Internet, Liu has called for civil rights and political reform, making him subject to routine harassment by authorities.

He was among more than 300 lawyers, writers, scholars and artists who signed "Charter 08" in December calling for a new constitution guaranteeing human rights, election of public officials, freedom of religion and expression, and an end to the Communist Party's hold over the military, courts and government.

It also calls for the abolition of the criminal code that allows people to be imprisoned for "incitement to subvert state power."

Police detained Liu a day ahead of the charter's release, possibly because they considered him a key organizer, in addition to his role in drafting and revising the document, his lawyer Mo Shaoping has said.

Mo said Wednesday that Liu Xia was advised by police to find a new lawyer for her husband because Mo was among the charter signatories.

China's official Xinhua News Agency reported Wednesday that Liu had been engaged in "agitation activities, such as spreading of rumors and defaming of the government, aimed at subversion of the state and overthrowing the socialism system in recent years." It cited no specific examples and said that Liu allegedly confessed while in police custody.

Liu Xia and Mo both said they did not believe Liu had confessed to the charge. They said he more likely acknowledged authoring essays that the prosecution plans to use as evidence.

The singling out of Liu for prosecution seems to be an effort to warn others involved in the charter. Other signatories have been called in for talks with police but not arrested. A Peking University law professor, He Weifang, was reassigned to a post in the far western Xinjiang region after signing the document in an apparent rebuke.

Earlier this month, the leader of the U.S. House of Representatives, Democrat Nancy Pelosi, called for Liu's "immediate and unconditional release." She also wrote a letter to Chinese President Hu Jintao last month asking that Liu and other Chinese "prisoners of conscience" be released.

Liu had been held in an unknown location since December. The San Francisco-based Dui Hua Foundation said earlier this month he was being kept at a hotel on the outskirts of Beijing — a claim that could not be verified.

Chinese law limits such "house arrest" to six months and Mo demanded on June 8 that Liu be released immediately, saying that it was illegal to hold him any longer.

Why do we trade with Saudi Arabia?

Human Rights in Saudi Arabia: A Deafening Silence
http://www.hrw.org/legacy/backgrounder/mena/saudi/

Yiu've got 40% invested in oil .. what comes first? Your stock options or your selected human rights ire?
 
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Protectionism is what we need to get our people employed again.

No other country is allowing the idiotic levels of open market-ness that we are.

Our economic/business leadership has all gone retarded.
 
We also trade with Iran.

Sorry; it is about that. Words are empty without some kind of action.

Your "demands" on Iran ring very hollow now. You're the message board equivalent of an empty suit. Talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. No integrity or real strength of conviction.

It is the same kind of human rights issue, I agree... but...

Iran is a different matter altogether. We aren't obligated by our debt to Iran like we are China. In fact, Iran probably owes us a little. We have no reason to continue trade with Iran, what little we have, because we have no obligation of debt to them. The same can be said for Saudi Arabia, except in their case, they have the oil we need to keep our society moving. Unless you want to live in pre-automotive times, or drill for domestic sources to replace their oil, there isn't a practical solution. Because America has become fat and lazy in manufacturing and production, we depend on trade with other countries, like 'em or not... that is just how it works in the real world.

All this is just meaningless paper. Bascially. they're foolish if they think they're ever getting paid. I will laugh on the day we tell them to fuck off.

I can't wait.

Oh, they will get paid, as long as US Treasury Bonds are worth anything. If they become meaningless paper, we aren't going to be concerned about human rights abuse in China, I assure you of that. Oh, I will laugh on that day too.... because if the whole world has gone insane, I may as well join the crazies... my laugh will be one of those hideous creepy insane man laughs... bwhahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
 
Sorry; it is about that. Words are empty without some kind of action.

Your "demands" on Iran ring very hollow now. You're the message board equivalent of an empty suit. Talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. No integrity or real strength of conviction.

and yet you have offered zero...all you do is bitch about dixie...you don't even debate him or her on the points, you just bitch about him....

what exactly do you propose? we just stop all trade with china? let's hear it, wouldn't want you to be an empty suit for of nothing but wine
 
and yet you have offered zero...all you do is bitch about dixie...you don't even debate him or her on the points, you just bitch about him....

what exactly do you propose? we just stop all trade with china? let's hear it, wouldn't want you to be an empty suit for of nothing but wine

Dixie...a fan!
 
Nothing but ad hominems. You lose.

are you really this stupid or are you just playing...i gave you chance to give something to the debate and you ad hom, essentially ragging on my post as fan worship...you don't even see the idiocy of saying i lose, this means that you lost first moron...

no, you aren't playing
 
obviously still nothing to add to the debate, so you throw meadowmuffins at the board

its not fair or fun to continually pwn idiots, so i'll let dunceler be....
 
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