Why Does Duke Have So Few Low-Income Students?

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Compared with other universities, Duke has not enrolled many low-income students. A recent academic study of 12 elite colleges — the eight in the Ivy League, as well as Duke, Stanford, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the University of Chicago — found that Duke gave some of the largest advantages in the admission process to students from families making at least $250,000 a year.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/09/07/magazine/duke-economic-diversity.html
 
"By comparison, the Pell shares at Harvard, Yale, Princeton, M.I.T. and Columbia have each recently hovered around 20 percent. Federal data suggests that Duke also has fewer middle-income students, coming from families that earn too much to qualify for Pell Grants but still less than $100,000 a year. The difference between Duke and its peers amounts to several hundred lower- and middle-income students who have been missing from its campus every year.
 
"Crucially, class-based affirmative action remains legal. It is also popular with the American public, polls show. Race-based affirmative action is not. When it has appeared on the ballot in state referendums, it has lost almost every time over the past 30 years — most recently in 2020 in deep-blue California, by almost 15 percentage points. In our polarized country, increasing the economic diversity of elite colleges, by contrast, is a rare idea on which the political left, center and right agree.
 
Expensive private schools are for people who can afford them...period.

What's really needed is better public university access
for those who actually did the high school work to deserve getting into them.
People who did the work should be able to go to college.

Leave the private schools alone, however.
Contributors support them to remain what they were meant to be--
havens for the elite, not the masses.

The average public course golfer can't join Augusta National, either.
I suppose that's some sort of major injustice as well.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Expensive private schools are for people who can afford them...period.
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Actually most of those expensive private schools have endowments that are ginormous and they use a small bit of that as well as other grant programs to ensure that there is at least the appearance of allowing those less fortunate in.

What's really needed is better public university access
for those who actually did the high school work to deserve getting into them.
People who did the work should be able to go to college.
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Agreed. This would be a great argument for free university education (to the Bachelors)

Leave the private schools alone, however.
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They need the "social capital" of not being 100% exclusive.
 
Cupressus said:
Actually most of those expensive private schools have endowments that are ginormous and they use a small bit of that as well as other grant programs to ensure that there is at least the appearance of allowing those less fortunate in.

Agreed. This would be a great argument for free university education (to the Bachelors)

They need the "social capital" of not being 100% exclusive.
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These are all valid points, I readily agree,

but as we know, I tend to be the least egalitarian socialist on the board!
 
BidenPresident said:
Compared with other universities, Duke has not enrolled many low-income students. A recent academic study of 12 elite colleges — the eight in the Ivy League, as well as Duke, Stanford, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the University of Chicago — found that Duke gave some of the largest advantages in the admission process to students from families making at least $250,000 a year.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/09/07/magazine/duke-economic-diversity.html
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Because they have intellectual standards and aren't liberal arts colleges...? :thinking:
 
BidenPresident said:
"By comparison, the Pell shares at Harvard, Yale, Princeton, M.I.T. and Columbia have each recently hovered around 20 percent. Federal data suggests that Duke also has fewer middle-income students, coming from families that earn too much to qualify for Pell Grants but still less than $100,000 a year. The difference between Duke and its peers amounts to several hundred lower- and middle-income students who have been missing from its campus every year.
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So? Equality of opportunity is fine, equality of outcomes is not.
 
BidenPresident said:
No idea what you said. And don't bother saying it is over my head.
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Of course...

It's not like a liar... err, lawyer, can understand complex concepts.

Equality of opportunity is you, me, everyone has the opportunity to do something like apply to Duke to get an education. It doesn't mean we get accepted or that we are capable of doing the coursework. For that, we have to meet the school's standards.

Equality of outcome means that Duke has to accept X number of various ethnicities, genders, etc., as defined by the radical Left and then lower their standards to ensure that they graduate. The outcomes must be equal.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Of course...

It's not like a liar... err, lawyer, can understand complex concepts.

Equality of opportunity is you, me, everyone has the opportunity to do something like apply to Duke to get an education. It doesn't mean we get accepted or that we are capable of doing the coursework. For that, we have to meet the school's standards.

Equality of outcome means that Duke has to accept X number of various ethnicities, genders, etc., as defined by the radical Left and then lower their standards to ensure that they graduate. The outcomes must be equal.
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Obviously you did not read my post.
This is about economic class.
 
BidenPresident said:
Obviously you did not read my post.
This is about economic class.
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No, it's about you whining that there isn't equality of outcomes. You are complaining that not enough of X economic class are going to Duke and that Duke should take more of X economic class in as students. That's an equality of outcome thing.

https://edeq.stanford.edu/sections/section-1-equality-opportunity-and-alternatives/equality-outcome

What does it mean for a society to be equal?
Is it all starting from the same point?
Is it all finishing at the same point?
Is it enough to give everyone a fair shot and may the best person win?
Or should we be making sure everyone gets their slice of the pie?
This is, in a nutshell, the essence of the opportunity vs outcome debate - two ways of thinking about equality pitted against each other.
https://www.beapplied.com/post/the-truth-about-equality-of-opportunity-vs-equality-of-outcome

Then the lunatics on the Left weigh in, like you have:

The case against equality of opportunity
It's an incoherent, impossible ideal. And if we're really going to fight inequality, it needs to be abandoned.
https://www.vox.com/2015/9/21/9334215/equality-of-opportunity
 
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