USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
See; there you go and try to get him to do something he thinks is a reward.
You're never going to get rid of him that way.
Why does Libby, Montana, get Medicare for All - everyone else stuck with Obamacare
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See; there you go and try to get him to do something he thinks is a reward.
You're never going to get rid of him that way.
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Howard thinks that because he's got a little black in him, that's he's entitled; but he doesn't realize that the black he's got in him isn't little, he's just short.
BUT, BOY HOWDEY are you lucky you're not a woman; because he would slap you so hard.
Because that's how he rolls.
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DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Now this is just disturbing.
canceled.2021.1
#AMERICAISDEAD
Howard thinks that because he's got a little black in him, that's he's entitled; but he doesn't realize that the black he's got in him isn't little, he's just short.
BUT, BOY HOWDEY are you lucky you're not a woman; because he would slap you so hard.
Because that's how he rolls.
In a battle of wits, BAC would wipe the floor with Howard. Have you noticed that Howard is conspicuously absent from the board since BAC called his sorry ass out? It is freaking hilarious. BAC has reduced Howard to Topspin status running around groaning posts.
Howard sure talks a tough game, but he just wilted like the delicate flower he is
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
In a battle of wits, BAC would wipe the floor with Howard. Have you noticed that Howard is conspicuously absent from the board since BAC called his sorry ass out? It is freaking hilarious. BAC has reduced Howard to Topspin status running around groaning posts.
Howard sure talks a tough game, but he just wilted like the delicate flower he is
I don't always agree with BAC's summations; but he biatch slapped Howard into submission, real fast.
But then; Howard's always been kind of sensative, like that.
Watch: because Poet will end up on 1/2 of a forced ignore, so Howard can read Poet's posts and comment; but Poet will be prohibited from Howards.
canceled.2021.1
#AMERICAISDEAD
I don't always agree with BAC's summations; but he biatch slapped Howard into submission, real fast.
But then; Howard's always been kind of sensative, like that.
Watch: because Poet will end up on 1/2 of a forced ignore, so Howard can read Poet's posts and comment; but Poet will be prohibited from Howards.
Yeah, Howard is busy icing down his cheek to make the swelling go down.
I don't follow the Poet comment.
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Canceled
Put a pencil dick in Howey's ear and it would go clean through to the other side!!
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I don't always agree with BAC's summations; but he biatch slapped Howard into submission, real fast.
But then; Howard's always been kind of sensative, like that.
Watch: because Poet will end up on 1/2 of a forced ignore, so Howard can read Poet's posts and comment; but Poet will be prohibited from Howards.
I think Poet's head must be spinning. BAC is black whilst Howie is gay, so who does a black gay like him support? As for Darla, her head is doing 360s like Linda Blair in the Exorcist!!
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PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
If I read this correctly they do have to have an asbestos related disease before they qualify.......is that correct?.......
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
I think they just have to live in Libby, Montana .. it's Medicare for All.
One Montana County's Medicare-for-All Coverage
Back when he presided over the Senate's health care reform debate, Max Baucus, chairman of the all-powerful Senate Finance Committee, had said everything was on the table — except for single-payer universal health care. When doctors, nurses, and others rose in his hearing to insist that single payer be included in the debate, the Montana Democrat had them arrested. As more stood up, Baucus could be heard on his open microphone saying, "We need more police."
Yet when Baucus needed a solution to a catastrophic health disaster in Libby, Montana and surrounding Lincoln County, he turned to the nation's single-payer healthcare system, Medicare, to solve the problem.
You see, a vermiculite mine had spread deadly airborne asbestos that killed hundreds and sickened thousands in Libby and northwest Montana. W.R. Grace & Co., which owned the mine, denied its connection to the outbreaks of mesothelioma and asbestosis and dodged responsibility for this disaster. The federal government got stuck with most of the tab for the cleanup costs, and the EPA has issued a first-of-its-kind order declaring Lincoln County a public health disaster.
When all lawsuits and legal avenues failed, Baucus turned to Medicare.
The single-payer plan that Baucus kept off the table in 2009 is now very much on the table in Libby. It turns out that Baucus quietly inserted a section into the Affordable Care Act that covers the suffering people of Libby, Montana. Medicare covers the whole community, not just the former miners.
Residents of Libby don't have to be 65 years old or more. They don't have to wait until 2014 for the state exchanges. There's no 10-year roll out for them — it's immediate. They don't have to purchase a plan — this isn't a buy-in to Medicare. It's free. They don't have to be disabled for two years before they apply. They don't have to go without care for three years until Medicaid expands. They don't have to meet income tests. They don't have to apply for a subsidy or pay a fine for failure to buy insurance. They don't have to hope that the market will make a plan affordable or hide their pre-existing conditions. They don't have to find a job that provides coverage.
Baucus simply inserted a clause into the health care reform law to make special arrangements for them in Medicare.
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Nothing in Obama's health care law will mitigate the skyrocketing costs. More than half of us, including tens of millions of insured Americans, now go without necessary care. As Baucus said of Medicare, "We need this mechanism to help people when they need it most." We all need it now.
So as the Ryan Republicans try to destroy Medicare and far too many Democrats use the deficit excuse to suggest other ways to tear the social safety net apart, Libby offers a prescription to clean up the whole mess. Only single-payer universal health care — improved Medicare for all — can save and protect Medicare, rein in skyrocketing health care costs, and give us universal coverage.
Medicare was implemented within less than a year of its 1965 passage. When Congress passes a national single-payer bill, we can all be enrolled in the twinkling of an eye.
https://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/06/28-1
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Obamacare ‘rate shock’ hits Ohio with 88 percent insurance hikes
June 11, 2013
The Ohio Department of Insurance predicts premiums in 2014 will rise by 88 percent, a direct result of President Obama’s Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
The average cost of insurance premiums will stand about $420, “representing an increase of 88 percent” compared to 2013, the department reported, Forbes said
State officials aren’t surprised. They’ve cautioned about the “rate shock” since the early days of Obamacare, Forbes reported.
“We have warned of these increases,” said Lt. Gov. Mary Taylor, in a statement reported by Forbes. “Consumers will have fewer choices and pay much higher premiums for their health insurance starting in 2014.”
Rates in August 2011 for Ohio residents were projected to increase between 55 percent and 85 percent. By March of 2013, those cost hikes had whittled to an 81 percent prediction.
“A total of 14 companies proposed rates for 214 plans to the Department [of Insurance] Projected costs from the companies for providing covered for the required — by Obamacare — essential health benefits ranged from $282.51 to $577.40 for individual health insurance plans,” Ms. Taylor’s statement read, Forbes reported.
The Department of Insurance still has to approve the proposed rate hike, Forbes said.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-hits-ohio-88-percent-insuranc/#ixzz2W60DAMBf
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Kaiser's Obamacare rates surprise analysts
Kaiser Permanente has offered some of the highest rates in the California health exchanges next year. It denies that it is doing so to avoid treating many of the sickest newly insured patients.
June 12, 2013
In California's new state-run health insurance market, Kaiser Permanente will cost you.
The healthcare giant has the highest rates in Southern California and some other areas of the state, surpassing rivals such as Anthem Blue Cross and other smaller competitors. The relatively high premiums from such a strong supporter of the federal healthcare law surprised industry analysts, and it has sparked considerable debate about the company's motives.
Some experts say Kaiser intentionally bid high to avoid drawing too many customers next year who are sick or who have been uninsured for years and may be costlier to treat. Others suspect Kaiser was worried that lower premiums would bring an influx of newly insured patients that could overwhelm its in-house roster of doctors and hospitals.
Making health insurance affordable is a crucial factor in the expansion of coverage to an estimated 5 million Californians — many of them lower-income and the uninsured — who will be eligible for a state-run exchange next year. Price will be paramount to many consumers, even for those who receive federal subsidies to help lower their costs.
more
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-kaiser-health-rates-20130613,0,7939146.story
June 11, 2013
The Ohio Department of Insurance predicts premiums in 2014 will rise by 88 percent, a direct result of President Obama’s Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
The average cost of insurance premiums will stand about $420, “representing an increase of 88 percent” compared to 2013, the department reported, Forbes said
State officials aren’t surprised. They’ve cautioned about the “rate shock” since the early days of Obamacare, Forbes reported.
“We have warned of these increases,” said Lt. Gov. Mary Taylor, in a statement reported by Forbes. “Consumers will have fewer choices and pay much higher premiums for their health insurance starting in 2014.”
Rates in August 2011 for Ohio residents were projected to increase between 55 percent and 85 percent. By March of 2013, those cost hikes had whittled to an 81 percent prediction.
“A total of 14 companies proposed rates for 214 plans to the Department [of Insurance] Projected costs from the companies for providing covered for the required — by Obamacare — essential health benefits ranged from $282.51 to $577.40 for individual health insurance plans,” Ms. Taylor’s statement read, Forbes reported.
The Department of Insurance still has to approve the proposed rate hike, Forbes said.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-hits-ohio-88-percent-insuranc/#ixzz2W60DAMBf
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Kaiser's Obamacare rates surprise analysts
Kaiser Permanente has offered some of the highest rates in the California health exchanges next year. It denies that it is doing so to avoid treating many of the sickest newly insured patients.
June 12, 2013
In California's new state-run health insurance market, Kaiser Permanente will cost you.
The healthcare giant has the highest rates in Southern California and some other areas of the state, surpassing rivals such as Anthem Blue Cross and other smaller competitors. The relatively high premiums from such a strong supporter of the federal healthcare law surprised industry analysts, and it has sparked considerable debate about the company's motives.
Some experts say Kaiser intentionally bid high to avoid drawing too many customers next year who are sick or who have been uninsured for years and may be costlier to treat. Others suspect Kaiser was worried that lower premiums would bring an influx of newly insured patients that could overwhelm its in-house roster of doctors and hospitals.
Making health insurance affordable is a crucial factor in the expansion of coverage to an estimated 5 million Californians — many of them lower-income and the uninsured — who will be eligible for a state-run exchange next year. Price will be paramount to many consumers, even for those who receive federal subsidies to help lower their costs.
more
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-kaiser-health-rates-20130613,0,7939146.story
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Obamacare? We were just leaving …
Dozens of lawmakers and aides are so afraid that their health insurance premiums will skyrocket next year thanks to Obamacare that they are thinking about retiring early or just quitting.
The fear: Government-subsidized premiums will disappear at the end of the year under a provision in the health care law that nudges aides and lawmakers onto the government health care exchanges, which could make their benefits exorbitantly expensive.
Democratic and Republican leaders are taking the issue seriously, but first they need more specifics from the Office of Personnel Management on how the new rule should take effect — a decision that Capitol Hill sources expect by fall, at the latest. The administration has clammed up in advance of a ruling, sources on both sides of the aisle said.
If the issue isn’t resolved, and massive numbers of lawmakers and aides bolt, many on Capitol Hill fear it could lead to a brain drain just as Congress tackles a slew of weighty issues — like fights over the Tax Code and immigration reform.
The problem is far more acute in the House, where lawmakers and aides are generally younger and less wealthy. Sources said several aides have already given lawmakers notice that they’ll be leaving over concerns about Obamacare. Republican and Democratic lawmakers said the chatter about retiring now, to remain on the current health care plan, is constant.
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Lawmakers and aides on both sides of the aisle are acutely aware of the problems with the provision. Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) have discussed fixes to the provision. Boehner, according to House GOP sources, believes that Reid must take the lead on crafting a solution. Since Republicans opposed the bill, Boehner does not feel responsible to lead the effort to make changes.
The Affordable Care Act — signed into law in 2010 — contained a provision known as the Grassley Amendment, which said the government can only offer members of Congress and their staff plans that are “created” in the bill or “offered through an exchange” — unless the bill is amended.
House Democratic leadership says the issue must be resolved
“The leadership has assured members that fixing this issue is a top priority,” said one Democratic leadership aide. “This issue must be fixed by administrative action in order that the flawed Grassley Amendment’s spirit is honored and all staff and members are treated the same.”
It could be politically difficult to change this provision. The provision was put in the bill in the first place on the theory that if Congress was going to make the country live under the provisions of Obamacare, the members and staff should have to as well.
The uncertainty has created a growing furor on Capitol Hill with aides young and old worried about skyrocketing health care premiums cutting deeply into their already small paychecks. Some longtime aides and members of Congress, who previously had government subsidized health care for life, are concerned that their premiums will now come out of their pension.
If their fears are borne out, the results could be twofold. Some junior staff will head for the private sector early while more seasoned aides and lawmakers could leave before the end of the year so they can continue under the old plan.
more
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/obamacare-lawmakers-health-insurance-92691.html#ixzz2W62huvBA
Dozens of lawmakers and aides are so afraid that their health insurance premiums will skyrocket next year thanks to Obamacare that they are thinking about retiring early or just quitting.
The fear: Government-subsidized premiums will disappear at the end of the year under a provision in the health care law that nudges aides and lawmakers onto the government health care exchanges, which could make their benefits exorbitantly expensive.
Democratic and Republican leaders are taking the issue seriously, but first they need more specifics from the Office of Personnel Management on how the new rule should take effect — a decision that Capitol Hill sources expect by fall, at the latest. The administration has clammed up in advance of a ruling, sources on both sides of the aisle said.
If the issue isn’t resolved, and massive numbers of lawmakers and aides bolt, many on Capitol Hill fear it could lead to a brain drain just as Congress tackles a slew of weighty issues — like fights over the Tax Code and immigration reform.
The problem is far more acute in the House, where lawmakers and aides are generally younger and less wealthy. Sources said several aides have already given lawmakers notice that they’ll be leaving over concerns about Obamacare. Republican and Democratic lawmakers said the chatter about retiring now, to remain on the current health care plan, is constant.
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Lawmakers and aides on both sides of the aisle are acutely aware of the problems with the provision. Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) have discussed fixes to the provision. Boehner, according to House GOP sources, believes that Reid must take the lead on crafting a solution. Since Republicans opposed the bill, Boehner does not feel responsible to lead the effort to make changes.
The Affordable Care Act — signed into law in 2010 — contained a provision known as the Grassley Amendment, which said the government can only offer members of Congress and their staff plans that are “created” in the bill or “offered through an exchange” — unless the bill is amended.
House Democratic leadership says the issue must be resolved
“The leadership has assured members that fixing this issue is a top priority,” said one Democratic leadership aide. “This issue must be fixed by administrative action in order that the flawed Grassley Amendment’s spirit is honored and all staff and members are treated the same.”
It could be politically difficult to change this provision. The provision was put in the bill in the first place on the theory that if Congress was going to make the country live under the provisions of Obamacare, the members and staff should have to as well.
The uncertainty has created a growing furor on Capitol Hill with aides young and old worried about skyrocketing health care premiums cutting deeply into their already small paychecks. Some longtime aides and members of Congress, who previously had government subsidized health care for life, are concerned that their premiums will now come out of their pension.
If their fears are borne out, the results could be twofold. Some junior staff will head for the private sector early while more seasoned aides and lawmakers could leave before the end of the year so they can continue under the old plan.
more
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/obamacare-lawmakers-health-insurance-92691.html#ixzz2W62huvBA
Billy the Great Khan
Uwaa OmO
So this new plan is pushing Congressmen out of office and will get even more voted out? Hmmm not such a bad deal after all. I mean, I'm still not paying a single cent into it, but if it gets us a new Congress it can't be THAT bad.
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Darla
Well BAC, I have to say it's high time congresspeople were subjected to the same shit they subject us to, and further:
"many on Capitol Hill fear it could lead to a brain drain just as Congress tackles a slew of weighty issues "
I ain't too worried! This brings to mind nothing more than a few blowhards here who consider themselves big "brains" and would no doubt consider their own loss to be of stunning detriment to any project. However, opinions vary!
"many on Capitol Hill fear it could lead to a brain drain just as Congress tackles a slew of weighty issues "
I ain't too worried! This brings to mind nothing more than a few blowhards here who consider themselves big "brains" and would no doubt consider their own loss to be of stunning detriment to any project. However, opinions vary!
tekkychick
New member
Gotta agree; if this is all it takes to make them decide on another career, it's probably best they leave.
On the other hand, the article is a lot of "what ifs" and may just be part of the doom&gloom parade around the ACA.
On the other hand, the article is a lot of "what ifs" and may just be part of the doom&gloom parade around the ACA.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
I completely agree with that .. but I'm betting that they will figure out how to get themselves better coverage than Obamacare.
My point in posting was to show that even they don't want Obamacare.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Thanks