Why homosexuality should be banned

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Southern Man said:
I prefer the traditional definition, refined over the centuries, rather than your arbitrary one.
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Over the centuries it has been changed many times. These changes reflect the changes in society. This is the next change. It does not take anything away from marriage. It broadens it.

No reason to be afraid of change.
 
DonQuixote said:
yurt, do not try to bend pmp, he provides necessary comic relief and is an easy target - his homophobic views and lack of rigor in debate shows just how weak he is
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Actually, PMP has provided one of the better debates on these forums. He takes little pokes every now and then, and I think he is wrong on the issue. But he has given reasonable arguments in the debate and refrained from being overly condescending.

I think he is wrong, but I don't dislike his arguments.
 
WinterBorn said:
Over the centuries it has been changed many times. These changes reflect the changes in society. This is the next change. It does not take anything away from marriage. It broadens it.

No reason to be afraid of change.
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That's the difference between liberals and conservatives. I encourage refinement, while you want change. When has our Judea-Christian society ever accepted queer marriage into its definition of marriage? When has any major society with a proven record of success?
 
Yurt said:
then what tradition are you speaking of?

are you saying tradition trumps law? it was the tradition to not allow whites and blacks to marry, for centuries.....why is it you are ok felling that tradition but not this one?
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Laws are based on traditions.
 
Southern Man said:
That's the difference between liberals and conservatives. I encourage refinement, while you want change. When has our Judea-Christian society ever accepted queer marriage into its definition of marriage? When has any major society with a proven record of success?
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I am working for refinement too. I am not taking away from marriage in general, I am broadening it.

There is no reason to avoid all change just because you cannot point to some place in the past. There are plenty of changes that are not based on historical precedents.
 
WinterBorn said:
I am working for refinement too. I am not taking away from marriage in general, I am broadening it.

There is no reason to avoid all change just because you cannot point to some place in the past. There are plenty of changes that are not based on historical precedents.
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Wrong. The Greeks tried it and rejected it.
 
Southern Man said:
Sound logic says that a society based on a genetic dead-end won't survive.
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Unless marriage is strictly for reproduction, this doesn't mean squat.

And no one is saying we are going to base society on it. That is pure BS.
 
Society is based on the nuclear family. Traditional marriage honors that, and rightly so. Denigrate marriage, and you denigrate the nuclear family.
 
Southern Man said:
Society is based on the nuclear family. Traditional marriage honors that, and rightly so. Denigrate marriage, and you denigrate the nuclear family.
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Except this would not denigrate marriage. It will add another dimension to it, but will not effect traditional marriages except that you will know gays are allowed to marry. How will knowing that effect you?
 
Southern Man said:
Sound logic says that a society based on a genetic dead-end won't survive.
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Who has suggested basing our society on homosexual marriage? That just makes it easy to mock you, doesn't progress the conversation and becomes a low standard for the conversation.

Hyperbole much?
 
WinterBorn said:
Except this would not denigrate marriage. It will add another dimension to it, but will not effect traditional marriages except that you will know gays are allowed to marry. How will knowing that effect you?
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How do you know it will have no effect? I suggest that you study this in great depth before forcing such a dramatic change on an important institution. You've waited 6000 years, why can't you wait a few more decades?
 
Southern Man said:
The ancient Greeks normalized queer unions, eventually finding it detrimental to their society.
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Our society has already normalized gay relationships. They are out of the closet and living comfortably (except for the occasional redneck who decide to try and kick their ass and get his own kicked instead).

No one can ever tell me exactly how it will be detrimental to our society, except for some vague references to tradition and morality.

The immoral straight marriages are ignored though.
 
Damocles said:
Who has suggested basing our society on homosexual marriage? That just makes it easy to mock you, doesn't progress the conversation and becomes a low standard for the conversation.

Hyperbole much?
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No reason to get all hissy, as I predicted many here would.
 
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