Why Iran must go down...........!

What I want to know BB is where the fuck were you when the US supported the Samoza government in Nicaragua and people were disappeared and tortured there? Where the fuck were you when the US supported the Pinochet government that tortured and disappeared its citizens by the thousands. Shit Pinochet and Saddam are different suits cut from the same cloth. The Chinese have and always will engage in torture of dissidents, imprisonment of Christian activists, forced sterilization and abortions. Not to mention the grevious treatment of people in Tibet which is controled by China. Using your logic we should be at a constant state of war with china.

Saudi Arabia, ignore the HUGE connection to Saudi Arabia with 9-11 all you want but the Saudi's engage in torture. Five UK nationals and one Canadian national who were released from prison following a royal pardon provided detailed accounts of their treatment in prisons in Riyadh. They claimed that they repeatedly suffered various forms of torture during interrogation in order to force them to confess to police accusations against them. These included beatings all over the body and on the soles of the feet, sleep deprivation, and shackling and handcuffing for long periods.

There are still 2000 cases pending in the disappearance of people in El Salvador under the US backed government from 1980-1991. The US not only supported that goverment but trained their officers how to "conduct interogations" at the School of the Americas at Fort Benning, where the US military taught Central and South American Military and Police how to torture people.

The US does NOT invade other countries because of their human rights records. Never have, Never will. Only a fucking moron would believe that the US was going to invade Iran because of it's human rights record. Christ the Shah of Iran was a brutal dictator that we supported and had he not been overthrown would have continued to support to this day if his son was in Power.

Even our buddies the Brits held over 7000 irish Citizens without a trial for years in British Prisons. If we went to war with every counrty that violated human rights we'd have no friends.
 
This is a loaded question..........

Socrtease said:
What I want to know BB is where the fuck were you when the US supported the Samoza government in Nicaragua and people were disappeared and tortured there? Where the fuck were you when the US supported the Pinochet government that tortured and disappeared its citizens by the thousands. Shit Pinochet and Saddam are different suits cut from the same cloth. The Chinese have and always will engage in torture of dissidents, imprisonment of Christian activists, forced sterilization and abortions. Not to mention the grevious treatment of people in Tibet which is controled by China. Using your logic we should be at a constant state of war with china.

Saudi Arabia, ignore the HUGE connection to Saudi Arabia with 9-11 all you want but the Saudi's engage in torture. Five UK nationals and one Canadian national who were released from prison following a royal pardon provided detailed accounts of their treatment in prisons in Riyadh. They claimed that they repeatedly suffered various forms of torture during interrogation in order to force them to confess to police accusations against them. These included beatings all over the body and on the soles of the feet, sleep deprivation, and shackling and handcuffing for long periods.

There are still 2000 cases pending in the disappearance of people in El Salvador under the US backed government from 1980-1991. The US not only supported that goverment but trained their officers how to "conduct interogations" at the School of the Americas at Fort Benning, where the US military taught Central and South American Military and Police how to torture people.

The US does NOT invade other countries because of their human rights records. Never have, Never will. Only a fucking moron would believe that the US was going to invade Iran because of it's human rights record. Christ the Shah of Iran was a brutal dictator that we supported and had he not been overthrown would have continued to support to this day if his son was in Power.

Even our buddies the Brits held over 7000 irish Citizens without a trial for years in British Prisons. If we went to war with every counrty that violated human rights we'd have no friends.
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I know where I was..where the hell were you...ya are trying to tie me to torture and all...but it won't work...counselor!..Never did nor would I ever! Nice diatribe though!
 
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Socrtease said:
What I want to know BB is where the fuck were you when the US supported the Samoza government in Nicaragua and people were disappeared and tortured there? Where the fuck were you when the US supported the Pinochet government that tortured and disappeared its citizens by the thousands. Shit Pinochet and Saddam are different suits cut from the same cloth. The Chinese have and always will engage in torture of dissidents, imprisonment of Christian activists, forced sterilization and abortions. Not to mention the grevious treatment of people in Tibet which is controled by China. Using your logic we should be at a constant state of war with china.

Saudi Arabia, ignore the HUGE connection to Saudi Arabia with 9-11 all you want but the Saudi's engage in torture. Five UK nationals and one Canadian national who were released from prison following a royal pardon provided detailed accounts of their treatment in prisons in Riyadh. They claimed that they repeatedly suffered various forms of torture during interrogation in order to force them to confess to police accusations against them. These included beatings all over the body and on the soles of the feet, sleep deprivation, and shackling and handcuffing for long periods.

There are still 2000 cases pending in the disappearance of people in El Salvador under the US backed government from 1980-1991. The US not only supported that goverment but trained their officers how to "conduct interogations" at the School of the Americas at Fort Benning, where the US military taught Central and South American Military and Police how to torture people.

The US does NOT invade other countries because of their human rights records. Never have, Never will. Only a fucking moron would believe that the US was going to invade Iran because of it's human rights record. Christ the Shah of Iran was a brutal dictator that we supported and had he not been overthrown would have continued to support to this day if his son was in Power.

Even our buddies the Brits held over 7000 irish Citizens without a trial for years in British Prisons. If we went to war with every counrty that violated human rights we'd have no friends.
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Really great post.
 
Battleborne said:
I know where I was..where the hell were you...ya are trying to tie me to torture and all...but it won't work...counselor!..Never did nor would I ever! Nice diatribe though!
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no what I HAVE done is shown that you are ONLY in support of military action when your right wing rube of a president gets us involved and you will rely on ANY reason ( in this case: Human rights abuses) when I am CERTAIN that you NEVER objected to your own government being complicit in the torture and disappearance of people in countries that we trained to do those things and countries that we supported while they did those things and those things were known to the world to be happening. You have have more of GWB's jizz on your shirt than Bill could have ever deposited on Lewinsky's dress. You are a brainwashed, koolaid drunk, rose glass wearing bush goobersmoocher.
 
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Socrtease said:
no what I HAVE done is shown that you are ONLY in support of military action when your right wing rube of a president gets us involved and you will rely on ANY reason ( in this case: Human rights abuses) when I am CERTAIN that you NEVER objected to your own government being complicit in the torture and disappearance of people in countries that we trained to do those things and countries that we supported while they did those things and those things were known to the world to be happening. You have have more of GWB's jizz on your shirt than Bill could have ever deposited on Lewinsky's dress. You are a brainwashed, koolaid drunk, rose glass wearing bush goobersmoocher.
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whatever draft dodger!..Go tie dye some T shirts...and stay out of court...your clients would be better off!
 
Battleborne said:
whatever draft dodger!..Go tie dye some T shirts...and stay out of court...your clients would be better off!
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Draft dodger? There was no draft when I was 18. Instead you mouth breathing, lips move when you read to yourself Burt Reynolds wanna be fuck, I enlisted in the United States Army. I went in in January of 1988 did basic at Fort Jackson, AIT at Fort Gordon and Jump School at Benning. First duty station was Fort Riley when the bulk of the first division was still there. I was in LRSD (Long Range Surveilence Detachment) C Co. 101 MI, until we were activated as Delta Company. For the year and a half I was there I spent most of my time in the Honduras TDY with 7th SFG and actually was attached to the 7th for Just Cause. I then went to Augsburg Germany and was in HHC 204 MI Bn. 66 MI Bde. Got out in 1992 and went to school on my army college fund. So don't EVER presume to think you know shit about me you cracker ass cracker mother fucking inbred flatfoot piece of shit.

I oppose this war and one with Iran BECAUSE I was a soldier. I oppose it because the CiC has a DUTY to the troops he commands not to get them into unnecessary conflicts by lying about WMD's or anything else. He has a duty to the men and women that now wear the same boots I wore to not place them in harms way unless the US is REALLY IN DANGER. Had he sent all those troops to Afghanistan to fight the people that organized and carried out the attackes on 9-11 I would be a supporter of that conflict. But instead he chose a country that had NOTHING to do with the attack on the WTC and we now have a small group of Special Ops troops in Afghanistan watching the taliban basically take back everything we won except Kabul. Shrub chose Iraq BECAUSE he and his cronies really did THINK it was going to be a cake walk or a slam dunk or whatever stupid arrogant sports analogy they could come up with. But they forgot that their Vice Pres in the early 90's said we didn't go to Bagdad because of how hard it would be to occupy the country and it would turn into a QUAGMIRE, his words not mine. You simplistic right wing black and white viewing bastards who don't have to risk you lives demean everyone for opposing this war and try to use some status as a veteran to prove you are better than everyone else. Well I am a veteran as well and those that oppose this war have the soldiers well being in mind. I have not only their well being but the well being of the US military in general in mind. This countries military can't suffer another draw or worse loss on its record. And at this point anything shy of the unrealistic goal of a free democratic Iraq will look like failure to the world. So no we have to keep troops in Iraq until this generation of iraqis die so that we can try to find a Jefferson or a Madison in the next generation to persude the Iraqis that our government is the government they want. I have said it over and over and over again. You cannot force feed democracy on someone at the end of a bayonet. It has to be earned, Christ the Spartans knew that. You and your simplistic right wing cohorts think that you just need to translate the US Constitution into Arabic and they will fall all over themselves to be free. It has NEVER worked that way and it never will. It was that very same attitude that cost us the Hearts and Minds won by Special Forces in Vietnam prior to the full scale introduction of troops into south Vietnam. Your ilk just never learned the lesson or even worse you ignored it.
 
Battleborne said:
Please before y'all go on and on about the US starting wars for no reason...at least go to this site written by those Iranians who actually know about the abuses going on in Iran! The Republican Guard et al are the government in Iran...they use torture and killing to keep dissidents down...Wake up Darla...your activity here would in Iran get you tortured and killed...but you continue to protest against US actions in the area!


www.iranfocus.com click on all the links,stories,editorials and facts about the Shia government!
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That logic dictates that we must attack many countries in the world then.

Why just Iran now ? answer = Oil.
Be honest give the real reason.
 
uscitizen said:
That logic dictates that we must attack many countries in the world then.

Why just Iran now ? answer = Oil.
Be honest give the real reason.
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Incredible, isn't it? Not only did they recycle the Vietnam War bullshit and then spread it around for Iraq but now they want to do it AGAIN for Iran. How stupid do they think we are?

Yeah, okay: stupid enough to elect George Bush twice. :blowup:
 
A nation of scary conditioned people .. incapable of peace, civility, respect, and honor. Child-like, silly, and scary little people.

Iran must go?

The genuine travesty of such a silly thought is that the one who thinks it and dares say it has no idea of the depth of their own dementia. No idea that they've been lobotomized. The PuppetMasters have perfected the painless lobotomy.

The brain has been completely removed and replaced by a sensor. It allows the now lobotomized individual to see themselves as normal. The delusions they are consistently force-fed are interpreted as "wisdom" by them and when the fear button is activated they slide into pussyfication mode and spit out the force-fed delusions without the benefit of a brain, where intellectualism was once stored.

A nation of scary lobotomized people.
 
I see you rewrote this.............

Socrtease said:
Draft dodger? There was no draft when I was 18. Instead you mouth breathing, lips move when you read to yourself Burt Reynolds wanna be fuck, I enlisted in the United States Army. I went in in January of 1988 did basic at Fort Jackson, AIT at Fort Gordon and Jump School at Benning. First duty station was Fort Riley when the bulk of the first division was still there. I was in LRSD (Long Range Surveilence Detachment) C Co. 101 MI, until we were activated as Delta Company. For the year and a half I was there I spent most of my time in the Honduras TDY with 7th SFG and actually was attached to the 7th for Just Cause. I then went to Augsburg Germany and was in HHC 204 MI Bn. 66 MI Bde. Got out in 1992 and went to school on my army college fund. So don't EVER presume to think you know shit about me you cracker ass cracker mother fucking inbred flatfoot piece of shit.

I oppose this war and one with Iran BECAUSE I was a soldier. I oppose it because the CiC has a DUTY to the troops he commands not to get them into unnecessary conflicts by lying about WMD's or anything else. He has a duty to the men and women that now wear the same boots I wore to not place them in harms way unless the US is REALLY IN DANGER. Had he sent all those troops to Afghanistan to fight the people that organized and carried out the attackes on 9-11 I would be a supporter of that conflict. But instead he chose a country that had NOTHING to do with the attack on the WTC and we now have a small group of Special Ops troops in Afghanistan watching the taliban basically take back everything we won except Kabul. Shrub chose Iraq BECAUSE he and his cronies really did THINK it was going to be a cake walk or a slam dunk or whatever stupid arrogant sports analogy they could come up with. But they forgot that their Vice Pres in the early 90's said we didn't go to Bagdad because of how hard it would be to occupy the country and it would turn into a QUAGMIRE, his words not mine. You simplistic right wing black and white viewing bastards who don't have to risk you lives demean everyone for opposing this war and try to use some status as a veteran to prove you are better than everyone else. Well I am a veteran as well and those that oppose this war have the soldiers well being in mind. I have not only their well being but the well being of the US military in general in mind. This countries military can't suffer another draw or worse loss on its record. And at this point anything shy of the unrealistic goal of a free democratic Iraq will look like failure to the world. So no we have to keep troops in Iraq until this generation of iraqis die so that we can try to find a Jefferson or a Madison in the next generation to persude the Iraqis that our government is the government they want. I have said it over and over and over again. You cannot force feed democracy on someone at the end of a bayonet. It has to be earned, Christ the Spartans knew that. You and your simplistic right wing cohorts think that you just need to translate the US Constitution into Arabic and they will fall all over themselves to be free. It has NEVER worked that way and it never will. It was that very same attitude that cost us the Hearts and Minds won by Special Forces in Vietnam prior to the full scale introduction of troops into south Vietnam. Your ilk just never learned the lesson or even worse you ignored it.
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after the board crash yesterday...so all I will say is I thank you for your service...but still disagree with your position!
 
Socrtease said:
Draft dodger? There was no draft when I was 18. Instead you mouth breathing, lips move when you read to yourself Burt Reynolds wanna be fuck, I enlisted in the United States Army. I went in in January of 1988 did basic at Fort Jackson, AIT at Fort Gordon and Jump School at Benning. First duty station was Fort Riley when the bulk of the first division was still there. I was in LRSD (Long Range Surveilence Detachment) C Co. 101 MI, until we were activated as Delta Company. For the year and a half I was there I spent most of my time in the Honduras TDY with 7th SFG and actually was attached to the 7th for Just Cause. I then went to Augsburg Germany and was in HHC 204 MI Bn. 66 MI Bde. Got out in 1992 and went to school on my army college fund. So don't EVER presume to think you know shit about me you cracker ass cracker mother fucking inbred flatfoot piece of shit.

I oppose this war and one with Iran BECAUSE I was a soldier. I oppose it because the CiC has a DUTY to the troops he commands not to get them into unnecessary conflicts by lying about WMD's or anything else. He has a duty to the men and women that now wear the same boots I wore to not place them in harms way unless the US is REALLY IN DANGER. Had he sent all those troops to Afghanistan to fight the people that organized and carried out the attackes on 9-11 I would be a supporter of that conflict. But instead he chose a country that had NOTHING to do with the attack on the WTC and we now have a small group of Special Ops troops in Afghanistan watching the taliban basically take back everything we won except Kabul. Shrub chose Iraq BECAUSE he and his cronies really did THINK it was going to be a cake walk or a slam dunk or whatever stupid arrogant sports analogy they could come up with. But they forgot that their Vice Pres in the early 90's said we didn't go to Bagdad because of how hard it would be to occupy the country and it would turn into a QUAGMIRE, his words not mine. You simplistic right wing black and white viewing bastards who don't have to risk you lives demean everyone for opposing this war and try to use some status as a veteran to prove you are better than everyone else. Well I am a veteran as well and those that oppose this war have the soldiers well being in mind. I have not only their well being but the well being of the US military in general in mind. This countries military can't suffer another draw or worse loss on its record. And at this point anything shy of the unrealistic goal of a free democratic Iraq will look like failure to the world. So no we have to keep troops in Iraq until this generation of iraqis die so that we can try to find a Jefferson or a Madison in the next generation to persude the Iraqis that our government is the government they want. I have said it over and over and over again. You cannot force feed democracy on someone at the end of a bayonet. It has to be earned, Christ the Spartans knew that. You and your simplistic right wing cohorts think that you just need to translate the US Constitution into Arabic and they will fall all over themselves to be free. It has NEVER worked that way and it never will. It was that very same attitude that cost us the Hearts and Minds won by Special Forces in Vietnam prior to the full scale introduction of troops into south Vietnam. Your ilk just never learned the lesson or even worse you ignored it.
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You hit the nail right on the head Socr! The Republicans have forgotten or are ignoring the two lesson learned in Vietnam. You can't force feed American values on another culture and you cannot lie to the public about the basis of war and expect to maintain their support.
 
Mottleydude said:
You mean chickenhawks don't you? I mean the Cons are using the oldest of all political tools. Fear.

Problem is there supporters are mostly cowards.

Remember, there are no Republicans in foxholes.
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It's all Democrats fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan?
 
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