Why is a Constitutional Republic more proper than a democracy?

[Uncensored2008]

Yeah apparently she did take social security,

So?

She paid in, why wouldn't she?

if her secretary Cynthia Peikoff is to be believed, and in 2010 a journalist using FOIA found that there's a record in the SS offices of Ayn receiving $11,000 from Social Security. And her husband collected SS benefits until his death.

BTW, social security, according to the Ayn Rand Institute is a form of welfare: "In fact, Social Security is not insurance. It merely seizes income from working Americans and dispenses it to retirees, with a vague (but legally unenforceable) assurance that younger Americans will someday get to reach into the pockets of their kids and grandkids. We shouldn’t hide that fact with euphemisms. “Contributions” should be called “taxes.” “Benefits” should be called “handouts.” Social Security shouldn’t be described as “social insurance” but as welfare.

But that isn't your lie - you claim she died broke and had the government pay her medical bills - which is a blatant lie.

 

[Kafka]

So?

She paid in, why wouldn't she?

Did you read what the Ayn Rand institute thinks of Social Security?

But that isn't your lie - you claim she died broke and had the government pay her medical bills - which is a blatant lie.

Nope. I said she used the social safety net. I said nothing about her finances. Do try to keep up. Otherwise you look like a dumbass.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Did you read what the Ayn Rand institute thinks of Social Security?

The issue you have is that I actually HAVE read Rand.

You claim that if you force someone to buy a hamburger against their will that it is immoral for them to eat it.

Nope. I said she used the social safety net. I said nothing about her finances. Do try to keep up. Otherwise you look like a dumbass.

Social Security is forced on Americans. There are far better means of ensuring retirement - anyone with a brain uses them - IRA, 401K - but for those who were forced to pay in, there is nothing immoral about taking back out.

 

[Kafka]

The issue you have is that I actually HAVE read Rand.

You claim that if you force someone to buy a hamburger against their will that it is immoral for them to eat it.

I said what I said and backed it up. I can't help it if you are unhappy. You are probably one of those frustrated losers who fancies himself to be John Galt.

Social Security is forced on Americans. There are far better means of ensuring retirement - anyone with a brain uses them - IRA, 401K - but for those who were forced to pay in, there is nothing immoral about taking back out.

Well if you base your philosophy on denying a social safety net then you pretty much are OBLIGATED to not use said social safety net.

That's called HYPOCRISY.

We all know Ayn was a hypocrite but it isn't a virtue.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I said what I said and backed it up. I can't help it if you are unhappy. You are probably one of those frustrated losers who fancies himself to be John Galt.

Why would I be unhappy?

Well if you base your philosophy on denying a social safety net then you pretty much are OBLIGATED to not use said social safety net.

Again, there are better alternatives.

That's called HYPOCRISY.

No, it isn't. If you force me to buy something against my will - that's immoral. My using the object you forced my to buy isn't hypocritical at all.

We all know Ayn was a hypocrite but it isn't a virtue.

You try so hard and fail so utterly.

 

[Feynman Lives!]

Obviously not - since you don't even grasp the most basic terms.

You will have to do much MUCH better than that if you ever hope to rebut any serious argument.

Stick around, young Padwan! One thing you will soon learn is that I do not post a single word without proper research!

 

[Uncensored2008]

You will have to do much MUCH better than that if you ever hope to rebut any serious argument.

You will have to offer a serious argument first.

{Democracy simply means that we are not a dictatorship. Republic means that we are not a monarchy. }

Is childish.

Stick around, young Padwan! One thing you will soon learn is that I do not post a single word without proper research!

Yet you have no grasp of basic systems of governance.

 

[Kafka]

Why would I be unhappy?



Again, there are better alternatives.



No, it isn't. If you force me to buy something against my will - that's immoral. My using the object you forced my to buy isn't hypocritical at all.



You try so hard and fail so utterly.

Sorry, sweetie, you aren't John Galt.

 

[Into the Night]

You don't understand the US government or its history.

You are describing yourself again, Hugo. DON'T TRY TO BLAME YOUR PROBLEM ON ANYBODY ELSE!

And Ayn Rand is a right wing goon.

The term "goon" was typically used to refer to Nazi adherents or soldiers in the Nazi army.
The Nazi's were fascists, a form of socialism, like Democrats.

 

[Into the Night]

I've read Ayn Rand. I understand her. Please tell me what I should understand about her.

You haven't, obviously. Stop pretending.

 

[Into the Night]

Given it's current size and greatly expanded numbers of states and geography, the U.S. should probably do away with the 'winner take all' practices re the electoral college votes of many states, allow more Parties to form, and implement proportional representation, at the least. The two party monopoly is so corrupted and dysfunctional it is destroying the country. There is no method of limiting the power of either, even by voting, especially once the oligarchy implements such farces as the 'super-delegate rule' and other dishonest garbage. Doing away with the electoral college would be even better.

As a counter-balance voters should be required to pass literacy and civics tests. The latter could be divided up among local, state, and Federal tests, and voting privileges assigned to each category separately, for those who are only interested in, say , national policy and have no interest in local politics, for example. The time is long past not doing so; the Civil Rights Acts and Voting Rights Acts and integrated schools and universities have been in place for a long time now need to be sunsetted, as was originally intended.

"Winner takes all" is not a feature of the electoral college.

Using a popular vote means only one or two places will effectively remove any representation from any other State.

 

[Into the Night]

So you have idea what she said.

You are describing yourself again, Hugo. DON'T TRY TO BLAME YOUR PROBLEM ON ANYBODY ELSE!

 

[Into the Night]

You should start an initiative in your state,

I really doubt the States would give more representation of themselves then they already have.

 

[Into the Night]

What she said about what?

The "Money" speech in "Atlas Shrugged" is the single most important essay on the nature of markets in history.

{“To trade by means of money is the code of the men of good will. Money rests on the axiom that every man is the owner of his mind and his effort. Money allows no power to prescribe the value of your effort except the voluntary choice of the man who is willing to trade you his effort in return. Money permits you to obtain for your goods and your labor that which they are worth to the men who buy them, but no more. Money permits no deals except those to mutual benefit by the unforced judgment of the traders. Money demands of you the recognition that men must work for their own benefit, not for their own injury, for their gain, not their loss–the recognition that they are not beasts of burden, born to carry the weight of your misery–that you must offer them values, not wounds–that the common bond among men is not the exchange of suffering, but the exchange of goods. Money demands that you sell, not your weakness to men’s stupidity, but your talent to their reason; it demands that you buy, not the shoddiest they offer, but the best that your money can find.}

"Francisco's Money Speech" by Ayn Rand | Capitalism Magazine

"So you think that money is the root of all evil?" said Francisco d'Anconia. "Have you ever asked what is the root of money?"

www.capitalismmagazine.com

Here she describes how money is just a barter medium, and combined with price discovery, is the major factor of any free market and capitalism.

She understood the role of money.

 

[Into the Night]

Democracy simply means that we are not a dictatorship.

Redefinition fallacy. A democracy is a form of government, not a negative.
Democracies is a form of government by popular vote. There is no constitution and no representatives.

Republic means that we are not a monarchy.

Redefinition fallacy. A republic is a form of government, not a negative.
A republic is government by law (a constitution). That constitution describes representatives, the authority they have, and how they are to be elected.

A modern Republilc is a form of government in which the head of state is a President.

Redefinition fallacy. A republic may or may not have a President. A republic is not an office of government.

There are Democratic Monarchies like the UK or Norway.

No such thing as a "democratic monarchy".
A dictatorship is not a democracy. Redefinition fallacy.

There are Republcs that are not democratic: North Korea, China, ....

The current form of government in North Korea is dictatorship.
The current form of government in China is oligarchy.

Neither is a democracy.

The modern concept of "democracy" was created by.... US.

The United States was never a democracy. There is no such thing as a "modern concept". You cannot redefine words that way!

The U.S. and France were the main models for what is understood today by the term "Democracy"

The United States was never a democracy.
France was never a democracy.

There are currently no democracies anywhere in the world.

 

[Into the Night]

And you in yours.

No initiative is required to maintain the Constitution in it's present state.

 

[Into the Night]

Seems accurate to me. What was false in what he said?

RQAA.

 

[Into the Night]

Nope! Just somebody who paid attention in the Political Science class.

Science has no politics.

 

[Into the Night]

You takin' your advice from Ayn Rand??? LOL. Are you in junior high?

Ayn Rand was one of the most repulsive thinkers in the last century. Her philosophy of unrestrained personal aggrandizement and he theology of the "disaffected supergenius" is disgusting at all levels.

The BEST PART: As she neared her death from cancer she actually utilized social safety net help. LOL. That's literally all you need to know about how morally bankrupt she was.

I already know you are a socialist. Fuck you.

 

[Into the Night]

This is a federation of independent states. While you should do what you can to mold your state to your views, you have no right to try and alter the structure of other states.

My state - California - has an initiative process - but it means nothing as the Oligarchy simply overrides the will of the people when they choose.

The current government of the SDTC is dictatorship. If, and only if, the people revolt and remove that oligarchy, do they have any hope of becoming a State of the Union again.

King Newsom has to be deposed.