Why is a Constitutional Republic more proper than a democracy?

[Into the Night]

Basically because it's not feasible. It's been tried but has never succeeded in even being implemented. States stay... basically forever, in the intermediate "socialist" state and never advance into real communism.

Communism is not a form of government. It is government ownership of markets. It is real. Redefinition fallacy.

But I don't have to convince you. You are the one accusing somebody of being a Marxist. If that's easy for you to know why somebody is a marxist, you should be able to point out how you know.

RQAA

The ball is in your side of the court. Of course, you can deflect. But then you just confirm that you're just using it as an insult but don't really know what it means.

RQAA

I would simply ask them to point out any nation at any point in history in which communism was implemented.

Every nation in the world has communism.

It's not "wrong". It would be great. But it doesn't work

I'm in no way an expert on marxism

Obviously.

But what I sutidied in college

You obviously didn't study Marxism in college, assuming you even went to college (I have my doubts).

and my debates with marxist are know enough so that if I were debating a marxist I would know that they are even if they didn't specifically say it, and I would be able to explain how I know without demanding that anybody read Marx.

Word games won't help you.

Cool! Explaining to marxists why marxism is wrong requires way more time and knowledge than it takes to explain how you know somebody is a marxist. So it should be easy for you to tell us how you know that poster is a marxist. That's waaaay easier than explaining to a marxist why they're wrong. IF you know what you're talking about, that is.

RQAA

So you accused the poster of being a marxist. Well.... tell us how you know..... Very simple!

RQAA

I most definitely agree that it's EASY to spot a marxist in many ways. But then you should be able to explain specifically HOW you spotted them.

RQAA

Please use quotes....

RQAA

 

[Publius]

Cool! Then, your question is answered.

Anyway... you're just going around and around in circles without answering the question.. Which tells us that my first instinct was correct: you don't know....
Thanks for playing....

There's nothing worse than a smug asshole who actually believes he's intelligent. But it's just a smoke screen to hide his self-esteem issues --his inferiority complexes, I mean the man has issues. Now I'm no expert on psychology but it seems clear to me that that's a fair assessment.

I'd give him a chance if he was serious about debating . And though he says he is but given the caliber of his responses, the incessant posturing and self-aggrandizing is nauseating on a scale that I can't really describe.

And he had the audacity to accuse me of making rookie mistakes. It's clear he can't be taken seriously. I put him on ignore where he belongs. In fact I'm not finding too many serious people on this forum but I'll hold out a little longer and see if there is anyone out there who is serious about discussion and debate.

 

[Into the Night]

Why not?

RQAA

You seem to think that studying marxism in college is a big deal. Doesn't everybody? It was just a course in which Marxism was ONE of the topics. They had you read the Manifesto which is.... about 25 pages long.

Name dropping won't work, moron. RQAA.

You appear to think that taking a course that includes Marxism in college is some sort of "great achievement". it's not! I assumed EVERYBODY did.

Marxism is not defined by a college course. False authority fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

What the fuck are you talking about? Are you an idiot? Are you really advocating violence? Let me know and I will alert the FBI.

DON'T TRY TO BLAME DEMOCRAT VIOLENCE AND HATRED ON ANYBODY ELSE!

She's a hypocrite, she went on the dole later in life when her money ran out, while spending her life arguing that welfare was aligned with Marxist philosophy, which, to many, like some of the morons on this forum, claim IS 'Marxism', which it isn't.

Not Marxism. Redefinition fallacy.

Even the famous conservative, William F Buckley said he had to flog himself in order to read 'Atlas Shrugged'.

So?

And, her philosophy
she called 'objectivism' as if her philosophy, and no other, was objective as hers, which is arrogance, and add a lot of tobacco smoke and viola, you got Ayn Rand, hypocrite extraordinaire.

Void argument fallacy. Bulverism fallacy.

Oh yeah, well

Nothing spells 'upholding the Constitution' like Trump's pressuring state officials to 'find' votes to overturn a lawful election in Georgia.

There was no lawful election in Georgia.

Nothing spells 'upholding the Constitution' like Trump's attempting to coerce the Vice President into rejecting certified electoral votes.

He can't certify any electoral vote. Pence broke the law. He has no authority to choose the electors for any State.

Nothing spells 'upholding the Constitution' like Trump's inciting an insurrection against the United States Capitol.

He didn't. DON'T TRY TO BLAME DEMOCRAT RIOTS ON TRUMP!

Nothing spells 'upholding the Constitution' like Trump's obstructing Congress's certification of the Electoral College results.

Congress does not have any authority to certify electoral college results. There WERE no electoral college results. There was no election in 2020. DON'T TRY TO DENY DEMOCRAT ELECTION FRAUD!

Nothing spells 'upholding the Constitution' like Trump's misusing the Department of Justice to promote false claims of election fraud.

DON'T TRY TO DENY DEMOCRAT ELECTION FRAUD!

Nothing spells 'upholding the Constitution' like Trump's soliciting foreign interference in the 2020 election by asking Ukraine to investigate a political rival.

DON'T TRY TO BLAME BIDEN'S PROBLEMS ON TRUMP!

Nothing spells 'upholding the Constitution' like Trump's violating the Emoluments Clause by profiting from foreign governments at his properties.

He didn't.

Nothing spells 'upholding the Constitution' like Trump's repeatedly attacking the free press, calling them the 'enemy of the people,' undermining the First Amendment.

DON'T TRY TO BLAME DEMOCRAT CENSORSHIP ON TRUMP!

Nothing spells 'upholding the Constitution' like Trump's interfering with the Russia investigation and firing FBI Director James Comey in an effort to obstruct justice.

There was no obstruction of justice. DON'T TRY TO BLAME DEMOCRAT FICTION ON TRUMP!

Nothing spells 'upholding the Constitution' like Trump's separating thousands of immigrant families at the border in violation of due process and human rights.

See immigration law. Trump was enforcing that law. It is not a violation of any part of the Constitution.

Nothing spells 'upholding the Constitution' like Trump's threatening to jail political opponents, a blatant abuse of power and disregard for the rule of law.

DON'T TRY TO BLAME DEMOCRAT POLITICAL PERSECUTION AND IMPRISONMENT ON TRUMP!

You guys on the right have been peddling such right wing tired tropes for some 60 years now, and, i swear, it's like a broken tape player that doesn't quit playing the same, boring tune, over, and over, and over, and over, and over again. It wouldn't be so bad it it was a good tune, but it really sucks.

DON'T TRY TO BLAME DEMOCRAT BEHAVIOR ON TRUMP!

yeah, nothing spells decentralizing the government than Trump's stated desire to 'deconstruct the administrative state', by firing thousands of career civil servants and replace with Trump sycophants, reinstituting schedule F which makes it easier for Trump to fire them, thus giving him heightened centralized power that no prior president hitherto ever achieved. On top of this, with Scotus's new 'president has absolute immunity' which will go to his head and make him think he has the same powers as Putin has over his government, and viola, Trump is a dictator in training, now all he needs is dictator 101 lessons which he will no doubt schedule more of those 'private telephone conversations' with Putin like he did when he was last in office.

Making up shit won't work. DON'T TRY TO BLAME DEMOCRAT TYRANNY ON TRUMP!

Libhater, you are blind as to who Trump is, what he is up to, and your fears are the objective of Trump, not dems and you are totally ignorant about what Dems are all about.

I know what Democrats are all about. Blame everyone (especially Trump) for YOUR OWN PROBLEMS!

Not only that, your avatar reeks of hate. And now you want to 'shoot Marxists'?

If you attack his property or his family, he has the perfect right to defend himself, his family, and his property

You are a sick puppy, you need help.

Not to mention the fact that you got it bass ackwards.

DON'T TRY TO BLAME DEMOCRATS ON TRUMP OR ANY CONSERVATIVE!

 

[Into the Night]

Cool! Then, your question is answered.

Anyway... you're just going around and around in circles without answering the question.. Which tells us that my first instinct was correct: you don't know....

Thanks for playing....

RQAA. Stop being mindless. Your question has already been answered multiple times.

 

[IBDaMann]

Cool! Then, your question is answered.

Nope. Look, you overestimate your understanding of Marxism.

Anyway... you're just going around and around in circles without answering the question.

I answered your question. I'm not going to teach you the finer points of spotting a Marxist unless you want to write a check.

I honestly didn't think you were going to be this much of a coward on this topic.

 

[Port Tack]

I've been saying that America is seen and known as being a Constitutional Republic for some time now.
It certainly is in line with what our founders agreed upon, and that we/America is in no way to be
considered a democracy, or a socialist run democracy.

There are a number of government types that are a democracies. A constitutional republic IS a democracy.

 

[Port Tack]

The leftist twats don't care. They use the term "democracy" not because it means anything to them or they care about it, but because they think it disparages trump and his supporters. Remember words have "fluid" meanings with leftists. They don't care that America isnt a democracy. They hate America and would hate it all the more if it actually was a democracy.

A democracy is any government where the leaders are elected by the people. The USA is a democracy.

 

[Port Tack]

Given it's current size and greatly expanded numbers of states and geography, the U.S. should probably do away with the 'winner take all' practices re the electoral college votes of many states, allow more Parties to form, and implement proportional representation, at the least. The two party monopoly is so corrupted and dysfunctional it is destroying the country. There is no method of limiting the power of either, even by voting, especially once the oligarchy implements such farces as the 'super-delegate rule' and other dishonest garbage. Doing away with the electoral college would be even better.

As a counter-balance voters should be required to pass literacy and civics tests. The latter could be divided up among local, state, and Federal tests, and voting privileges assigned to each category separately, for those who are only interested in, say , national policy and have no interest in local politics, for example. The time is long past not doing so; the Civil Rights Acts and Voting Rights Acts and integrated schools and universities have been in place for a long time now need to be sunsetted, as was originally intended.

If literacy tests were required Republicans would never win another election.

 

[Port Tack]

The leftist twats don't care. They use the term "democracy" not because it means anything to them or they care about it, but because they think it disparages trump and his supporters. Remember words have "fluid" meanings with leftists. They don't care that America isnt a democracy. They hate America and would hate it all the more if it actually was a democracy.

Is the United States a democracy?​

Yes, the United States is a democracy, since we, the people, hold the ultimate political power. We’re not a “direct democracy,” but we are a “representative democracy.”

Is the United States a republic?​

Yes. The United States is a republic because our elected representatives exercise political power.

So, which term should I use?​

It’s really up to you. In practice, the word “republic” has the same meaning as the term “representative democracy.” And a representative democracy is a form of democracy in the same way that a Granny Smith apple is a form of apple.

What type of government is the US, exactly?​

To be very specific, the United States could be defined as a “federal constitutional representative democracy.” You might also call it a “federal constitutional republic.”

Is the United States a democracy or a republic?

Finally, we have an answer.

act.represent.us

 

[IBDaMann]

There are a number of government types that are a democracies. A constitutional republic IS a democracy.

Incorrect. A democracy, i.e. majority rule, is antithetical to a Constitution that protects/guarantees individual liberties against majority wishes.

The reason that the words "democracy" and "oligarchy" and "theocracy" do not appear anywhere in the Constitution is that the United States of America is neither a democracy nor an oligarchy nor a theocracy.

The Constitutional guarantee of a republican form of government, i.e. one that protects individual liberties regardless of the wishes of the majority, completely precludes any democracy, oligarchy or theocracy.

 

[Feynman Lives!]

Communism is not a form of government.

It's a form of government, and economic system, a social sytem... many things.

It doesn't matter... All this nonsense because you can't explain HOW you would know that somebody is a marxist.

 

[Feynman Lives!]

There's nothing worse than a smug asshole who actually believes he's intelligent. But it's just a smoke screen to hide his self-esteem issues --his inferiority complexes, I mean the man has issues. Now I'm no expert on psychology but it seems clear to me that that's a fair assessment.

I'd give him a chance if he was serious about debating . And though he says he is but given the caliber of his responses, the incessant posturing and self-aggrandizing is nauseating on a scale that I can't really describe.

And he had the audacity to accuse me of making rookie mistakes. It's clear he can't be taken seriously. I put him on ignore where he belongs. In fact I'm not finding too many serious people on this forum but I'll hold out a little longer and see if there is anyone out there who is serious about discussion and debate.

Even as a trolls go, @Into the Night is one of the lousy ones. Just barely ok for temporary fun. But yes... he does seem to be asking anybody looking for a serious discusson to throw him into Ignore.

 

[Feynman Lives!]

I answered your question.

Clearly you didn't. If you had, you would QUOTE what reveals to you that the poster is a marxist, and tell us WHY that points to an anti-capitalist, communal society as described by Marx.

But now it's clear you won't so.... Don't bother.

Oh... and always remember....

“If you can't say it simply and clearly, keep quiet, and keep working on it till you can.” -Karl Popper​

 

[Feynman Lives!]

Is the United States a democracy?​

Yes, the United States is a democracy, since we, the people, hold the ultimate political power. We’re not a “direct democracy,” but we are a “representative democracy.”

Is the United States a republic?​

Yes. The United States is a republic because our elected representatives exercise political power.

So, which term should I use?​

It’s really up to you. In practice, the word “republic” has the same meaning as the term “representative democracy.” And a representative democracy is a form of democracy in the same way that a Granny Smith apple is a form of apple.

What type of government is the US, exactly?​

To be very specific, the United States could be defined as a “federal constitutional representative democracy.” You might also call it a “federal constitutional republic.”

Is the United States a democracy or a republic?

Finally, we have an answer.

act.represent.us

That's an excelent explanation. We should point out that the framers made the distinction of Republic vs Monarchy as opposites because those were the two options considered when establishing this nation.

Their criticism of direct democracy was a thought experiment. There wasn't really much debate about it because it was a form of government that hadn't existed for over a thousand years.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

School children learn The United States is "a constitutional republic". So is Russia a constitutional republic, also North Korea and China, and virtually all countries that are no longer monarchies. Republics are what replaced monarchies. The degree to which a republic has a representative government if any is the question this thread seems to want to be about.

The Republic of the Congo is a Constitutional Republic.

Meanwhile the United States is the only country in the entire FREE WORLD, where a majority of voters can still lose the election to a minority of voters.

 

[Into the Night]

There are a number of government types that are a democracies. A constitutional republic IS a democracy.

A democracy has no constitution and no representatives.
A republic is not a democracy. Redefinition fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

A democracy is any government where the leaders are elected by the people. The USA is a democracy.

A democracy has no representatives and no constitution. The United States was never a democracy.

 

[Into the Night]

If literacy tests were required Republicans would never win another election.

Mantra 1a. Lame.

 

[Into the Night]

Is the United States a democracy?​

Yes, the United States is a democracy, since we, the people, hold the ultimate political power. We’re not a “direct democracy,” but we are a “representative democracy.”

A democracy has no representatives. The United States was never a democracy. There is no such thing as an "indirect democracy" or a "direct democracy".

Is the United States a republic?​

Yes. The United States is a republic because our elected representatives exercise political power.

A republic is not a democracy. Redefinition fallacy.

So, which term should I use?​

It’s really up to you. In practice, the word “republic” has the same meaning as the term “representative democracy.” And a representative democracy is a form of democracy in the same way that a Granny Smith apple is a form of apple.

There is no such thing as a 'representative democracy'. A democracy has no representatives.

What type of government is the US, exactly?​

To be very specific, the United States could be defined as a “federal constitutional representative democracy.” You might also call it a “federal constitutional republic.”

Is the United States a democracy or a republic?

Finally, we have an answer.

act.represent.us

There is no such thing. A democracy has no constitution and no representatives.