WinterBorn
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Since we are not a true democracy, there is no problem at all.
Why is a Constitutional Republic more proper than a democracy?
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Since we are not a true democracy, there is no problem at all.
And you agreed such a thing has never be put into practice. So, fake problem.
WinterBorn
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I don't recall saying that at all.
But if there is no such thing as a true democracy ever being put into practice, there is no problem.
Feynman Lives!
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Gee, well... let me see. There is not a SINGLE correct number in what you wrote. That's gotta be a record.
Into the Night
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What illuminati? Do you even know what an illuminati is?
Go read the book. You obviously haven't read it.
Go read the book. You obviously haven't read it.
Redefinition fallacies. Corporations are not fascism. Fascism is a form of socialism.
Now that I think about it, I don't think "Atlas Shrugged" was ever translated into your language. I guess you can't read that book after all!
Feynman Lives!
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Easily debunked by the sole fact that no such thing exists or has ever existed. People don't use words to describe something that doesn't exist except in ... children's stories, I guess.
ROFL
You're going to have to do a lot better than that - or crawl back to FaceBook. You're not able to cut it here. We rely on facts. You have only abject ignorance to offer. Learn the terminology and the fundamental concepts.
Look up who makes up the electoral college. And, the most populous states already have the most electors.
Into the Night
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There was, except for one, and that was used simply as contrivance.
There are some 238 million eligible. The 2020 was the largest turnout ever, at 158 million. Even if 50 million illegals voted it still wouldn't hit 111%, but yes, there were a lot of illegal votes, no question at all. But, the popular vote doesn't decide the President, the electoral college does.
Into the Night
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Yes it has. Athens was once a democracy. It dissolved into a dictatorship. The most recent attempt at democracy was CHAZ in Seattle, which dissolved into an oligarchy (before finally being dismantled by the City of Seattle).
There are many pieces of fiction that appeals to adults, and they make up words for the tableau of that piece of fiction all the time. Science fiction stories are a particularly good example.
Feynman Lives!
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According to your definition, there have never been. Or you would have named one.
In fact, what you say is nonsense. Language evolves. If it doesn't evolve it's a dead language. What was considered a democracy in ancient times (which is NOT nor has it EVER been what you describe) is not what is described today in political science.
The rest of your post is just you blurting out unsubstantiated nonsense. As if "words" had some sort of "magical" property to create reality. Words DESCRIBE things that exist. Language is a useful tool to communicate. What politicans, political scientists, English speakers UNDERSTAND by a word is what it means. And the consensus of what the word "democracy" means is clear: a government in which the people elect, in one way or another, who governs them. In other words, the opposite of a dictatorship. Plain and simple.
I don't want to give you links to THOUSANDS of pages in which not a SINGLE supports your claim. Just use google, if you still have any doubts.
You lack the intellect to debate and will again run and hide.
You ignored that I posted Athens already. It indeed existed, and a majority actually voted to put Socrates to death because they didn't like his ideas. Democracy in action.
You also ducked the fact that the Dictatorship of the Proletarians, part of the foundation of your party, is highly democratic.
In fact when Lenin instituted proletarian control in St. Petersburg he let the people vote on whether the Bourgeoisie would be fed or allowed shelter in the arctic winter. It was a classical example of democracy - resulting with the death of 60% of the population - some 2 million people. That was true democracy - voting on what jobs people would do, where they would live, what they would eat - with the Cheka always ready to gun down anyone not complying.
You seem unwilling to discuss democracy.
Feynman Lives!
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Who said anything different? Are you responding to me?
Yes, but not to the point that they can swamp the election. Remove the EC and California and New York will decide every president from that point on - disenfranchising the rest of the nation.
That's because only two Parties control all the elections and it's winner take all.. There is also Texas, Florida, and the Midwest, so Cali and NY are easily beaten, and it would be easier if it weren't for the electoral college.
Also requiring literacy and civics tests would eliminate 95% of California's votes, probably half of NYC's.
What is your source for this claim?
Again - you appear to be grossly inflating the number of registered voters.
I can and do back my numbers up.
Number of registered voters U.S. 2022 | Statista
In 2022, there were 161.42 million people registered to vote in the United States.
www.statista.com
Into the Night
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You presented a few facts, but made a rather gross assumption, which was 50% of the population being younger than 18.
That's a randU, a number that is made up in someone's mind. It is a type of random number. You cannot use random numbers as "data".
I didn't call you on it since you generally are correct. Yes...that means I'm biased!
What is your source for this claim?
Again - you appear to be grossly inflating the number of registered voters.
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I can and do back my numbers up.
Number of registered voters U.S. 2022 | Statista
In 2022, there were 161.42 million people registered to vote in the United States.
238 million are of eligible age, and like I said, only 158 million voted in 2020. I didn't use Pwe as my source for election data but this link opped up at the top of google. It's close enough.
Turnout in U.S. has soared in recent elections but by some measures still trails that of many other countries
When comparing turnout among the voting-age population in recent national elections in 50 countries, the U.S. ranks 31st.
www.pewresearch.org
Voter turnout in the 2020 U.S. general election soared to levels not seen in decades, fueled by the bitter campaign between Joe Biden and Donald Trump and facilitated by pandemic-related changes to state election rules. More than 158.4 million people voted in that election, according to a Pew Research Center tabulation of official state returns, amounting to 62.8% of people of voting age, using Census Bureau estimates of the 2020 voting-age population.
The 2020 voting surge followed unusually high turnout in the 2018 midterm elections, when about 47.5% of the voting-age population – and 51.8% of voting-age citizens – went to the polls.
The site I use has huge tables and doesn't cut and paste well.
Feynman Lives!
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Of course it was! But not by YOUR definition.
Athens had a complex government with many levels, some elected, some selected at random. They HAD a constitution (which you claimed doesn't exist). The Constitution was written by Aristotle (maybe you want to claim Aristote didn't exist?)
This is what the Athenian Government lookd like according to its CONSTITUTION.
