Why Republicans hold the strange belief that Obama is a liberal

Jarod said:
Natural Rights that the GOVERNMENT should be sepperated from! Regardless of where you belive they come from....Nature, God, Self, ect...
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Locke wrote that God created man thus man had natural rights, derived from God. How again is that "separation of Church and State"?
 
TheKingOfCarrotFlowers said:
Because when you're on Neptune, New York and Los Angeles don't look that far apart. Modern conservatism is just an extremely radical and paranoid ideology without comparison in American history.
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I have ALWAYS considered Obama very Liberal or a socialist really because of his voting record even before he got elected:
http://www.acuratings.org/2008all.htm#IL
http://www.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/sen/lib.htm#results

He has a lifetime ranking of voting over 90% for the leftwing side of votes and in 2007 he was ranked the most Liberal of all senators.

And when he got into office....surprise, he wants a socialist heavy government run or regulated universal healthcare, free college tuition social welfare, heavy banking regulations, staunch global warming regulations, more taxes, large stimulus plans which I think we've all seen are nothing more than bailing out corporate and personal failures and the debt increases to back the vastness of his spending up.

He is without question a far left liberal and a proven socialist.
 
Southern Man said:
Locke wrote that God created man thus man had natural rights, derived from God. How again is that "separation of Church and State"?
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Because the State should not get involved in those rights. He did not say God created man, and Government should be the arbitrator of those rights. He said Government had no business interfearing with those rights!
 
More on Jefferson and his belifes about sepperation of church and state!

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.

Jefferson, Thomas (1802-01-01). "Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists". U.S. Library of Congress. http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danpre.html. Retrieved 2006-11-31.
 
Jarod said:
Because the State should not get involved in those rights. He did not say God created man, and Government should be the arbitrator of those rights. He said Government had no business interfearing with those rights!
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According to Locke, God created man and we are, in effect, God's property. The chief end set us by our creator as a species and as individuals is survival. A wise and omnipotent God, having made people and sent them into this world:

…by his order and about his business, they are his property whose workmanship they are, made to last during his, not one another's pleasure: and being furnished with like faculties, sharing all in one community of nature, there cannot be supposed any subordination among us, that may authorize us to destroy one another, as if we were made for one another's uses, as the inferior ranks of creatures are for our's.
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http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/locke/
 
George Washington supported a treaty saying that the U.S. Government was in no way founded on the Christian Religen.
 
Jarod said:
More on Jefferson and his belifes about sepperation of church and state!

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.

Jefferson, Thomas (1802-01-01). "Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists". U.S. Library of Congress. http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danpre.html. Retrieved 2006-11-31.
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Jefferson's beliefs were quite different back in 1776 when he was a founder, writing the Declaration of Independence. :)
 
Jarod said:
George Washington supported a treaty saying that the U.S. Government was in no way founded on the Christian Religen.
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You're referring to the Treaty of Tripoli, an early version. The final version, after the US got the upper hand in combat, had no such language. :)
 
Jarod said:
That was before setting up a government!
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Dude. :palm:

"...with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
 
Southern Man said:
Dude. :palm:

"...with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
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:facepalm:
 
Southern Man said:
I do realize that it must suck to be wrong like you are all the time, and over something so simple. :)
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I am not wrong, in his own words Jefferson said that the first amendment provided for a seperation of church and state!
 
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