Why Rommney/Ryan are losing

[blackascoal]

What is funny is that those four groups have suffered the most under Maobama. White guys like me have prospered.

If those demographics want to keep voting agains their interests, I say fuck em. They can have more of the same. I will be just fine. Unlike them I don't rely on the gobblement.

We say fuck that.

Wanting more of the same isn't the point as much as not wanting dumb racist motherfuckers in office. Dumb ass people who want to believe that everybody not them is on the government.

We say fuck that. :0)

 

[Liberty]

How do you suggest they be more "inclusive"? Please enlighten us poor rubes

Well, you can only put so many tax payers in jail who have never victimized anyone before you delete your voting base to name one.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Sorry, that's projection on your part. My analysis is made on cold hard numbers. Statistically Obama is polling 100% with blacks. 60% with women. 67% with the youth vote (under 25), 67% with Latinos. This isn't wishful thinking on my part. These are cold hard facts. Ignore them at your own peril cause the popular vote is showing Obama with a significant lead where as the electoral vote is showing Obama with a huge lead. Better start facing facts son.

Actually Obama polled at 94% with blacks, 6% were undecided. In 2008, Obama won 96% of their vote. As for women, blacks, hispanics, youth... Obama will still likely carry large percentages... the question Mutt is .... what will the turnout be among those groups? Are we going to see the same surge in youth voting that we did in 2008? Given that unemployment among recent grads is so very high... somehow I doubt they are as motivated. Given the median income drop since Obama took over, coupled with the inflation being seen on groceries, energy bills, gasoline... I am guessing not so much for the other groups either. Add in the rampant debt Obama has run up and the troubles in Europe, China and the mid-East.. not to mention our fiscal cliff... I am not seeing the motivation for Dems to come to the polls in large numbers.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

What is funny is that those four groups have suffered the most under Maobama. White guys like me have prospered.

If those demographics want to keep voting agains their interests, I say fuck em. They can have more of the same. I will be just fine. Unlike them I don't rely on the gobblement.

Ironic. That's what most people are saying about angry old GED white guys like you.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_VA_91612.pdf

As for your 'cold hard numbers' Mutt... you need to update... from PPP (which shows Obama up 5% overall)

Obama's leading 56-42 with women, 91-7 with African Americans, 63-30 with other nonwhite
voters, and 56-37 with young voters. Romney has a 51-45 advantage with men, a
57-40 one with whites, and a 54-43 lead with seniors. Romney is slightly ahead with
independents, 47-45, but Obama's party is more unified with Democrats supporting him
95-4 while Republicans go for Romney by a slightly weaker 92-7 margin.

56% women... same as 2008... so he will need turnout to be as high
91% Blacks... lower than 2008's 96%... so he will really need high turnout
63% other Non-white... not sure what the number was in 2008... but definitely lower than your 67% cold hard number

Romney leading among independents 47-45, when Obama carried them in 2008
Romney leading among Seniors 54-43%... who we know tend to vote in large numbers relative to other demographic groups

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_VA_91612.pdf

As for your 'cold hard numbers' Mutt... you need to update... from PPP (which shows Obama up 5% overall)



56% women... same as 2008... so he will need turnout to be as high
91% Blacks... lower than 2008's 96%... so he will really need high turnout
63% other Non-white... not sure what the number was in 2008... but definitely lower than your 67% cold hard number

Romney leading among independents 47-45, when Obama carried them in 2008
Romney leading among Seniors 54-43%... who we know tend to vote in large numbers relative to other demographic groups

oops... that was for VA only... my fault... I will find a recent national one...

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Actually Obama polled at 94% with blacks, 6% were undecided. In 2008, Obama won 96% of their vote. As for women, blacks, hispanics, youth... Obama will still likely carry large percentages... the question Mutt is .... what will the turnout be among those groups? Are we going to see the same surge in youth voting that we did in 2008? Given that unemployment among recent grads is so very high... somehow I doubt they are as motivated. Given the median income drop since Obama took over, coupled with the inflation being seen on groceries, energy bills, gasoline... I am guessing not so much for the other groups either. Add in the rampant debt Obama has run up and the troubles in Europe, China and the mid-East.. not to mention our fiscal cliff... I am not seeing the motivation for Dems to come to the polls in large numbers.

That's pretty much Romney's only hope but that is predicated on a white voter turn out of over 70% with a minimum of 60% of the white male voters voting for Romney. That certainly is possible.

 

[canceled.2021.1]

Ironic. That's what most people are saying about angry old GED white guys like you.

they say that I am wonderful

 

[hazlnut]

What is OWEbama's plan to balance the budget? He promised to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term. He didn't do that. So why do you trust him a second time? He promised to close Gitmo. He didn't. Why do you trust him a second time?

If I promise to wash your car and fill up the tank, is it my fault that your dopey brother W. totaled it before I even got the keys.

"Dude, you promised to fill up the gas tank and get 'er washed..."

"I didn't know your brother had wrapped it around a tree when I said that."

Please don't bore me with "The GOP stopped me". Because unless you can point me to a quote of OWEbama saying "I will do these things if the GOP lets me" then it is just excuses.

Maybe the don't teach this in bible school civics and government, but the Executive Branch submits a budget proposal, however only the legislative branch has the power to tax and spend.

The only jobs Obama is responsible for are his cabinet and other executive branch positions. He did his job.

Ask your congressman what specifically has he done to raise revenue and reduce spending?

 

[The Dude]

Intrade has Obama way up because they haven't asked super corn holo freak yet!

 

[Don Quixote]

Well how about this. Try some moderation. How about dropping the stupid immigration policies Republicans want to enforce on latinos such as forcing anyone who looks like a latino to prove they are citizens or advocating "self-deportation"policies and opposition to pathways to citizenship, particularly for young immigrants who's parents brougt them here? Ya know, let them commit to public service of some sort for several years (i.e. milatary service) as a path to citizenship. Advocating this combined with support of traditional values would win a lot of latinos.

Then you could moderate your stance on abortion. Instead of opposing abortion in all circumstances as a republican platform how about changing it to opposing abortion on demand, particularly for late term pregnancies but making exceptions for life and health of the mother? How about openly supporting womens right to access to birth control and opposing discrimination against women on both reproductive rights and in the work place? Could win a lot of women votes there.

You could also moderate your stance on gays and lesbians. You can still oppose marriage for gays and lesbians as a sacred religious institution while supporting domestic union rights for gays. There would be a lot more log cabin Republicans if you did that.

How about designing a message for African Americans on public education? Many blacks are very open minded to school choice. How about Republicans advocating improving educational standards and access for African Americans? How about paying more attention to issues that are important to blacks? How about making it Republican policy that racial profiling or discrimination of any sort will not be tolerated? Education (including job programs) and opposition to racial profiling/discrimination are issues Republicans could kill on with black voters.

Then how about supporting increased funding and access for college students and students who want to learn the trade skills? This is just common sense, particularly if that funding is focused on youths who want to study science, technology, business, the professions and most importantly the trades skills. There's a huge demand for trade skills in this nation and Republicans can gain a lot of support of the youth vote by increasing funding for post secondary education and funding entreprenuership programs that teach youths how to suceed in business. Again, Republicans can kill here. I mean this is a no brainer. Every dollar spent on post secondary education programs will return nearly double to a four fold increase in revenue from increased personal productivity. It's a win win. Why not do it? Who teaches entrepranuership better than Republicans?

The southern strategy of appealing to angry old white guys with racial code language is a loser. It's no longer sustainable. Just look at past Presidential elections. Democrats have won the popular vote in 4 of the last 5 elections and this one looks like it will make it 5 out of 6. This should be a serious wake up call.

he cannot,he is addicted to conservative social engineering and neocon war stratagems...christian religious intolerance and good old boy racism

not only is he having difficultly appealing to moderates and independents, but his recent actions are alienating them

this election may have a record low voter turnout (even among repugs) due to voter apathy

the ones likely to turnout are those who hate or fear either candidate and want to vote against him

some may vote for obama because he is a known factor while mittens has been for or against almost everything

not that it will make much difference, the financial boys are busy buying our 'elected' representatives and senators...at the federal, state and local levels

 

[hazlnut]

A. Ryan is a very bright and capable young legislature and was an excellent choice. Far superior to Sarah Palin, that's for sure.

I'm not sure there exists a lower bar in American politics than the Palin pick. From now on, giant political gaffs should be called 'Picking the Palin'.

B. The Tea Party has had minimal impact on this election cycle. It's "The Southern Strategy" that hurt Romney.

The Tea Party is essentially the far-right rebranding themselves and then returning to the same ol' tent they were always under. "I'm not a Catholic, I'm an Episcopalian!", he says while praying to the Virgin Mother.

I guess your point is, they weren't going anywhere. They're brand loyal to the GOP, Rinos and all.

C. Considering any of the other Republican candidates, who were all far more to the right than Mitt had been nominated Obama would have a double digit lead. Romney may not be winning but he's running a far better campaign then McCain did.

I would love to redo the McCain campaign w/o the Palin pick.

D. That's just a plain silly comment. Romney has done damned well to keep things as close as he has while being severely handicapped by the right wing of the party who has been hell bent on alienating large demographics of people.

He's been trying to have his cake and eat it too, playing to the fringe base while reassuring the moderates. - "Federal Abortion Ban" nudge-nudge, wink-wink...

 

[canceled.2021.1]

If I promise to wash your car and fill up the tank, is it my fault that your dopey brother W. totaled it before I even got the keys.

"Dude, you promised to fill up the gas tank and get 'er washed..."

"I didn't know your brother had wrapped it around a tree when I said that."



Maybe the don't teach this in bible school civics and government, but the Executive Branch submits a budget proposal, however only the legislative branch has the power to tax and spend.

The only jobs Obama is responsible for are his cabinet and other executive branch positions. He did his job.

Ask your congressman what specifically has he done to raise revenue and reduce spending?

Oh so my new leg humper wants to hide behind enumerated powers to defend the affirmative action big eared fairy in the white house.

Your initial analogy is apt because the only thing Black Hussein Yobabymama is qualified to do is pump gas and wash windows.

But, using your logic, since the demalquedacrats controlled Congress during the last two years of the Bush Presidency you would agree that the financial collapse and debt falls to Nazi Pelousy and Dingy Harry Reid right? And lets not forget that Black Hussein Yobabymama was in the US Senate at the time. Thanks for your concession.

You really suck at this. You will need to change your RP soon

 

[Rune]

I strongly disagree with all of those comments.

A. Ryan is a very bright and capable young legislature and was an excellent choice. Far superior to Sarah Palin, that's for sure.
B. The Tea Party has had minimal impact on this election cycle. It's "The Southern Strategy" that hurt Romney.
C. Considering any of the other Republican candidates, who were all far more to the right than Mitt had been nominated Obama would have a double digit lead. Romney may not be winning but he's running a far better campaign then McCain did.
D. That's just a plain silly comment. Romney has done damned well to keep things as close as he has while being severely handicapped by the right wing of the party who has been hell bent on alienating large demographics of people.

No, Ryan was a very poor choice. Being better than Sarin is irrelevant. Romney already owned the far right vote because he is white. Ryan brought none of the very populations you are scolding the party about to the table.

 

[Rune]

That's a silly comment. Both political parties have to constantly adapt to changing times and conditions. Neither party is a monolith as your comment suggests. Party politics is all about creating a winning coalition that will govern. To do that you have to build strong coalitions that emphsise issues which appeal to the majority.

You are advising them to change every platform they have, not adapt a little, hence my comment.

Republicans used the Southern Strategy brilliantly for 30 years but now it's an anachronism that does them more harm then good. I am particularly alienated by Republicans embrace of anti-intellectual and anti-science rhetoric, for example. That's completely fucking senseless. I mean it's stupid to think that Republicans will lose masses of voters by, for example, supporting teaching of biological evolution as a foundational concept in science.

Right, yet you think Ryan was a good choice?

 

[PostmodernProphet]

I would love to redo the McCain campaign w/o the Palin pick.

and we'd like to redo the Obama presidency without Obama.....

 

[blackascoal]

and we'd like to redo the Obama presidency without Obama.....

You have about as much chance of that as he does of redoing the Palin pick.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

You have about as much chance of that as he does of redoing the Palin pick.

true....the last four years are water under the bridge......we have an excellent chance of keeping him from getting mulligans, though.....

 

[hazlnut]

But, using your logic,

Nice try.

But you gotta walk before you can run.

 

[Lowaicue]

Well sarcasm aside, your point is well taken. Romney would probably be an unpopular choice abroad. However, and unfortunately, that will be of little consideration come election time.

Most people in the US cast their votes based on a candidates domestic policy and are pretty oblivious to the fact that the implementation of foreign policy is the Presidents most important job as Chief Executive.

We had the exact reverse under Thatcher. She divided the country, started a civil war with the miners, led a huge campaign to denigrate the workforce of the UK, geographically divided the north and the south and sold the family silver.

Overseas she was adored. Everywhere she went foreigners cheered the 'iron' lady.

Some of the truth is now coming out as we join the dots issuing from the worst football disaster ever, at Hillsborough, where the lies and cover ups are finding their rightful passage to her door. (even now there are those who say she should not be attacked because she is frail and sick) ... those of us who remember her war against the miners of Yorkshire and Derbyshire and who witnessed the armed vehicles lining the quiet streets of Chesterfield and knew police who were earning huge bonuses to keep them 'on side', would say she is not sick enough. She is still breathing.