Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Well no shit. Considering he was an oil company executive it was a direct conflict of interest. Where has Obama ever been the head of a labor union?
Why the left needs to be stopped.
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You have a series of posts here that sound like the rantings of a moron....
No one is trying to do away with the middle class
No one is trying to give more power to Corporations
No one is trying to take away workers rights
No one is trying to bust unions
No one is trying to curtail union organizing
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etc
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The government should NOT be in any "partnership" with any organizations....
Not with unions, not with churches, not with big business, little business or fuckin' middle size business.....
Government should not be taking sides with anyone because by definition, that means it will be detrimental to someone else....
Learn to use that freakin' empty head of use once in awhile.
The words, Freedom and JUSTICE for all, mean something.
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USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Bfgrn
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You have a series of posts here that sound like the rantings of a moron....
No one is trying to do away with the middle class
No one is trying to give more power to Corporations
No one is trying to take away workers rights
No one is trying to bust unions
No one is trying to curtail union organizing
etc
etc
etc
The government should NOT be in any "partnership" with any organizations....
Not with unions, not with churches, not with big business, little business or fuckin' middle size business.....
Government should not be taking sides with anyone because by definition, that means it will be detrimental to someone else....
Learn to use that freakin' empty head of use once in awhile.
The words, Freedom and JUSTICE for all, mean something.
You are as obtuse as they come.
Republicans and conservatives are trying to do away with the middle class
Republicans and conservatives are trying to give more power to Corporations
Republicans and conservatives are trying to take away workers rights
Republicans and conservatives are trying to bust unions
Republicans and conservatives are trying to curtail union organizing
It is not an opinion, it is a FACT!
What part of Grover Norquist's words don't you comprehend?
"We're going to crush labor as a political entity"
Grover Norquist - Republican economic guru and co-author of the GOP's 'Contract with America'
I don't think people on the right expect government to have their interest at heart, they expect them to have their freedom at heart.
It is simplistic to say that one side is "against" the common man because they want to limit government power.
I can pay attention to my own interest, I don't need to have a governess all my life.
Bfgrn
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'Limited government power' is not a panacea. You have to be aware of WHAT will replace it. It it not a zero sum game. Power does not evaporate. Today's Republican party and conservatism in general is a Trojan horse for corporate takeover of power. THAT is what has happened in this country and it is THE root cause of our economic collapse, our dwindling middle class, union busting, stagnate wages and less safe working conditions.
The right is TOTALLY obtuse to the dangers of corporate owned government. Because it IS conservatism...building aristocracies, plutocracies and oligarchies.
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Truck Fump / h1b
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BFGRN just showered damo with gallons of white hot load.
Bfgrn
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WTF are you talking about asshole?
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
????....you seriously believe that's a valid defense?......lol.....
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
last time I checked we only intended to do away with liberals.....
Truck Fump / h1b
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Im talking about you pearl necklacing damo with your truths.
You are as obtuse as they come.
Republicans and conservatives are trying to do away with the middle class
Republicans and conservatives are trying to give more power to Corporations
Republicans and conservatives are trying to take away workers rights
Republicans and conservatives are trying to bust unions
Republicans and conservatives are trying to curtail union organizing
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What part of Grover Norquist's words don't you comprehend?
"We're going to crush labor as a political entity"
Grover Norquist - Republican economic guru and co-author of the GOP's 'Contract with America'
Norquist is exactly right.....
Labor should not exist a seperate "political entity".....
any more than each religion or each business or each corporation should exist as political powers,
or anyone else that has an agenda that drives a wedge between them the rest.
charver
You lookin' at my pint?
I suppose that would be fine in a perfect world where any political party actually believed in anything resembling principles.
The fact is, governments of either political persuasion are not in favour of limiting government power and generally take the wishes of their electorates for granted. You can pay attention to your own interests all you like, but that won't stop the government attempting to give you a jolly good governing and expecting you to like it.
Truck Fump / h1b
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Yes. Their freedom to destroy the lives of others.
The general welfare clause in the constitution disagrees with you.
I think you mean simple. It is simple. They want to destroy governments ability to put limits on their ability to exploit others in any way they wish.
Bfgrn
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Norquist is a threat to this country. Labor IS the backbone middle class. It is criminal how far the GOP has moved to the right.
Republicans and conservatives believe a corporatoracy IS what America should be. They allow corporate lawyers and lobbyists write legislation that becomes laws that are completely slanted to the corporations benefit, even if it harms human beings and the environment. They even allow corporations to kill human beings if it adds to the companies bottom line. We see scum bags Senators like Vitter and James Inhofe battle and stall the EPA over formaldehyde’s link to cancer.
How Senator Vitter Battled the EPA Over Formaldehyde’s Link to Cancer
http://www.propublica.org/article/how-senator-david-vitter-battled-formaldehyde-link-to-cancer
Today's Republicans are the antithesis of great Democrats like Harry Truman, John F. Kennedy and Thomas Jefferson and great Republicans like Abraham Lincoln and Dwight Eisenhower.
"Harry Truman once said, 'There are 14 or 15 million Americans who have the resources to have representatives in Washington to protect their interests, and that the interests of the great mass of the other people - the 150 or 160 million - is the responsibility of the president of the United States, and I propose to fulfill it.'"
President John F. Kennedy
"The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere."
President Abraham Lincoln
"Labor is the United States. The men and women, who with their minds, their hearts and hands, create the wealth that is shared in this country—they are America."
President Dwight D. Eisenhower
"To unequal privileges among members of the same society the spirit of our nation is, with one accord, adverse."
Thomas Jefferson to Hugh White, 1801. ME 10:258
Bfgrn
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A communist? I'm a liberal. Communism is conservative. Thomas Jefferson was a liberal. Conservatives in 1776 were called Tories, Redcoats and Lobsterbacks. They supported the crown.
Jefferson was a "Democratic Republican"....later known as Republicans....
He actually is the founder of the Republican Party....
Jefferson was one of the most influential of the founding fathers...and supporter of "Republicanism".....
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CPUSA is well known for telling their members to vote for Democrats in elections because their goals are so closely intertwined....
Look it up asshole, it a fact.
Liberals I can tolerate, you're a pinhead.
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Rationalist
Hail Voltaire
No... Marxism is a revolutionary ideology, making it left-wing.
Bfgrn
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Calling you a pinhead would be a compliment. You are a typical word bound moron. Today's Republicans and conservatives don't support "Republicanism"
The genesis of the party of corporations, pollution and corruption was the Federalist party of Hamilton. Thomas Jefferson loathed industrialization and the human toll it imposed.
I don't care what the CPUSA tells it's members or how your parochial indoctrination creates your gross ignorance; REAL communists in places like Russia are conservative, not liberal. Because REAL Communism is not socialism, it is just another form of an aristocracy, plutocracy and oligarchy, which is always the goal of conservatism.
If your head was even as big than a pin, you would be able to decipher that obvious distinction.
Socialism is liberal. More people (preferably everyone) have some say in how the economy works. Democracy is liberal. More people (preferably everyone) have some say in how the government works. "Democracy," said Marx, "is the road to socialism." He was wrong about how economics and politics interact, but he did see their similar underpinnings.
Communism is conservative. Fewer and fewer people (preferably just the Party Secretary) have any say in how the economy works. Republicans are conservative. Fewer and fewer people (preferably just people controlling the Party figurehead) have any say in how the government works. The conservatives in the US are in the same position as the communists in the 30s, and for the same reason: Their revolutions failed spectacularly but they refuse to admit what went wrong.
A common mistake is to confuse Socialism, the economic system, with Communism, the political system. Communists are "socialist" in the same way that Republicans are "compassionate conservatives". That is, they give lip service to ideals they have no intention of practicing.
The Difference Between Socialism and Communism
"The equal rights of man, and the happiness of every individual, are now acknowledged to be the only legitimate objects of government. Modern times have the signal advantage, too, of having discovered the only device by which these rights can be secured, to wit: government by the people, acting not in person, but by representatives chosen by themselves, that is to say, by every man of ripe years and sane mind, who contributes either by his purse or person to the support of his country." --Thomas Jefferson to A. Coray, 1823. ME 15:482
"I willingly acquiesce in the institutions of my country, perfect or imperfect, and think it a duty to leave their modifications to those who are to live under them and are to participate of the good or evil they may produce. The present generation has the same right of self-government which the past one has exercised for itself." --Thomas Jefferson to John Hampden Pleasants, 1824. ME 16:29
"What is true of every member of the society, individually, is true of them all collectively; since the rights of the whole can be no more than the sum of the rights of the individuals." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1789. ME 7:455, Papers 15:393