Why the Reagan Democrats departed

Professor Baxter said:
But anyway a dba has tech skills and is a part of these jobs that mott claims don't pay enough.
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I think Mott's point (and Mott, please correct me if I'm wrong) is that if we get a lot more programmers and DBAs from India coming over here on visas, that the pay rates for those jobs will drop because supply will be higher. Much like happened to network administrators back in the day... they were highly valued; but then everyone got their certificate from Novell or Microsoft; and now they are generally on the lower-paid side unless they have more skills than just running a server.
 
as a Reagan Democrat I disagree.....the true situation is that we're old and dying off, while the SEIU member Democrats now outnumber us.......
 
Professor Baxter said:
Database administrator? I am an MCDBA. There are not as many jobs for that skill set alone and I expect them to lose more as the technology advances.
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There are still some opportunities for DBA's in the Oracle/RDBMS world, although much of that work has moved on-line. Still, even that creates opportunities.
 
tekkychick said:
I think Mott's point (and Mott, please correct me if I'm wrong) is that if we get a lot more programmers and DBAs from India coming over here on visas, that the pay rates for those jobs will drop because supply will be higher. Much like happened to network administrators back in the day... they were highly valued; but then everyone got their certificate from Novell or Microsoft; and now they are generally on the lower-paid side unless they have more skills than just running a server.
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That's absolutely the case. I worked for Oracle for several years and watched the transition Ellison made in replacing American workers with Indians.
 
tekkychick said:
I think Mott's point (and Mott, please correct me if I'm wrong) is that if we get a lot more programmers and DBAs from India coming over here on visas, that the pay rates for those jobs will drop because supply will be higher. Much like happened to network administrators back in the day... they were highly valued; but then everyone got their certificate from Novell or Microsoft; and now they are generally on the lower-paid side unless they have more skills than just running a server.
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It's not just that supply would be higher but that those foreign workers would be willing to work for far lower wages in the US cause they would still be far higher than what they could earn in India or much of Asia or Eastern Europe.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
It's not just that supply would be higher but that those foreign workers would be willing to work for far lower wages in the US cause they would still be far higher than what they could earn in India or much of Asia or Eastern Europe.
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good point. It would be up to the company's HR dept to make sure that didn't happen but... well... HR depts can be mixed.
 
Yes, everyone should just get paid whatever they think they should be paid without concern for bringing value to their organization. Apparently some are so full of themselves, they believe that they bring value just by showing up every day.

Life is about attaining marketable skills that can be used by an employer in exchange for his dollars. You aren't owed shit. That you can be replaced by low wage workers from India says more about YOU than it does about your employer.

You aren't any different than your employer. If you can get the same service for less money, you will do it EVERY time. Why should your employer pay you MORE for the same work that they can get from someone else? That is crazy and you would do no different.

Spend less time whining about it and more time developing marketable skills.
 
the only sane way to solves this is to allow people a path to citizenship.


Allowing people to become Americans is the American way to do this.


It will also solve the SS problem.

More workers of the right ages to shift the SS shortfall of workers
 
evince said:
the only sane way to solves this is to allow people a path to citizenship.


Allowing people to become Americans is the American way to do this.


It will also solve the SS problem.

More workers of the right ages to shift the SS shortfall of workers
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What SS shortfall?
 
evince said:
the one that includes lots of people of the same age.

You ever hear of the baby boom ?
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Lefties say Socialist inSecurity is solvent and there is no problem.

But it is nice to see that you want to bring the Mexicans in to fund your ponzi scheme of a retirement.

It is kinda like modern day slavery dontcha think?
 
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