Why we are 100% screwed as a country

The automakers paid back the loans.

no, they haven't....
if you don't believe the Forbes, perhaps you would believe the New York Times....
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/23/opinion/23niedermeyer.html?_r=3&scp=4&sq=general%20motors&st=cse
For starters, $6.7 billion doesn’t begin to scratch the surface of what G.M. actually owes us. Over the past 12 months, the Treasury has given it some $52 billion in the form of cash, loans and the purchase of that 60 percent of the company’s post-bankruptcy equity. And that number fails to take into account the two bailouts of G.M.’s former lending arm, GMAC, or the $3 billion spent on the “cash for clunkers program,” which doubtless kept the company from posting even deeper losses.

Moreover, G.M. is not, in the strictest sense, paying back taxpayers at all. Rather, it is refunding $6.7 billion of an $18 billion escrow account that was given to it by the government when it emerged from bankruptcy. The rest of that account will be used to cover fourth-quarter losses (including $2.8 billion pledged for the rescue of G.M.’s major parts supplier, Delphi), repay loans from the Canadian government, and possibly prop up the automaker’s shaky European operations. That escrow account is due to expire in June, at which time G.M. will repay what remains of the $6.7 billion from this week’s pledge — and then pocket the estimated $5.6 billion remainder.
http://www.forbes.com/2010/04/23/general-motors-economy-bailout-opinions-columnists-shikha-dalmia_2.html
Sean McAlinden, chief economist at the Ann Arbor-based Center for Automotive Research, points out that the company has applied to the Department of Energy for $10 billion in low (5%) interest loan to retool its plants to meet the government's tougher new CAFÉ (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) standards. However, giving GM more taxpayer money on top of the existing bailout would have been a political disaster for the Obama administration and a PR debacle for the company. Paying back the small bailout loan makes the new--and bigger--DOE loan much more feasible.
In short, GM is using government money to pay back government money to get more government money. And at a 2% lower interest rate at that. This is a nifty scheme to refinance GM's government debt--not pay it back!
 
I wonder if you would care to tell me how much money would have been lost if GM had been left to go to the wall?

US taxpayers would not have lost a dime. GM would have gone into bankruptcy like many companies before them. This was always about saving the necks of OWEdummy's union thugs. Nothing more. Nothing less.
 
Yes, imagine the president sending in federal troops without a request from the governor? The fact that they are not trained for such work could have compounded the problem, as Billy pointed out.

Yep unfortuantely most of them were in Iraq with their equipment.
 
There was a culture of dependence that was a recipe for disaster. I'll give you that, but that is not a 'microcosm' of the whole.. and it's not indicative of every where.. N'O/Louisiana, the whole place is where 'good government' went to die..and the 'Good ole boys and Laissez les bons temps rouler" ruled the day.. but that was part of it's culture and charm as well..

If they had evac'd.. really? that shit again.. They did, they evac'd to the dome..

Evacuated to the SuperDome? ROFLMAO. After that stupid response the rest of your post is almost not even worth responding to

the luckier ones got the hell up outta there

Ahhh yes, the liberal reason for everything. Luck. They only had three days knowing a Cat 5 hurricane was coming their way. I know. I lived there.

, but some had no means to travel, had no where to go if they did.. and some made stupid mistakes.. it still doesn't negate the fact that they had every right to expect the government of the United States of America to be able to help them.

And as I keep pointing out, how did that expectation work out for them? Not so good.

No one said anything about 'roses and candy'..No one said don't prepare on your own so you can be able to sustain yourself until help arrives and it's not scary to hear a sane person say it's normal to expect the USA to step up in times of disaster, but it's damn sure America-hating to think it can't..

What made you think so fucking little of your country?

I think very little of liberals and their expectation of the gobblement bailing them out of their stupid mistakes.
 
It is something to look at and change, if necessary. That's what Liberals do. They adjust and adapt to changing situations. They grow, evolve.

Indeed they do. All of our society's progress - justice, equality, etc. - began as an idea among the fringe on the left, the minority, and none became mainstream without the majority kicking and screaming to prevent it.
 
Indeed they do. All of our society's progress - justice, equality, etc. - began as an idea among the fringe on the left, the minority, and none became mainstream without the majority kicking and screaming to prevent it.

Yeah, and look where it has gotten us.

Bankrupt financially and bankrupt morally and bankrupt culturally.

WOW, you must be proud
 
Speak for yourself, Alias.

Well, if we are talking about me, then financially I am fine. No debt whatsoever. Enough for a rainy day. Culturally and morally, I am rock solid.

As I said, I can't say the same for the country with the ever present horror that has been liberalism.

Let's look at what liberalism hath brought us

1) 70% illigitimacy rate in the black community. Hell, even the KKK couldn't have accomplished that
2) 65 trillion in debt
3) 30 million dead babies thanks to abortion on demand
4) destruction of the nuclear family thanks to divorce on demand
5) failing educational standards thanks to unions running roughshod over public education

I could go on, but you get the point
 
Well, if we are talking about me, then financially I am fine. No debt whatsoever. Enough for a rainy day. Culturally and morally, I am rock solid.

As I said, I can't say the same for the country with the ever present horror that has been liberalism.

Let's look at what liberalism hath brought us

1) 70% illigitimacy rate in the black community. Hell, even the KKK couldn't have accomplished that
2) 65 trillion in debt
3) 30 million dead babies thanks to abortion on demand
4) destruction of the nuclear family thanks to divorce on demand
5) failing educational standards thanks to unions running roughshod over public education

I could go on, but you get the point

:rofl2:
 
Yeah, and look where it has gotten us.

Bankrupt financially and bankrupt morally and bankrupt culturally.

Yes, indeed. Look at where the Liberal ideas have morally and cultrally bankrupted the country. Imagine trying to save the lives of 45,000 people who die every year from a lack of medical insurance. What could possibly be more immoral? And actually extending unemployment insurance! What kind of depraved culture is that? Before we know it people will be talking about sheltering the homeless and feeding the poor. There goes the dog-eat-dog culture I'm sure the Founding Fathers desired.

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Secure the blessings of liberty. Absolutely! Grab what you can and walk over anyone to get it. I'm sure that's what the Founding Fathers were referring to and those evil Liberals are constantly opposing the Repubs who want to strengthen that culture. Bad, bad Liberals.
 
It is something to look at and change, if necessary. That's what Liberals do. They adjust and adapt to changing situations. They grow, evolve.

Dunno about that. I was just over on the thread discussing public education, and I doubt liberals will ever attempt to change the status quo on that one...
 
Yes, indeed. Look at where the Liberal ideas have morally and cultrally bankrupted the country. Imagine trying to save the lives of 45,000 people who die every year from a lack of medical insurance. What could possibly be more immoral? And actually extending unemployment insurance! What kind of depraved culture is that? Before we know it people will be talking about sheltering the homeless and feeding the poor. There goes the dog-eat-dog culture I'm sure the Founding Fathers desired.

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Secure the blessings of liberty. Absolutely! Grab what you can and walk over anyone to get it. I'm sure that's what the Founding Fathers were referring to and those evil Liberals are constantly opposing the Repubs who want to strengthen that culture. Bad, bad Liberals.

You and I both know society will come crashing down upon itself sooner or later in this postmodern state of narcissism. The question is, does either of us really care? Not sure if I do...
 
You and I both know society will come crashing down upon itself sooner or later in this postmodern state of narcissism. The question is, does either of us really care? Not sure if I do...

I care a little bit. But as long as I can care for my needs everyone else can fend for themselves. I would be happy to feed some liberals for a very steep price. I only accept junk silver though, especially from liberals, I don't trust them
 
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