Why were the Pharisees consistently depicted as the bad guys in the Christian gospels?
- Thread starter Guno צְבִי
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You do not get to redefine terms.
Where do you see those ads?
Dutch Uncle
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Schizos live in an alternate universe where they can define their own terms. Weird!
Guno צְבִי
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The basic form of the rabbi developed between the Second Temple (167 BCE–73 CE)—being heavily influenced by the Pharisees—and Rabbinic periods (70–640 CE), when learned teachers—overlapping with the Tannaim, Amoraim, Savoraim, and early Geonim—assembled to codify Judaism's written and oral laws.
gfm7175
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I think the more pertinent question is: "where DON'T I see those ads?"
Dutch Uncle
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Don't expect a factual reply from Sybil. Jus' sayin'.
Dutch Uncle
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Right about the time of Jesus. Weird!
Freddy Figbottom
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he was a capenter.
you're still trying to confuse people by mixing common noun versus titular usage of a word.
Thanks.
The gospel accounts depict Jesus as someone who frequently taught and debated in synagogues, someone who cited and interpreted Torah scripture, someone who debated Torah scholars.
All reputable modern scholars believe Jesus was literate in Aramaic, could read Hebrew, and that he received a Torah education growing up in Nazareth.
By any reasonable measure, he would have been considered a rabbi (religious teacher) by his followers, by the supporters of his ministry, by the authors of the gospels.
IBDaMann
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I promise that I won't ever do that.
Dutch Uncle
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Not an expert, but like street preachers today, I doubt it took much to become a "street rabbi".
OTOH, like Televangelists, I suspect the Pharisees weren't very happy about someone cutting into their turf.
Good.
Now the real definition:
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property, and equality before the law.
There were probably a lot of itinerant rabbis in first century Roman Palestine.Not an expert, but like street preachers today, I doubt it took much to become a "street rabbi".
OTOH, like Televangelists, I suspect the Pharisees weren't very happy about someone cutting into their turf.
On the other hand it seems almost certain Jesus was literate and could read the Torah in Hebrew - that would have taken some education that wasn't universally available to everyone at the time.
Dutch Uncle
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Agreed.
True...which makes one wonder where he'd been the previous 30-years prior to arriving in Jerusalem?
Guno צְבִי
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The were a lot of rabbis with followings but the devine messiah bull shit was a show stopper
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In Judaism, the Messiah (Mashiach) is a future human leader, a descendant of King David, who will redeem the Jewish people, rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem, and usher in an era of global peace, justice, and universal knowledge of God, but is not considered divine, unlike the Christian belief in Jesus as the Messiah.
List of Jewish messiah claimants
List of messiah claimants - Wikipedia
In Judaism, the Messiah (Mashiach) is a future human leader, a descendant of King David, who will redeem the Jewish people, rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem, and usher in an era of global peace, justice, and universal knowledge of God, but is not considered divine, unlike the Christian belief in Jesus as the Messiah.
Dutch Uncle
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The short crucifixion and rising-from-the-dead was the showstopper.The were a lot of rabbis with followings but the devine messiah bull shit was a show stopper
List of Jewish messiah claimants
List of Jewish messiah claimants - Wikipedia
In Judaism, the Messiah (Mashiach) is a future human leader, a descendant of King David, who will redeem the Jewish people, rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem, and usher in an era of global peace, justice, and universal knowledge of God, but is not considered divine, unlike the Christian belief in Jesus as the Messiah.
As @Cypress and I have discussed before, surviving a crucifixion was not completely unknown, especially one of a short duration. Lots of people have been buried alive by accident. It's very likely Jesus survived being nailed to a cross for an afternoon, even if he died of sepsis or infection later. Primitive peoples seeing him alive later would most certainly call it "a miracle". You know, like a burning bush, a plague of locusts or the parting of a sea.
No doubt a lot of stories sprang up from that single event. It helps explain why no one ever heard of Jesus of Nazareth until showing up in Jerusalem. The fact he brought a message of Peace, Love, Dove would add to his memory.
Guno צְבִי
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Paul wasn't a contemporary of jesus, it was easy to sell the pagans the story because they didn't know Tohra and the story wasn't much different from their go mythraThe short crucifixion and rising-from-the-dead was the showstopper.
As @Cypress and I have discussed before, surviving a crucifixion was not completely unknown, especially one of a short duration. Lots of people have been buried alive by accident. It's very likely Jesus survived being nailed to a cross for an afternoon, even if he died of sepsis or infection later. Primitive peoples seeing him alive later would most certainly call it "a miracle". You know, like a burning bush, a plague of locusts or the parting of a sea.
No doubt a lot of stories sprang up from that single event. It helps explain why no one ever heard of Jesus of Nazareth until showing up in Jerusalem. The fact he brought a message of Peace, Love, Dove would add to his memory.
We are not to assume that God will appear through a miracle and save us; God cannot be counted upon to change the laws of nature or override the organic rhythm of time and space. In the Talmud, Taanit 20b Rabbi Yannai said: “A person should never stand in a place of danger and say: 'A miracle will be performed for me!
Dutch Uncle
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Agreed. Notice that Paul's message was a lot less loving than the message of Jesus in the Gospels. It's easy to sell any religion to semi-literate people, especially those being dominated by rich and powerful forces.
IMO, it's not the specifics of a religion or the texts upon which they are based, but the results it produces in the population at large.
Guno צְבִי
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Torah isn’t exclusionary of non-Jews, you all just have fewer commandments than us (the seven Noahide laws). Righteous gentiles have a place in the world to come too. It also never demands perfection and always allows someone to repent and come back without an intermediary between us and G-d.