Jake Starkey
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Jesus certainly acted like a sorcerer.
Why were the Pharisees consistently depicted as the bad guys in the Christian gospels?
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Jesus is refered to as a god or divine being from the earliest first century writings.
There is no existing Christian scripture that does not consider Jesus a divine being.
The question decided at the Council of Nicea was the exact nature of Jesus' divinity. Not whether he was divine or not.
The doctrine of the Trinity seems like one of the most trivial things to get upset at Christianity about. I've never understood why the Trinity gets people triggered. There are far more consequential things about Christianity to criticize.
Jake Starkey
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East and West Christianity is all about the nature of God.
Guno צְבִי
We fight, We win, Am Yisrael Chai
The figure of Mithra has many commonalities with Jesus, too common to be coincidence.Mithraism was one of the major religions of the Roman Empire which was derived from the ancient Persian god of light and wisdom. The cult of Mithraism was quite prominent in ancient Rome, especially among the military. Mithra was the god of war, battle, justice, faith, and contract. According to Mithraism, Mithra was called the son of God, was born of a virgin, had disciples, was crucified, rose from the dead on the third day, atoned for the sins of mankind, and returned to heaven.
I think topics like this are interesting, but most reputable scholars believe the supposed links between Mithra and Jesus are overstated or fabricated.
I think what does stand up to scrutiny is that some of the stories in the Old testament are reworkings of ancient Mesopotamian mythology.
Freddy Figbottom
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no Jesus did that.
you think PAUL open the covenant.
you're not a christian, you're a Pauline heresy stroker.
why you love heresy?
Guno צְבִי
We fight, We win, Am Yisrael Chai
The Tanakh has its own history and tradition separate from the Christian "Old Testament" and it varies in the way books are categorized and divided. The name “Tanakh” or “Tanak” is an acronym for the three different divisions of the Hebrew Bible. These three divisions are the Torah, the Nevi’im, and the Ketuvim, which give us the “T”, “N'', and “K” in the word respectively. At its core, the Hebrew Bible recounts the origins of ancient Israel and its people's relationship with God throughout human history.
Freddy Figbottom
Was it me?
that makes them the villain, in basic drama terms.
quit being a fucking idiotic queef Huffer, dumb zio-bot.
Into the Night
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He doesn't need to.
He is the Son of God, and part of the godhead. He has conquered even death and was resurrected, showing the way for ourselves to accomplish this marvelous feat.
He has earned the lordship of the entire world.
He doesn't need to brag.
Into the Night
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He would reject it.
Freddy Figbottom
Was it me?
yes you can recite the mandatory sounds of your cult of conformity.
Jesus said just use reciprocity in interpersonal dealings and that's enough.
Guno צְבִי
We fight, We win, Am Yisrael Chai
Each man is accountable for his own sins. Deut 24:16 "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin.
Into the Night
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Christ was never a rabbi. He taught for the whole world, not just the Jews.
Paul is not the only disciple that preached abroad, although Paul was certainly productive in this area.
Prophets testifying of Jesus Christ have appeared throughout the ages.
Freddy Figbottom
Was it me?
I don't need it.
Im running at an optimal level of functioning.
me destroying you all is success, not a sign of something wrong.
Into the Night
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No. A Rabbi is a title. It is more than a teacher. It is a community religious leader.
Jesus Christ was sometimes referred to as Rabboni, or teacher of teachers.
Jesus Christ is much more than a teacher. He has conquered even death. He has earned the lordship of the entire Earth.
No Rabbi has ever done this!
Freddy Figbottom
Was it me?
go for it. you ain't killing shit, funny hat man.
Into the Night
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Then you don't understand, and don't even know what 'atheism' means.
Mathematics is atheistic. It simply does not care whether a god exists or not.
Logic is atheistic. It simply does not care whether a god exists or not.
Science is atheistic. It simply does not care whether a god exists or not.
An atheist cares not whether a god exists or not.
There is nothing condemned, so there is nothing to redeem.
But it does have a place. By omitting religion from certain disciplines, those disciplines can operate independent of any preconceived notions.
Freddy Figbottom
Was it me?
is so fucking dumb.
Into the Night
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Random words. No apparent coherency. Go learn English.
Guno צְבִי
We fight, We win, Am Yisrael Chai
IN SHORT… The Bible is clear, and it is consistent: one person cannot die for the sins of another. In other words, the sins committed by one person cannot be wiped out by the punishment given to another. In Exodus 32:30-35, Moses asks Gd to punish him for the sin committed by the people in regards to the Golden Calf. Gd tells Moses that the person who committed the sin is the one who must receive the punishment. Then, in Deuteronomy 24:16, Gd simply states this as a basic principle, ‘Every man shall be put to death for his own sin.’ This concept is repeated in the Prophets, in Ezekiel 18: ‘The soul that sinneth, it shall die… the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.’ The prophet Jeremiah looks to the day when the mistaken belief that one man’s death atones for another man’s sins shall no longer be held by anyone: in Jeremiah 31:29-30, the prophet says: ‘In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children’s teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.’
A MORE COMPLETE EXPLANATION… The Christian understanding is that Jesus, the one they believe to be the messiah, died for the sins of all humanity. In this view, the messiah is supposed to be the blood sacrifice necessary for the forgiveness of sin; in other words, a human sacrifice. However, not only is this concept of the messiah not found in our Bible, but we are also taught quite clearly and consistently that no one can die for the sins of another, that one person’s guilt cannot be forgiven because of another person’s death. In Exodus 32:30-35, Moses tries to offer himself as an atonement for the sins of the People, by being written ‘out of Thy book which Thou has written.’ To be written out of Gd’s book means to be written out of the Book of Life; therefore Moses is asking to die for the sins of the People. Gd’s response is that it does not work that way, each man dies for his own sin:
The whole of Chapter 18 of the Book of Ezekiel expands upon and clarifies this principle. Furthermore, this chapter teaches that all we have to do to gain Gd’s forgiveness is to stop doing the Bad and start doing the Good. Nowhere does it say that we must have a blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins.
A MORE COMPLETE EXPLANATION… The Christian understanding is that Jesus, the one they believe to be the messiah, died for the sins of all humanity. In this view, the messiah is supposed to be the blood sacrifice necessary for the forgiveness of sin; in other words, a human sacrifice. However, not only is this concept of the messiah not found in our Bible, but we are also taught quite clearly and consistently that no one can die for the sins of another, that one person’s guilt cannot be forgiven because of another person’s death. In Exodus 32:30-35, Moses tries to offer himself as an atonement for the sins of the People, by being written ‘out of Thy book which Thou has written.’ To be written out of Gd’s book means to be written out of the Book of Life; therefore Moses is asking to die for the sins of the People. Gd’s response is that it does not work that way, each man dies for his own sin:
The whole of Chapter 18 of the Book of Ezekiel expands upon and clarifies this principle. Furthermore, this chapter teaches that all we have to do to gain Gd’s forgiveness is to stop doing the Bad and start doing the Good. Nowhere does it say that we must have a blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins.
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