Wikipedia founder says it is now extremely biased towards the left.

AProudLefty said:
There it is. You win for now.

But they're essentially saying that conservatism is linked to Christianity. Or perhaps I am reading it wrong?
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The site tends to be both conservative and Christian. I guess it's their way of making it known that they will defend Christianity in their articles.

Since there are less religious versions of conservatism out there, it helps to make that distinction upfront as well.
 
Woko Haram said:
The site tends to be both conservative and Christian. I guess it's their way of making it known that they will defend Christianity in their articles.

Since there are less religious versions of conservatism out there, it helps to make that distinction upfront as well.
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It would be nice to have a pure conservatism wiki apart.

I've had a few good discussions with conservatives who are atheists. They sometimes got me to see their point of views.
 
AProudLefty said:
It would be nice to have a pure conservatism wiki apart.

I've had a few good discussions with conservatives who are atheists. They sometimes got me to see their point of views.
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I'm a conservative atheist myself. Granted, I'm in the odd position of being supportive of religion in general despite not believing. Jordan Peterson makes a lot of good points regarding how religion keeps certain people in line.

Even Western societies that are largely atheist still usually subscribe to morals that are Christian in origin (like secular humanists).
 
Woko Haram said:
I'm a conservative atheist myself. Granted, I'm in the odd position of being supportive of religion in general despite not believing. Jordan Peterson makes a lot of good points regarding how religion keeps certain people in line.

Even Western societies that are largely atheist still usually subscribe to morals that are Christian in origin (like secular humanists).
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What I don't get is the claim that "Leftists" want to deny others the right to practice religion. Many Democrats/Leftists are Christians. I, myself, have been a Christian for many years and my family is still Christian.
 
AProudLefty said:
What I don't get is the claim that "Leftists" want to deny others the right to practice religion. Many Democrats/Leftists are Christians. I, myself, have been a Christian for many years and my family is still Christian.
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It's more that "antidiscrimination" laws force things onto people that can go against their religious beliefs. A Christian bakery shouldn't be required to make a cake for a gay wedding, for example. The market can handle things like this, since refusing to serve a gay person can result in boycotts. By the same token, people can choose to support a bakery like this as well.
 
Woko Haram said:
It's more that "antidiscrimination" laws force things onto people that can go against their religious beliefs. A Christian bakery shouldn't be required to make a cake for a gay wedding, for example. The market can handle things like this, since refusing to serve a gay person can result in boycotts. By the same token, people can choose to support a bakery like this as well.
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I get it and I can agree. But there's a precedent. Jim Crow laws. But yes I can agree and say let the free market decide for itself.
 
AProudLefty said:
I get it and I can agree. But there's a precedent. Jim Crow laws. But yes I can agree and say let the free market decide for itself.
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I think reasonable criteria can be devised for it. If a certain amount of competition is present in an area, let the market decide. If you're the only bakery in town, then yeah, you have to serve everyone.

In short, big cities would be a total free market, while remote areas would be regulated to prevent minorities from being denied service.
 
Woko Haram said:
I think reasonable criteria can be devised for it. If a certain amount of competition is present in an area, let the market decide. If you're the only bakery in town, then yeah, you have to serve everyone.

In short, big cities would be a total free market, while remote areas would be regulated to prevent minorities from being denied service.
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Hey.... that is really reasonable. Big city - free market. Small city - don't deny them.

It could be an experiment.

I like this compromise.
 
Woko Haram said:
It's more that "antidiscrimination" laws force things onto people that can go against their religious beliefs. A Christian bakery shouldn't be required to make a cake for a gay wedding, for example. The market can handle things like this, since refusing to serve a gay person can result in boycotts. By the same token, people can choose to support a bakery like this as well.
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They'd never force a Muslim bakery to bake a cake for a gay wedding!
 
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