Will Smith slap: Workplace violence isn’t tolerated in normal industries

[cawacko]

This is not my level of conversation happening here. I don't give a fuck about their marriage, open or not, I like talking about the much more universal truths revealed around this incident.

If someone had slapped the shit out of Seth McFarlane and Ricky Gervais at one of these Oscar events, and someone should have, a lesson woulda been learned. But I don't find demeaning and humiliating women funny. You know how the saying "you gonna learn today" right? Well a lot people learned on this day. I personally wish he had handled his business backstage, but I understand what happened. And this was not Rock's first time going after Jada. Or black women in general. So you know, talk shit, get shit. This was a smack. Nobody got beaten to a bloody pulp. I think there was a better way to handle it, but who among us has not handled a situation badly in the moment and regretted it later? The point of the article I posted was that words can be violence. Come on, people sometimes commit suicide over bullying and harmful words and we all know this.

For me personally, I don't like to be involved in any man shit. That's all I have to say on the subject. Here.

For the sake of discussion I'd love to get your thoughts here. On this board for example you regularly have posters telling other posters that they should kill themselves, that they should die and there life isn't worth living. I think many would respond 'this is an anonymous message board and if you can't handle it then don't post here' but by definition that would likely be considered bullying and even words of violence.

And then take our words towards politicians. Whether its here, or elsewhere, how often do we hear people almost root for the death of a politician? Again, the argument can be if you don't like that then don't follow politics or don't run for office. If you can't accept criticism then being in political office probably isn't for you. But does wishing death equate to bullying or words are violence?

And then even with the Oscars. That room was full of Hollywood millionaires. Because one is rich and powerful doesn't mean they aren't human and have feelings but we're not talking about oppressed people who don't have a voice. If comedy is suppose to be about punching up then making jokes at the expense of Hollywood elites would fit that bill.

So not that these three scenarios all have to be equal but I'm curious from a big picture bullying and words are violence perspective.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

Agreed....and even if he wasn't rich and black, anyone without a record and reviewing the circumstances leads me to think community service and a fine/restitution is just.

Skin-tone is a social/cultural thing. It's often used to determine justice. Look at all the threads where African-Americans are judges more harshly than their Euro-American counterparts.

His marriage is a psychological thing; first Will was laughing, then he was assaulting Chris Rock onstage. ON STAGE. Not in the back room, ONSTAGE. WTF? Does anyone besides me see that as having any reasoning behind it at all? Why not wait and just push Chris down a flight of stairs? Oops! WTF? Something ain't right here.

I always give people a chance to redeem themselves.

I know I have always been impressed with Will's skills in being the narrator of his Nature Documentaries and the great efforts of his Philanthropies etc. He has some great kids and stuff.

For me, his losing it was a shock!

But, hopefully he will find a way to redeem himself!

 

[Darla]

For the sake of discussion I'd love to get your thoughts here. On this board for example you regularly have posters telling other posters that they should kill themselves, that they should die and there life isn't worth living. I think many would respond 'this is an anonymous message board and if you can't handle it then don't post here' but by definition that would likely be considered bullying and even words of violence.

And then take our words towards politicians. Whether its here, or elsewhere, how often do we hear people almost root for the death of a politician? Again, the argument can be if you don't like that then don't follow politics or don't run for office. If you can't accept criticism then being in political office probably isn't for you. But does wishing death equate to bullying or words are violence?

And then even with the Oscars. That room was full of Hollywood millionaires. Because one is rich and powerful doesn't mean they aren't human and have feelings but we're not talking about oppressed people who don't have a voice. If comedy is suppose to be about punching up then making jokes at the expense of Hollywood elites would fit that bill.

So not that these three scenarios all have to be equal but I'm curious from a big picture bullying and words are violence perspective.

Well you I will always discuss things with Cawacko, because you are actually thoughtful about things. Also I suspect you know the difference between a man striking another man and a man striking a woman.

First, regarding Hollywood. I know a lot of people feel they're rich so it's open season. I don't agree with that. On a large scale, I will point to Seth MacFarlane singing that disgusting boobs song at the Oscars just prior to the MeToo movement. He couldn't do it today, but he got a pass then. But not from me. I don't consider actresses to be particularly powerful, and many are badly exploited. But even if they were powerful, what gives a powerful man the right to degrade and humiliate them? And then you have this going to a wide audience of young women and young men. What is this telling them? For me personally, I never tag an actor in anything I post online. If I have an opinion about a show or something, say I don't like the character whatever, I can express my opinion without tagging the actor, and never, even comment on celebrity Instagram accounts or whatever. They are human beings and they do have feelings. I don't even tweet at the those MAGA celebrities. I just don't care about them. No one really knows their names, but like the actress who played Buffy in the movie (not Sarah Michelle Gellar). I have seen some of her stupid shit retweeted into my timeline. I scroll past. She has a right to tweet.

I remember when Chadwick Boseman made that video during Covid trying to cheer people up and encourage them right? And he was made fun of mercilessly about his appearance. He ended up deleting the video. He tried to do a positive thing and people just ridiculed his appearance. WTF? What is wrong with people! ANd then of course he later died of cancer and we all found out why he was so thin when he made that video. And the day I saw the first tweet that he was dead, I thought about what was done to him, and I just cried. My heart broke into pieces. He was dying, tried to do something beautiful, and was made fun of to the point he deleted his video. This can never be made right. So we don't know what anyone else is going through, which is why I feel appearances should be off limits. Don't "joke" or comment on other people's appearances at the Oscars, in response to their videos etc. Just shut up.

Message boards; the comments are not largely personal because they cannot be. No one really knows other people here, so it's hard to take or give a direct hit. It's mostly just jerking off IMO. But when people are repeatedly cruel, attempting to go for what they believe is someone's jugular, than that says a lot about them in my view.

Politicians; I just cannot. Almost all of them are useless sacks, and they don't read any comments. I mean, I doubt they do. It's when a politician is attacked over their identity that I object. If you write "Judge Jackson is sooo ugly" that can be a direct hit on a different woman posting here. And I will be honest, I often post in direct response to their tweets. I once followed Ted Cruz around for a week on twitter posting the room service menu from the Cancun Sheraton telling him I'm room service and we are out of the aged porterhouse would lobster be okay? You know, while he was doing his working class stiff act. Many of them actively harm people IMO, and I don't have the same energy for them that I do for other people. Maybe I am wrong there, but it would be difficult to change my feelings about some of them.

 

[BartenderElite]

Well you I will always discuss things with Cawacko, because you are actually thoughtful about things. Also I suspect you know the difference between a man striking another man and a man striking a woman.

First, regarding Hollywood. I know a lot of people feel they're rich so it's open season. I don't agree with that. On a large scale, I will point to Seth MacFarlane singing that disgusting boobs song at the Oscars just prior to the MeToo movement. He couldn't do it today, but he got a pass then. But not from me. I don't consider actresses to be particularly powerful, and many are badly exploited. But even if they were powerful, what gives a powerful man the right to degrade and humiliate them? And then you have this going to a wide audience of young women and young men. What is this telling them? For me personally, I never tag an actor in anything I post online. If I have an opinion about a show or something, say I don't like the character whatever, I can express my opinion without tagging the actor, and never, even comment on celebrity Instagram accounts or whatever. They are human beings and they do have feelings. I don't even tweet at the those MAGA celebrities. I just don't care about them. No one really knows their names, but like the actress who played Buffy in the movie (not Sarah Michelle Gellar). I have seen some of her stupid shit retweeted into my timeline. I scroll past. She has a right to tweet.

I remember when Chadwick Boseman made that video during Covid trying to cheer people up and encourage them right? And he was made fun of mercilessly about his appearance. He ended up deleting the video. He tried to do a positive thing and people just ridiculed his appearance. WTF? What is wrong with people! ANd then of course he later died of cancer and we all found out why he was so thin when he made that video. And the day I saw the first tweet that he was dead, I thought about what was done to him, and I just cried. My heart broke into pieces. He was dying, tried to do something beautiful, and was made fun of to the point he deleted his video. This can never be made right. So we don't know what anyone else is going through, which is why I feel appearances should be off limits. Don't "joke" or comment on other people's appearances at the Oscars, in response to their videos etc. Just shut up.

Message boards; the comments are not largely personal because they cannot be. No one really knows other people here, so it's hard to take or give a direct hit. It's mostly just jerking off IMO. But when people are repeatedly cruel, attempting to go for what they believe is someone's jugular, than that says a lot about them in my view.

Politicians; I just cannot. Almost all of them are useless sacks, and they don't read any comments. I mean, I doubt they do. It's when a politician is attacked over their identity that I object. If you write "Judge Jackson is sooo ugly" that can be a direct hit on a different woman posting here. And I will be honest, I often post in direct response to their tweets. I once followed Ted Cruz around for a week on twitter posting the room service menu from the Cancun Sheraton telling him I'm room service and we are out of the aged porterhouse would lobster be okay? You know, while he was doing his working class stiff act. Many of them actively harm people IMO, and I don't have the same energy for them that I do for other people. Maybe I am wrong there, but it would be difficult to change my feelings about some of them.

I kind of know what you're saying - and I don't like mean-spirited humor in general. But I'd have to really stretch to call that GI Jane joke degrading & humiliating. Stupid, yes, and it really fell flat. But I felt like Jada could have diffused that whole situation by just laughing it off instead of taking it so seriously.

I'm going bald, and have been for ages, and have heard countless balding jokes about dudes. I heard that a video is going around now of Wil Smith making fun of a bald guy years ago. It's always been acceptable. I think Rock's joke - while bad - was hardly anything. He didn't say she looked ugly or anything like that.

Smith's reaction is still crazy to me.

 

[cawacko]

Well you I will always discuss things with Cawacko, because you are actually thoughtful about things. Also I suspect you know the difference between a man striking another man and a man striking a woman.

First, regarding Hollywood. I know a lot of people feel they're rich so it's open season. I don't agree with that. On a large scale, I will point to Seth MacFarlane singing that disgusting boobs song at the Oscars just prior to the MeToo movement. He couldn't do it today, but he got a pass then. But not from me. I don't consider actresses to be particularly powerful, and many are badly exploited. But even if they were powerful, what gives a powerful man the right to degrade and humiliate them? And then you have this going to a wide audience of young women and young men. What is this telling them? For me personally, I never tag an actor in anything I post online. If I have an opinion about a show or something, say I don't like the character whatever, I can express my opinion without tagging the actor, and never, even comment on celebrity Instagram accounts or whatever. They are human beings and they do have feelings. I don't even tweet at the those MAGA celebrities. I just don't care about them. No one really knows their names, but like the actress who played Buffy in the movie (not Sarah Michelle Gellar). I have seen some of her stupid shit retweeted into my timeline. I scroll past. She has a right to tweet.

I remember when Chadwick Boseman made that video during Covid trying to cheer people up and encourage them right? And he was made fun of mercilessly about his appearance. He ended up deleting the video. He tried to do a positive thing and people just ridiculed his appearance. WTF? What is wrong with people! ANd then of course he later died of cancer and we all found out why he was so thin when he made that video. And the day I saw the first tweet that he was dead, I thought about what was done to him, and I just cried. My heart broke into pieces. He was dying, tried to do something beautiful, and was made fun of to the point he deleted his video. This can never be made right. So we don't know what anyone else is going through, which is why I feel appearances should be off limits. Don't "joke" or comment on other people's appearances at the Oscars, in response to their videos etc. Just shut up.

Message boards; the comments are not largely personal because they cannot be. No one really knows other people here, so it's hard to take or give a direct hit. It's mostly just jerking off IMO. But when people are repeatedly cruel, attempting to go for what they believe is someone's jugular, than that says a lot about them in my view.

Politicians; I just cannot. Almost all of them are useless sacks, and they don't read any comments. I mean, I doubt they do. It's when a politician is attacked over their identity that I object. If you write "Judge Jackson is sooo ugly" that can be a direct hit on a different woman posting here. And I will be honest, I often post in direct response to their tweets. I once followed Ted Cruz around for a week on twitter posting the room service menu from the Cancun Sheraton telling him I'm room service and we are out of the aged porterhouse would lobster be okay? You know, while he was doing his working class stiff act. Many of them actively harm people IMO, and I don't have the same energy for them that I do for other people. Maybe I am wrong there, but it would be difficult to change my feelings about some of them.

I appreciate the response and hearing your opinion.

 

[Sailor]

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I always give people a chance to redeem themselves.

I know I have always been impressed with Will's skills in being the narrator of his Nature Documentaries and the great efforts of his Philanthropies etc. He has some great kids and stuff.

For me, his losing it was a shock!

But, hopefully he will find a way to redeem himself!

Because you, God and Jesus are so good? LOL

Sure, Will is a great actor. That doesn't make him superman or even more reasonable than the average person. He lost control on live TV.

There's the old joke about Joe the Bridge Builder; he built a thousand of the most beautiful bridges in the world but he was caught fucking one goat and now everyone calls him Joe the Goatfucker.

It's human to condemn Will's stupidity.

What's less common is to condemn Jada's role in this. IMO, Jada is toxic. For his sake I hope he runs as far and as fast as he can from her.

 

[Hoosier Daddy]

The fact that Will Smith wasn’t kicked out of the Oscars and arrested for assaulting Chris Rock shows how Hollywood allows, enables, and celebrates the very worst behaviors.

Workplace violence isn’t tolerated in normal industries.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1508290929546825730

smith or rock do not work for the Academy Awards, bozo. the cops asked rock if he wanted to press charges and he said no. what a nothing ass story.

 

[Matt Dillon]

smith or rock do not work for the Academy Awards, bozo. the cops asked rock if he wanted to press charges and he said no. what a nothing ass story.

That wouldn't work here if cops witnessed it. He'd be arrested.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

LOL Worse, IMO, is how many on the Left are tacitly condoning this as a "family matter" or "It's okay for a black man to defend his black wife" because doing so reeks of racism.

Simple assault is a crime no matter who does it. Some people are forgiving a crime for racist reasons and that's not what MLK was asking for.

 

[Darla]

LOL Worse, IMO, is how many on the Left are tacitly condoning this as a "family matter" or "It's okay for a black man to defend his black wife" because doing so reeks of racism.

Simple assault is a crime no matter who does it. Some people are forgiving a crime for racist reasons and that's not what MLK was asking for.

That's not true. You ascribe a lot of political motives to people, when in this case, it can just be a matter of how you were raised. I was raised by a father who taught us a man hitting a man is one thing, a man hitting a woman for any reason is a piece of shit. I personally like a man who knows how to deescalate a situation. I don't want a man of mine running up and smacking some dude for talking shit. When I discuss this incident I am far more interested in other parts of it, not that. And no one here is really interested in that, so I discuss it elsewhere.

I do like a man who if, things really go sideways, can handle his own business...and mine too. My father was not a man who was good at de-escalation, being a big Irish guy who grew up poor in Brooklyn and then made something of himself. But a part of him was always that guy. And though he wasn't one to choose de-escalation very often, he sure could handle his own business. So that's how I was raised. As an adult woman I prefer someone who is good with deescalating disputes, but is ready if it goes sideways. It's not political.

I admit sometimes I amuse myself thinking about the heads he would crack around here, if this wasn't the internet, but say, a bar. But I wouldn't want that. I never would want my dad to get into a fight over me, but I grew up knowing he would protect me with his life, and that he was so big and strong it would likely never come to that. And that kind of security stays with you. You tend to seek it out, tempered with your own earned knowledge and appreciation of a peacemaker first, an ass-kicker at last resort. I read with a lot of interest black women writing about not feeling protected because of institutional racism. Often, black men will be murdered or imprisoned for life if they pulled any of the shit I KNOW and SEE white men pulling on behalf of white women. I grew up very protected, and their thoughts and feelings interest me, and I learn from them. I don't want to live in a white princess bubble. And not all white women were raised like me either. Everyone has their own culture. Anyone who has been in real Irish bars knows that is its own culture too. I try and respect and learn about all people's cultures. Because I find it fascinating.

 

[Bourbon]

Correct me if I'm wrong ... but I'm sure Harvey Weinstein has his Oscar

 

[Dutch Uncle]

That's not true. You ascribe a lot of political motives to people, when in this case, it can just be a matter of how you were raised. I was raised by a father who taught us a man hitting a man is one thing, a man hitting a woman for any reason is a piece of shit. I personally like a man who knows how to deescalate a situation. I don't want a man of mine running up and smacking some dude for talking shit. When I discuss this incident I am far more interested in other parts of it, not that. And no one here is really interested in that, so I discuss it elsewhere.

I do like a man who if, things really go sideways, can handle his own business...and mine too. My father was not a man who was good at de-escalation, being a big Irish guy who grew up poor in Brooklyn and then made something of himself. But a part of him was always that guy. And though he wasn't one to choose de-escalation very often, he sure could handle his own business. So that's how I was raised. As an adult woman I prefer someone who is good with deescalating disputes, but is ready if it goes sideways. It's not political.

I admit sometimes I amuse myself thinking about the heads he would crack around here, if this wasn't the internet, but say, a bar. But I wouldn't want that. I never would want my dad to get into a fight over me, but I grew up knowing he would protect me with his life, and that he was so big and strong it would likely never come to that. And that kind of security stays with you. You tend to seek it out, tempered with your own earned knowledge and appreciation of a peacemaker first, an ass-kicker at last resort. I read with a lot of interest black women writing about not feeling protected because of institutional racism. Often, black men will be murdered or imprisoned for life if they pulled any of the shit I KNOW and SEE white men pulling on behalf of white women. I grew up very protected, and their thoughts and feelings interest me, and I learn from them. I don't want to live in a white princess bubble. And not all white women were raised like me either. Everyone has their own culture. Anyone who has been in real Irish bars knows that is its own culture too. I try and respect and learn about all people's cultures. Because I find it fascinating.

Yet your earlier statement of "talk shit, get shit. It's just a smack" conflicts with doing the opposite of what Jada and Will did.

Agreed about sideways. It's always best to be ready and part of that readiness is to be smart about it. Such as not be where the fights are unless necessary. Certainly not start one.

That's where it becomes political; specifically race politics because that's been one of the DNC's top cards since 1964. Every intelligent, sane and educated American I know supports fairness in all. Obviously that's not always happening in the work place even today.

That said, playing any card to justify this type of violence is detrimental to the best interests of our society.

TBH, while the smacker remains the smacker, I strongly believe Jada has accountability in this too. Will should get away from her. She's poisonous.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Correct me if I'm wrong ... but I'm sure Harvey Weinstein has his Oscar

Did he smelt it in protest? LOL

 

[Darla]

Yet your earlier statement of "talk shit, get shit. It's just a smack" conflicts with doing the opposite of what Jada and Will did.

Agreed about sideways. It's always best to be ready and part of that readiness is to be smart about it. Such as not be where the fights are unless necessary. Certainly not start one.

That's where it becomes political; specifically race politics because that's been one of the DNC's top cards since 1964. Every intelligent, sane and educated American I know supports fairness in all. Obviously that's not always happening in the work place even today.

That said, playing any card to justify this type of violence is detrimental to the best interests of our society.

TBH, while the smacker remains the smacker, I strongly believe Jada has accountability in this too. Will should get away from her. She's poisonous.

I personally don't care what your thoughts about Jada are.

Yes! Because much of the world behaves in that way. You can run your big mouth off all you want, but you better know that you are going to run it to the wrong person, on the wrong day. People should learn that lesson, and start speaking with some respect to other human beings. This week my mother called me from the grocery store, crying! Some man thought she bumped his car pulling in to her spot. He didn't see this happen, but saw a dent in his door and decided it was my mom, and had the owner of her make and model paged inside the store. And he screamed at her. A lot. I was five minutes away. One of my brothers was about the same distance timewise. I thought about calling him, but didn't because that could have ESCALATED THE SITUATION. So I had to drive there to deal with a toxic male. I dealt with him the same way I deal with a lot of toxic males. I stood close to him, tilted my head, and softly asked, you realize you were screaming at 75 yo woman, right? When I was finished he was nearly on his knees begging my mom for forgiveness. Why? Because he could not control himself. He has rage issues. When talked down, he felt guilt. My brother may have punched him. So I couldn't call a man to deal with this. This is how I navigate toxic men daily. Now, another woman might have said, fuck this shit, I'm gonna not only call my brother, but let him know our mother is crying hysterically and shaking, so he is good and pumped when he gets there, and what happens? The guy leaves on a stretcher and my brother is arrested. And there are plenty of people who would have made that call.

THIS IS WHY YOU DON'T TALK SHIT. You talk shit, you get shit, and you are always taking a big risk. Let this be a lesson to big mouths everywhere, is my view.

 

[christiefan915]

This was a man slapping a man

But can u here the huge deal that would have been made if a white had slapped Rock?

Racist racist racist would be on CNN for days..he has to be a racist!!!!

You see thats the way it is with Libs when ever a white does something they ALWAYS view it as being racist FIRST. Everything the white man does or says involving blacks is viewed with racism glasses on

And thats why we have the problems we have today

Only you would turn this into a lecture on racism.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I personally don't care what your thoughts about Jada are.

Yes! Because much of the world behaves in that way. You can run your big mouth off all you want, but you better know that you are going to run it to the wrong person, on the wrong day. People should learn that lesson, and start speaking with some respect to other human beings. This week my mother called me from the grocery store, crying! Some man thought she bumped his car pulling in to her spot. He didn't see this happen, but saw a dent in his door and decided it was my mom, and had the owner of her make and model paged inside the store. And he screamed at her. A lot. I was five minutes away. One of my brothers was about the same distance timewise. I thought about calling him, but didn't because that could have ESCALATED THE SITUATION. So I had to drive there to deal with a toxic male. I dealt with him the same way I deal with a lot of toxic males. I stood close to him, tilted my head, and softly asked, you realize you were screaming at 75 yo woman, right? When I was finished he was nearly on his knees begging my mom for forgiveness. Why? Because he could not control himself. He has rage issues. When talked down, he felt guilt. My brother may have punched him. So I couldn't call a man to deal with this. This is how I navigate toxic men daily. Now, another woman might have said, fuck this shit, I'm gonna not only call my brother, but let him know our mother is crying hysterically and shaking, so he is good and pumped when he gets there, and what happens? The guy leaves on a stretcher and my brother is arrested. And there are plenty of people who would have made that call.

THIS IS WHY YOU DON'T TALK SHIT. You talk shit, you get shit, and you are always taking a big risk. Let this be a lesson to big mouths everywhere, is my view.

Translation: Don't talk about Jada like that!


Agreed on your general statement but disagreed on equating a screaming nutjob in a supermarket with an entertainer onstage. Interesting that you seem them as being one and the same. Is it because of Jada Pinkett Smith?

 

[christiefan915]

The local Police can charge Smith for physical assault! And it would be an easy case and conviction with the evidence we all witnessed already.

Same as if he went up on stage and punched his own wife in the face!

I believe the police will charge him! The police try to not get into a situation where they create an image if a double standard.

It is their duty to indict him on charges.

Yeah, Smith may be arrested but it could end up like many domestic abuse cases, the abused refuses to press charges.

 

[Phantasmal]

Yeah, Smith may be arrested but it could end up like many domestic abuse cases, the abused refuses to press charges.

I read they won’t bother with it if Rock didn’t press charges, because even with the evidence a jury mostly likely won’t convict. It’s a man defending his wife defense. Hard to get a conviction.

 

[christiefan915]

The elephant in the room is that Will Smith just highlighted the lack of restraint and impulse control of black people. That's bad.

Motherfucker couldn't take a joke.

Have you ever seen Dean Martin roasts? In the days of real people, things worse than that were said and nobody slapped anybody.

People were more mature back then, I guess.

IMO, Chris Rock is on a higher level than Will Smith, and I appreciate Will's acting, but damn! I'd be crucified if I did some shit like that.

Giving him a pass on it is bullshit.

I disagree with your first sentence, many white people have a lack of restraint and impulse control. Case in point: Sean Penn has a record of violent outbursts and domestic abuse.