Will Trump be Reelected via Electoral College or via 12th Amendment ?

[IBDaMann]

Translation: No bet. I know I'd lose.

You aren't very quick on the uptake I see. How many times do you need it explained to you? I'll block copy-paste however many times it takes.

Too funny.

Toying with you never loses its appeal.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You aren't very quick on the uptake I see. How many times do you need it explained to you? I'll block copy-paste however many times it takes.

Too funny.

Toying with you never loses its appeal.

Fifty to sixty more times ought to do it.

 

[Concart]

you are the sixth cowardly leftist who has made this all about "ever posting at this site again." What a sniveling coward you must be.

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No, the terms of the bet are whoever loses must stay! I thoroughly enjoy toying with you.

The bet revolves around the 306-232 "already determined result of the vote that already happened". If the result of the Jan 6th ... event ... whatever you want to call it ... results in something other than an uncontested 306-232 Electoral College declaration of Joe Biden as President, because it has "already happened" and the January 6th declaration is "just a formality" then I win the bet because I am asserting that the vote has NOT already happened and will take place on Jan 6th and that it will have a different outcome than the "certified 306-232" that leftists claim 100% certainly "already happened."



Of course, when I win, I expect you to cancel your socks ThatOwlWoman, Guno, Concart, Flash, Phantasmal and Nordberg.


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I have no ideas about the other people, but just because you are running at least two sock accounts, doesn't mean the rest of us are. Socks are stupid. If the shoe fits, wear it. As for your bet, you just moved the goalposts, which is of course what you had to do. Uncontested? Nope, there are morons in Congress who will contest it. Which has nothing to do with your argument. But nice try, pal. The final result will be Biden 306, Trump 232. Period. The votes have already been cast, and despite the Trump sycophants attempting to contest those results on January 6th (not the state legislatures btw) that will be the final result.

 

[Flash]

Your question is bogus because it implies that something cannot happen for the first time. Why do I somehow need to provide an historical example for something that will happen for the first time?

I thought you said we cannot predict what will happen in the future. How do you know it will happen for the first time? What is your evidence to make this prediction?

I am going to ignore you until you first point me to the text in the Constitution that says that no State legislature gets to change its mind prior to January 6th, even if its electors go through the required steps as outlined in the 12th Amendment. I need you to first show me where the Constitution curtails the State legislature's plenary power prior to January 6th.

Easy. The power of the states to choose electors does not override the other aspects of the Constitution which requires "The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President....and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;-The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted..."

The states must follow these procedures and there is no provision allowing states to change those electoral votes after they have already been counted. That does not take "power" away from the states but requires them to follow the Constitution.

January 6th will not result in a 306-232 Electoral college result. You are wrong. You are wrong because the vote has not yet happened and all State legislatures still hold their plenary power in this vote.

What occurred December 14? Those were the electoral votes cast by each state as required by the Constitution.

 

[Flash]

When the January 6th result differs from the "certified" December 14th result of 306-232, how are you going to explain it? How does something that already happened in the past somehow become different, like it didn't happen until some time in the future?

I will have to see how it was done. Since you claim the vote will be different, why don't you explain to us how that will happen and the source of your information. You are so sure it will be different but fail to explain how.

 

[Into the Night]

I thought you said we cannot predict what will happen in the future. How do you know it will happen for the first time? What is your evidence to make this prediction?

You are obviously confusing past with the future and making a contextomy fallacy. Try to follow the conversation.

Easy. The power of the states to choose electors does not override the other aspects of the Constitution which requires "The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President....and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;-The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted..."

Extraneous. Anyone can go and read the Constitution. None of this specifies any date.

The states must follow these procedures and there is no provision allowing states to change those electoral votes after they have already been counted.

The procedure is already there, specified in Article II.

That does not take "power" away from the states but requires them to follow the Constitution.

State legislatures ARE following the Constitution. So far seven of them have filed Contested.

What occurred December 14?

Legislatures usually use this date to choose their electors. At least seven States have not chosen to do so thus far. There is nothing magick about Dec 14th, nor is the date in the Constitution.

Those were the electoral votes cast by each state as required by the Constitution.

Nope. Those were announcements of intent by electors. The electors haven't been chosen yet by at least seven State legislatures. The electoral college does not vote until Jan 6th.

 

[Into the Night]

I will have to see how it was done.

It is done according to the Constitution.

Since you claim the vote will be different,

The vote hasn't occurred yet. It can't be different from something that never happened.

why don't you explain to us how that will happen

Just did...yet again. RQAA.

and the source of your information.

The Constitution of the United States and current federal law. RQAA.

You are so sure it will be different but fail to explain how.

RQAA.

 

[IBDaMann]

Fifty to sixty more times ought to do it.

Great.

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I added four extras for good measure, just to be sure. Enjoy!

 

[Flash]

You are obviously confusing past with the future and making a contextomy fallacy. Try to follow the conversation.

Extraneous. Anyone can go and read the Constitution. None of this specifies any date.

The procedure is already there, specified in Article II.

State legislatures ARE following the Constitution. So far seven of them have filed Contested.

Legislatures usually use this date to choose their electors. At least seven States have not chosen to do so thus far. There is nothing magick about Dec 14th, nor is the date in the Constitution.

Nope. Those were announcements of intent by electors. The electors haven't been chosen yet by at least seven State legislatures. The electoral college does not vote until Jan 6th.

" States can constitutionally change how electors are chosen, but they’d have to change the rules before Election Day, not after.

That’s according to experts on law, the Constitution and democracy from a wide ideological range on the cross-partisan National Task Force on Election Crises. Doing so, they argue, would violate federal law that requires that all states appoint their electors based on what happens on Election Day."

States had to settle any disputes within six days of casting their electoral votes.

https://healthyelections.org/ [Stanford-MIT Healthy Elections Project]

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Great...

Made you look.

 

[IBDaMann]

I thought you said we cannot predict what will happen in the future.

We can guess the future but we do not know the future.

What occurred December 14?

Paperwork. Mandatory procedures.

Hypothetically, let's say you are going to pay someone $600 via certified bankers check on January 6th, and on December 14th you go through all the required steps to secure the certified check that you will pay on January 6th ... and you hand that check to your executive accountant who is to hand that check to the payee on January 6th. On December 23rd you come to believe that there was some bill-padding and other accounting shenanigans involved and you decide that you are only going to pay $400 on January 6th. It would seem that you are under the impression that your executive accountant would inform you that it is impossible to somehow change anything under the reasoning that you have already followed the steps of some process. It turns out that you are mistaken. You can go through the exact same required steps to get a different certified bankers check for $400 (or for any amount that you and you alone choose) and you hand that new check to your executive accountant with the instructions that he is to pay with that check instead.

Yes, that is how it works. Because you have plenary power over your payment process, you get to change your mind as often as you wish up until the official payment date of January 6th when you make your payment. I don't know why you believe that you have somehow already made your payment on December 14th but you are very confused.

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[Flash]

It is done according to the Constitution.

The vote hasn't occurred yet. It can't be different from something that never happened.

Just did...yet again. RQAA.

The Constitution of the United States and current federal law. RQAA.

RQAA.

The vote occurred on December 14th as required by the U. S. Constitution and a date set by Congress.

 

[Flash]

We can guess the future but we do not know the future.



Paperwork. Mandatory procedures.

Hypothetically, let's say you are going to pay someone $600 via certified bankers check on January 6th, and on December 14th you go through all the required steps to secure the certified check that you will pay on January 6th ... and you hand that check to your executive accountant who is to hand that check to the payee on January 6th. On December 23rd you come to believe that there was some bill-padding and other accounting shenanigans involved and you decide that you are only going to pay $400 on January 6th. It would seem that you are under the impression that your executive accountant would inform you that it is impossible to somehow change anything under the reasoning that you have already followed the steps of some process. It turns out that you are mistaken. You can go through the exact same required steps to get a different certified bankers check for $400 (or for any amount that you and you alone choose) and you hand that new check to your executive accountant with the instructions that he is to pay with that check instead.

Yes, that is how it works. Because you have plenary power over your payment process, you get to change your mind as often as you wish up until the official payment date of January 6th when you make your payment. I don't know why you believe that you have somehow already made your payment on December 14th but you are very confused.

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If you had problems with the check you had until six days before December 14 to resolve those disputes.

 

[IBDaMann]

I have no ideas about the other people, but just because you are running at least two sock accounts, doesn't mean the rest of us are.

You seem overly desperate to convince me that you aren't a sock. Why is that?

Socks are stupid.

You can always just post as Dutch Uncle and not post as your other socks, right?

As for your bet, [I'm going to make a lame chicken-scitt excuse to back out]

OK. You're a coward. You don't really believe any of the schitt you spew. I get it.

The final result will be Biden 306, Trump 232. Period.

You've just gone full circle.
Now this is the point where I bet you that there will be some different result.
You will then make a lame excuse to flee from the bet, but then you will pretend I am to blame for your cowardly flight to the hills.
You will then pretend to be brave and reassert "The final result will be Biden 306, Trump 232. Period."
Then I bet you that there will be some different result.
... and around and around we go.


All you had to say was "I stand by my assertion and I accept your bet." That you won't totally gives you away.

 

[IBDaMann]

If you had problems with the check you had until six days before December 14 to resolve those disputes.

Like I said, you are greatly confused and you seem to be beyond help.

 

[IBDaMann]

I will have to see how it was done.

In just over one week you will see how it will be done.

Since you claim the vote will be different,

I never claimed that the vote will be different from what it will be. What are you, new?

... why don't you explain to us how that will happen [for the sixth and seventh time because I'm way too stupid to understand the concepts involved]

... because if you can't understand the concepts involved the first five times it is explained then there is obviously no point in trying to get blood from a stone.

 

[Nordberg]

We can guess the future but we do not know the future.



Paperwork. Mandatory procedures.

Hypothetically, let's say you are going to pay someone $600 via certified bankers check on January 6th, and on December 14th you go through all the required steps to secure the certified check that you will pay on January 6th ... and you hand that check to your executive accountant who is to hand that check to the payee on January 6th. On December 23rd you come to believe that there was some bill-padding and other accounting shenanigans involved and you decide that you are only going to pay $400 on January 6th. It would seem that you are under the impression that your executive accountant would inform you that it is impossible to somehow change anything under the reasoning that you have already followed the steps of some process. It turns out that you are mistaken. You can go through the exact same required steps to get a different certified bankers check for $400 (or for any amount that you and you alone choose) and you hand that new check to your executive accountant with the instructions that he is to pay with that check instead.

Yes, that is how it works. Because you have plenary power over your payment process, you get to change your mind as often as you wish up until the official payment date of January 6th when you make your payment. I don't know why you believe that you have somehow already made your payment on December 14th but you are very confused.

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Crappy analogy. The electoral college votes have been certified and put in a sealed envelope. That was taken to the senate archivist who will open them only at the joint congress session Jan. 6th. The function of congress is counting them. If there is a protest, they will take a short break to discuss the objection and they will return with the vote accepted. The votes have been through the certification process. There is no legitimate argument.

 

[Flash]

Like I said, you are greatly confused and you seem to be beyond help.

We'll see.

 

[Flash]

... because if you can't understand the concepts involved the first five times it is explained then there is obviously no point in trying to get blood from a stone.

In other words, you have no clue how this super-secret plan will result in anything other than the 306-232 electoral vote.

 

[IBDaMann]

Made you look.

Did you say something?