Will Trump be Reelected via Electoral College or via 12th Amendment ?

Flash said:
January 6 is to count the electoral votes.
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It's not my problem that you have lapped up DNC misinformation like a cat lapping up milk. You have allowed yourself to be led astray and thus you don't have a solid grasp on how it all works. Hence you are understandably confused. I get it.

It is obviously pointless to try to reason with you so let's table this discussion and just rake you over the coals on January 7th when Biden does not receive 306 electoral votes.

I know, I know, you think the future has already happened, I get it ... there's nothing I can do to help you. Your understanding of tense is fúúked; maybe you can try reciting "January 6th hasn't happened yet. Janauary 6th hasn't happened yet, January 6th hasn't happened yet. Janauary 6th hasn't happened yet ..." Maybe that'll help, who knows?
 
martin said:
Could you point out the language in the 12th Amendment that provides a "path" for Trump's reelection? Not your interpretation but the language itself. Thanks.
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It won't help you because you suffer from the same cognitive-temporal problem that plagues all Leftists. You believe that January 6th (the future) somehow already happened on December 14th.

Congress set the date of January 6th for the voting and the Constitution grants State legislatures PLENARY POWER to choose their electors up until that point. Try as you may, you cannot compete with the misinformation that you are required to believe without question. You cannot be expected to somehow think for yourself given your condition. You are required to believe that the State legislature's PLENARY POWER somehow ended when someone licked an envelope.

The bottom line is that all State legislatures can change their mind up until January 6th, the date established by Congress. This is what is going to happen and how Trump will be reelected, i.e. his path to victory.

US Constitution - Article. II. Section. 1.
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct,

US Constitution - Amendment XII
The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; -- The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.
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This is text of the Constitution. Therefore, this is the point in the conversation where you say "That doesn't prove anything."
 
IBDaMann said:
It won't help you because you suffer from the same cognitive-temporal problem that plagues all Leftists. You believe that January 6th (the future) somehow already happened on December 14th.

Congress set the date of January 6th for the voting and the Constitution grants State legislatures PLENARY POWER to choose their electors up until that point. Try as you may, you cannot compete with the misinformation that you are required to believe without question. You cannot be expected to somehow think for yourself given your condition. You are required to believe that the State legislature's PLENARY POWER somehow ended when someone licked an envelope.

The bottom line is that all State legislatures can change their mind up until January 6th, the date established by Congress. This is what is going to happen and how Trump will be reelected, i.e. his path to victory.



This is text of the Constitution. Therefore, this is the point in the conversation where you say "That doesn't prove anything."
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Thank you. You've quoted the correct text. I have posted it here twice myself in order to demonstrate to semi literates like yourself that the outcome of the election has been decided. Let's take another look at the clause:

"The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; -- The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice."

Show us the language that empowers state legislatures to do what you say. Of course there is none, and the Vice President's only duty under the Article is to supervise the "count". He doesn't get to change the count. Joe Biden being "the person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President".

Perhaps it's your weakness with English that keeps you from realizing that the election has been decided.
 
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Originally Posted by IBDaMann
It won't help you because you suffer from the same cognitive-temporal problem that plagues all Leftists. You believe that January 6th (the future) somehow already happened on December 14th.

Congress set the date of January 6th for the voting and the Constitution grants State legislatures PLENARY POWER to choose their electors up until that point. Try as you may, you cannot compete with the misinformation that you are required to believe without question. You cannot be expected to somehow think for yourself given your condition. You are required to believe that the State legislature's PLENARY POWER somehow ended when someone licked an envelope.

The bottom line is that all State legislatures can change their mind up until January 6th, the date established by Congress. This is what is going to happen and how Trump will be reelected, i.e. his path to victory.



This is text of the Constitution. Therefore, this is the point in the conversation where you say "That doesn't prove anything."






No, states can't and more importantly, they won't try. A minority of retarded goofballs in some states tried, looked stupid and lost.
Further, Congress won't let states tamper with the certified electors by allowing
submission of fake non existent alternate ones.
Further, Pence won't reinstall himself and Trump by miscounting anything.

Biden is going to be sworn in because he won, bigly, so no injustice has been done. You are not aggrieved, you are simply an idiot.
Bay at the moon some more, fool. There is zero chance of anything happening besides Biden being Potus.

Next time don't nominate an lazy incompetent clown bigot billionaire liar criminal and a turbo fundi sidekick maybe you won't get trounced at the polls.
 
IBDaMann said:
For a while it was looking like certain contested States were simply going to punt and just abstain from sending electors, thus denying either candidate the 270 electoral votes needed to win and sending the vote to the House whereby Trump would win by a lopsided 31-20 margin.

But lately, it's beginning to look like some of those contested States are going to do the right thing and flip back to Trump thus giving him the 270 electoral votes to win outright.

If I had to bet, ... I'm still not sure which path will take Trump to his second term.

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Poor Delusional Trumpper
 
Jarod said:
Poor Delusional Trumpper
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LOL the sealed envelope with certified results declaring Biden the next Potus are already under lock and key in DC.
Are insurgent goofballs with an envelopes containing fraudulent uncertified certs going to bum rush the stage,
tackle Pence and rip the originals out of his hands and shove their new fake ones in it? I'm afraid I'll need to see a statutory reference.
 
IBDaMann said:
It's not my problem that you have lapped up DNC misinformation like a cat lapping up milk. You have allowed yourself to be led astray and thus you don't have a solid grasp on how it all works. Hence you are understandably confused. I get it.
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Not the DNC, I read the Constitution.

I have serious doubts that you really believe this stuff. I think you just want to continue arguing.

If Georgia is going to send different electors they might want to call a special session because the legislature is not even meeting until January 11.
 
IBDaMann said:
It's not my problem that you have lapped up DNC misinformation like a cat lapping up milk. You have allowed yourself to be led astray and thus you don't have a solid grasp on how it all works. Hence you are understandably confused. I get it.

It is obviously pointless to try to reason with you so let's table this discussion and just rake you over the coals on January 7th when Biden does not receive 306 electoral votes.

I know, I know, you think the future has already happened, I get it ... there's nothing I can do to help you. Your understanding of tense is fúúked; maybe you can try reciting "January 6th hasn't happened yet. Janauary 6th hasn't happened yet, January 6th hasn't happened yet. Janauary 6th hasn't happened yet ..." Maybe that'll help, who knows?
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Oh, I can't wait until January 7th when I can throw all your bullshit back in your face. Keep giving us more. You've got six days left. Tell us again what's going to happen. Tell us the chances of it happening. It is quite amusing. Only six more days.

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martin said:
Thank you. You've quoted the correct text. I have posted it here twice myself in order to demonstrate to semi literates like yourself that the outcome of the election has been decided. Let's take another look at the clause:

"The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; -- The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice."

Show us the language that empowers state legislatures to do what you say. Of course there is none, and the Vice President's only duty under the Article is to supervise the "count". He doesn't get to change the count. Joe Biden being "the person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President".

Perhaps it's your weakness with English that keeps you from realizing that the election has been decided.
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Thank you, Martin, for tearing IBDaGirlieBoy a new one in your post. He's gonna look like a little whiny b!tch on January 7th. He'll probably say "Oh, I was just trying to trigger the leftists".

No wonder Trump loves the poorly educated.

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IBDaMann said:
It's not my problem that you have lapped up DNC misinformation like a cat lapping up milk. You have allowed yourself to be led astray and thus you don't have a solid grasp on how it all works. Hence you are understandably confused. I get it.

It is obviously pointless to try to reason with you so let's table this discussion and just rake you over the coals on January 7th when Biden does not receive 306 electoral votes.

I know, I know, you think the future has already happened, I get it ... there's nothing I can do to help you. Your understanding of tense is fúúked; maybe you can try reciting "January 6th hasn't happened yet. Janauary 6th hasn't happened yet, January 6th hasn't happened yet. Janauary 6th hasn't happened yet ..." Maybe that'll help, who knows?
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Want to bet your future participation on this forum on those 306 votes, dumbshit?

Naw, I thought not, lying coward.
 
Reds are so prone to believing what they want to have true, regardless of the facts , laws, and numbers. The election has been settled. We just have another embarrassment in our near future. Reds will act up again. I gave the laws and procedures that will happen. Reds say NO, they will happen like I want them to happen. And they feel like they have make a great contribution to the discussion.
 
martin said:
Thank you. You've quoted the correct text. I have posted it here twice myself in order to demonstrate to semi literates like yourself that the outcome of the election has been decided.
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Thank you. You just illustrated my point better than I could have ever stated it. For the illiterates such as yourself, I wrote "It won't help you because you suffer from the same cognitive-temporal problem that plagues all Leftists. You believe that January 6th (the future) somehow already happened on December 14th. " How do you help someone think straight who cannot distinguish the future from the past?

January 6th is the future, i.e. it hasn't happened yet. Notice how you used the present perfect "has been decided" to express something that hasn't happened yet. There is nothing I can do for you.

martin said:
Let's take another look at the clause:

"The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; --
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Quid pro quo. I posted the text that you requested. Now it's your turn to post the text from the Constitution that says State legislatures, who have full plenary power on choosing their electors, somehow lose their plenary power to choose their electors at some point prior to the date set by Congress (January 6th, which hasn't happened yet) and therefore cannot change their minds after that point and have different certificates go through required process to replace the ones they previously sent or even withdraw their certificates to abstain altogether. Until you post that text, the Constitution is very clear that State legislatures and only State legislatures have any say as to whose certificates are read on the date set by Congress (January 6th, which hasn't happened yet)

That's where we stand.

martin said:
Show us the language that empowers state legislatures to do what you say.
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You are in heavy denial. I posted that text as well.

US Constitution - Article. II. Section. 1 Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct,
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Notice that it is unqualified, i.e. nobody elese has any say and no one gets to assert that they ever lose such plenary power at any point, e.g. December 14th. State Legislatures decide if they change their minds, and they can change their minds at any time prior to the January 6th date established by Congress.

Perhaps it's your weakness with English that keeps you from fully grasping the concept of tense and realizing that the future hasn't happened yet.
 
Flash said:
Who are those 16 people and why did they go to their state capitol on December 14 and cast 16 electoral votes for Biden?
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Those sixteen people delivered certificates, not votes. You should learn the difference. They do not become votes until they are read by the President of the Senate. Certificates can be swapped out, or simply withdrawn, at any time prior to January 6th (the date set by Congtress) by any State legislature that changes its mind.

Oh, some State legislatures have changed their minds.

Any other questions?
 
Flash said:
Not the DNC, I read the Constitution.
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Nope. That's the one source you are apparently prohibited from reading for comprehension.

Flash said:
I have serious doubts that you really believe this stuff.
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No you don't. You are absolutely certain that I read and understand the Constitution. You see that I quote it regularly to support every point while Leftists such as yourself simply deny, deny and deny some more.

I'm still waiting for one Leftist, any leftist at all, to post the text from the Constitution that specifies when any State Legislature somehow loses its plenary power to change its mind as to whose certificates it sends to be read on the date set by Congress.

I am still waiting.

If you really read the Constitution and understand it, then post the requested text.


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domer76 said:
Want to bet your future participation on this forum on those 306 votes, dumbshit?
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YET ANOTHER cowardly moron who needs me to promise to just go away.

Fuuk you. I have no intention of leaving you alone. I fully intend to continue toying with you and your dishonest ilk.

I will still be here. You, on the other hand, being as cowardly as you are will probably flee to the hills, never to return.

Loser.
 
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