Will Trump be Reelected via Electoral College or via 12th Amendment ?
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The state legislature sent two sets of electors?
You have been telling us electors do not vote until January 6. How could they have sent both sets of electors if the electors have not even voted yet?
IBDaMann
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I did not ask you to explain how anything works. I asked you to quote text from the Consitution that denies State legislatures their plenary power to choose their certificates' electors after some arbitrary point but prior to the January 6th date set by Congress.
If you cannot do that then you are wrong, i.e. the Constitution does not say what you claim it says.
Ergo, you have tipped your king and this game is over.
In addition to giving states the power to choose electors the Constitution also requires those electors to cast their ballots by the date set by Congress to meet in each state capitol and vote.
"The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President..."
The power of states to choose electors ends when those electors vote on December 14 (Dec 8). That power does not end on January 6 when those votes are counted.
In order to make any changes they are violating their own state laws/constitution which provides that the electors are chosen by popular vote.
It doesn't really matter since we both know the majority of the electoral votes will go to Biden-Harris.
IBDaMann
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I did not ask you to explain how anything works. I asked you to quote text from the Consitution that denies State legislatures their plenary power to choose their certificates' electors after some arbitrary point but prior to the January 6th date set by Congress.
If you cannot do that then you are wrong, i.e. the Constitution does not say what you claim it says.
Ergo, you have tipped your king and this game is over.
IBDaMann
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Yes. This date set by Congress is January 6th. They can change their minds up until this point.
Oh, and several State legislatures have changed their minds ... and it's prior to January 6th.
Dear Miss Halfwit, the Constitution provides, not "denies". In this case, it provides the mechanism for choosing a President. If you believe that mechanism provides state legislatures with the power to reverse on political or other grounds the will of the state's voters in a Presidential election, it's up to you to show it, and you don't show it with a witless assertion that legislatures have the power because the Constitution doesn't mention the matter.
In other words, the burden in this debate as in any debate (since you seem not to know how a debate works) is on you to demonstrate your claim before it falls to your opponent to show why you are wrong.
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Into the Night
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The governor does not have authority to choose electors in any State.
Into the Night
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He already did. RQAA (Repetitive Question Already Answered).
This is not a debate. There are no debates here. Just conversations. He has already demonstrated his claim. RQAA.
Iolo/Penderyn
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FHB, I'm afraid, to use the proper technical term - fucking half-witted bullshit!
You did not answer the question. Did the state legislature, which is not in session, choose the alternate slate of electors?
No, but the state legislature requires the governor to certify the electors chosen on December 14.
Into the Night
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I did answer the question. RQAA.
Into the Night
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Governors cannot choose electors. See Article II and the 12th amendment of the Constitution of the United States.
You completely ignore the constitutional mandate for electors to meet in their state capitols on the date set by Congress (12/14) to vote for president and vice president, count those votes, sign, seal, and certify those votes and send them to the president of the Senate.
The job of the state legislature was completed when they made the law describing how that state chooses electors. It gives them no additional role to change or replace those votes submitted by 12/14.
I missed it. Which post? Yes or no is simpler than RQAA. Did the Georgia state legislature appoint new electors to replace those chosen in the popular vote who cast their electoral votes on 12/14?
Could you provide a link to this information? I'm sure it made the news but I cannot find it.
Nobody said the governor chooses electors. The Constitution requires the state to certify the electoral votes cast 12/14.
Federal law dictates the governor certify those electoral votes.
"It shall be the duty of the executive of each State, as soon as practicable after the conclusion of the appointment of the electors in such State by the final ascertainment, under and in pursuance of the laws of such State providing for such ascertainment, to communicate by registered mail under the seal of the State to the Archivist of the United States a certificate of such ascertainment of the electors appointed, setting forth the names of such electors and the canvass or other ascertainment under the laws of such State of the number of votes given or cast for each person for whose appointment any and all votes have been given or cast;"
3 U.S. Code § 6 - Credentials of electors; transmission to Archivist of the United States and to Congress; public inspection
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/6
IBDaMann
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Hey Mr. Genius ... try following the conversation next time.
IBDaMann
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FHB, I'm afraid, to use the proper technical term - fucking half-witted bullshit!
This is a good example of what passed as a PhD in English, yes? Too funny.
IBDaMann
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They meet in their States, not necessarily in the capitols ... and the date established by Congress is January 6th.
Nope, wrong tense. They will be done for this election after January 6th.