Will Trump be Reelected via Electoral College or via 12th Amendment ?

The hubub on the 6th is DOA. Even if they waste several days doing this.

1. No facts
2. No law
3. Insufficient votes.

fait accompli

Proud boys will have to kidnap 12 D congressmen to make anything of consequence happen.
No dems are going to vote for Trump. Pence isn't going appoint himself. No alternate fake slate will be accepted for anything.
 
IBDaMann said:
Wow, you responded rather quickly, even before I could update my post. I'll see you ... well I guess Thursday ... so we can discuss it further.
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Just how fucked up does a person have to whine about a reply to a post they altered 9 minutes later? As fucked up as you, INT and gfm all put together?

Do you take medication? Have you ever been treated for a psychiatric condition? How long have you, INT and gfm been "friends"? Do you sleep together?
 
IBDaMann said:
There are many, many steps. The one that you are missing is what happens when a State legislature changes its mind prior to January 6th. It's like you blot it out of your mind entirely.

So rather than force yourself to abandon your denial entirely, just tune in in three days and see. Just don't ask "Why didn't anyone ever tell me?"


Once again, you need a refresher in tense. We do not know how all the States will vote on January 6th.

How will reconcile Biden not receiving 306 electoral votes? Serious question? Will you post "IBDaMann, you were right ... I totally confused tenses and presumed that the future had already occurred!"?

Biden won't be receiving 306 electoral votes.
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I don't have a problem with tense because you fail to understand that the December 14 vote was the electoral college vote and we already know how those states votes. Unless some of those votes are overturned that should be the final results. I can't guarantee 306 but if not it will be close. You also fail to understand that once the Constitution required states to cast their electoral votes on Dec 14 the role of the states is over and they no longer have any power to exercise.

No, but I will post "IBDMann, you were right in that a state legislature can change its electoral votes after the electoral college voted on December 14."

Will you post "Flash, you were right. The electoral votes were cast Dec 14 and Jan 6 is the day they were counted and certified. States had no power to change their votes after certified by their state"

So far, I have seen no action from any state legislature to change the electors or their votes. If it is not done by the legislature it is unconstitutional according to your legal reasoning. So, Trump asking to change the votes is not constitutionally possible since the legislature already chose the electors.
 
IBDaMann said:
Even better, Georgia sent Republican electors' ballots along with the Democrat elector ballots in case they change their mind ... which they can do at any point prior to the January 6th vote.
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They sent Republican and Democratic electoral votes? To send the electoral votes that obviously means the electors have already voted. You keep claiming they don't vote until Jan 6.

Did the Legislature send those Republican ballots? If not, they don't count because only the Democratic ballots have been certified and counted according to state law.
 
Flash said:
They sent Republican and Democratic electoral votes? To send the electoral votes that obviously means the electors have already voted. You keep claiming they don't vote until Jan 6.

Did the Legislature send those Republican ballots? If not, they don't count because only the Democratic ballots have been certified and counted according to state law.
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The problem with the Republican electoral votes is that they aren’t certified or legal.
 
Into the Night said:
Electors don't vote on Dec 14th. That is done on Jan 6th. Even then, that may not decide the President.
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"The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President,"

Who were these people and what were they voting for on Dec 14? It says "electors" and "vote by ballot".
 
Phantasmal said:
The problem with the Republican electoral votes is that they aren’t certified or legal.
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Right. They were just the Republican electors who cast their ballots hoping Trump's lawsuit in Fulton County is successful. I don't even think they were forwarded to Congress. There is no competing electoral slate for Congress to consider.

I think IBDaMan and Into the Night and Smarter than You all know this although they/he (I don't know the pronoun of choice) do deny large swaths of constitutional law if they disagree with the court decisions. They just need to argue and make claims until the end. Some think they are "scaring" other posters into believing Trump still has a chance.
 
Micawber said:
The hubub on the 6th is DOA. Even if they waste several days doing this.

1. No facts
2. No law
3. Insufficient votes.

fait accompli

Proud boys will have to kidnap 12 D congressmen to make anything of consequence happen.
No dems are going to vote for Trump. Pence isn't going appoint himself. No alternate fake slate will be accepted for anything.
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Trying to put the future in the past tense again? :D
 
Flash said:
I don't have a problem with tense
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Yes you do.
Flash said:
because you fail to understand that the December 14 vote was the electoral college vote
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Nope. Jan 6th. That is in the future, not the past.
Flash said:
and we already know how those states votes.
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No, you don't.
Flash said:
Unless some of those votes are overturned that should be the final results.
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You cannot overturn what has not happened.
Flash said:
I can't guarantee 306 but if not it will be close.
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Speculation.
Flash said:
You also fail to understand that once the Constitution required states to cast their electoral votes on Dec 14
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Never did. See Article II and the 12th amendment.
Flash said:
the role of the states is over and they no longer have any power to exercise.
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Yes the do. See Article II and the 12th amendment.
Flash said:
So far, I have seen no action from any state legislature to change the electors or their votes.
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Seven States so far have filed Contested. GA, MI, WI, PA, AZ, NV, and NM.
Flash said:
If it is not done by the legislature it is unconstitutional according to your legal reasoning.
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His reasoning is correct. See Article II and the 12th amendment.
Flash said:
So, Trump asking to change the votes
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You can't change what hasn't occurred.
Flash said:
is not constitutionally possible since the legislature already chose the electors.
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Nope. They have not in at least seven States.
 
Flash said:
They sent Republican and Democratic electoral votes? To send the electoral votes that obviously means the electors have already voted. You keep claiming they don't vote until Jan 6.
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Which electors?
Flash said:
Did the Legislature send those Republican ballots? If not, they don't count because only the Democratic ballots have been certified and counted according to state law.
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Nope. At least seven States have filed Contested.
 
Flash said:
"The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President,"

Who were these people and what were they voting for on Dec 14? It says "electors" and "vote by ballot".
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Jan 6th is when the vote is taken.
 
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