Winners and Losers from a Fiscal-Cliff Deal

Jarod said:
Ive dont failry well. I dont invest much... but when I do I generally do okay. I was out of the market in 2007, My GE went way up before I sold, I sold my Gold about 16 months ago at a nice profit. Ive been out lately, simply because I did not have much time to mess with it, but I might get back in soon as I expect we will have a reasonable DOW year. I usually do a modified Dogs of the Dow stragety. I keep a percentage in Municipal bonds incase I ever lose my ability to make an income.
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So then, as long as you were out you were not making up for the interest expense?
 
Superfreak said:
So then, as long as you were out you were not making up for the interest expense?
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Oh, I dont do that with my mortgage money. I simply pay my mortgage. I have some equity, about $100,000, but I dont have enough to mess with borrowing from it at this time.

True, I was out of the stock market, not out completly. Some was in a money market and some was in muni bonds. Like I said, its not a major focus of mine, I just get involved for fun. When I dont have time the money sits in Municipal Bonds or a money market.

Luckily inflation was pretty flat while I was out.
 
Jarod said:
Oh, I dont do that with my mortgage money. I simply pay my mortgage. I have some equity, about $100,000, but I dont have enough to mess with borrowing from it at this time.

True, I was out of the stock market, not out completly. Some was in a money market and some was in muni bonds. Like I said, its not a major focus of mine, I just get involved for fun. When I dont have time the money sits in Municipal Bonds or a money market.

Luckily inflation was pretty flat while I was out.
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So you have a mortgage because you have to. The point Jarod is that you were mocking those who chose to pay off their mortgage and proclaimed that it was because they couldn't 'invest/save properly'. That is pure nonsense.

My point on you being out of the market is that for those trying to do what you proclaimed they should be doing, were either IN the market getting kicked in the teeth in 2007/2008 or they were out of the market and not likely earning enough to keep up with their interest rates.

Even with Muni bonds you take risks. Default risk, interest rate risk, inflation risk. The degree of each varies based on what muni you go into, but there is always risk. Once you pay off your home, you eliminate many of the risks with that asset that you are dwelling in.
 
I Love America said:
What I mean by a "living document" are people sitting around altering its meaning WITHOUT the Amendment process but using the term "living document" to justify their ends. If that is what you mean, then no it is not a living document. For example, when the right to privacy was found in the US Constitution by the Supreme Court to back up Roe v Wade it was done so under the auspices of a living document. Before that time, no right to privacy was ever guarenteed under the US Constitution.
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When your original premise is in error, you lose the argument.

Roe vs. Wade was not the first case to guarantee the right to privacy.

Additionally, the right to privacy is implied by the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 9th, and 14th Amendment (Due Process Clause). The Founding Fathers addressed the need to privacy and, to a larger extent, addressed the need for the Constitution to be a "living document".

" The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

The SCOTUS is empowered with certain checks and balances of the Executive Branch and Legislative Branch. Their purpose is to interpret the Constitution as a living document through judicial review.

You can't argue that.
 
bravo said:
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I'll bet the Pinhead pRune was trying to make a profound point here....I wonder what the hell is was......

pRunes response is beyond inane and past stupid, into the realm of the mentally ill.....
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The point was simple but so are you.
 
apple0154 said:
It's not fallacious, at all. 45,000 people die every year from a lack of medical coverage. Surely you've read about people having to choose between food and medication. How many lives are shortened because of that?
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Interesting how the numbers have doubled since OBAMADONTCARE!

45000 is fuck all.
What about the 300million plus who do the right thing and buy insurance!
You know, the responsible workers who do the right( adult) thing!
The ones Sotoro/Dunham/Obama has targeted for punitive taxation/policies.

Those who don't do the right thing are fucking lazy fucks.
They die only because they are lazy!
Fuck em!!
Stop punishing the motivated worker Mr lying piece of shit, lower than a dogs cunt, lying fucker, Barry Sotoro/Dunham/Obama or whatever alias you are using this week.
 
007 said:
Interesting how the numbers have doubled since OBAMADONTCARE!

45000 is fuck all.
What about the 300million plus who do the right thing and buy insurance!
You know, the responsible workers who do the right( adult) thing!
The ones Sotoro/Dunham/Obama has targeted for punitive taxation/policies.

Those who don't do the right thing are fucking lazy fucks.
They die only because they are lazy!
Fuck em!!
Stop punishing the motivated worker Mr lying piece of shit, lower than a dogs cunt, lying fucker, Barry Sotoro/Dunham/Obama or whatever alias you are using this week.
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Three hundred million Americans buy health insurance?

Where did you come up with that number?
 
007 said:
Interesting how the numbers have doubled since OBAMADONTCARE!

45000 is fuck all.
What about the 300million plus who do the right thing and buy insurance!
You know, the responsible workers who do the right( adult) thing!
The ones Sotoro/Dunham/Obama has targeted for punitive taxation/policies.

Those who don't do the right thing are fucking lazy fucks.
They die only because they are lazy!
Fuck em!!
Stop punishing the motivated worker Mr lying piece of shit, lower than a dogs cunt, lying fucker, Barry Sotoro/Dunham/Obama or whatever alias you are using this week.
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Get a grip, 007.

Why do you oppose helping others? It's gets tiring hearing "I work harder than they do". If you think they're lazy then offer them a job and see if they show up for work. Easy solution. :)
 
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