Woman arrested for refusing pat-down

apple0154 said:
Then I suggest you don't buy airline tickets.
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I WILL travel in the means I determine best for my purposes. I will NOT submit to unreasonable searches to do so. If my stance prevents me from exercising my right to travel, then I will be one of those whom the ACLU is already representing.

However, I am fortunate enough to live in an area where the extreme measures you so gladly support are not in place, and TSA agents are controlled. State regulations make sure of that. When I return I deliberately choose to embark from small regional airports for the same reason: your pet tyranny hasn't gotten around to fucking them up yet.

Meanwhile, I am involved in a strong advocacy movement urging people to not submit to the tyranny, to resist as much as possible, and make it so continuation of these bullshit policies becomes more trouble than they can manage. THAT is what it means to be FREE. Too bad you haven't a foggy fucking clue what freedom even means.
 
Mojo said:
What do you use for identification?
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There are millions of people, most of whom live in highly urbanized areas, who choose to not drive or own their own car. They generally use public transit exclusively. (ie: they choose a method other than driving to exercise their RIGHT to use public roadways.)
 
Mojo said:
..."Claire Hirschkind, 56, who says she is a rape victim and who has a pacemaker-type device implanted in her chest, says her constitutional rights were violated. She says she never broke any laws. But the Transportation Security Administration disagrees.

Hirschkind was hoping to spend Christmas with friends in California, but she never made it past the security checkpoint.

"I can't go through because I have the equivalent of a pacemaker in me," she said.

Hirschkind said because of the device in her body, she was led to a female TSA employee and three Austin police officers. She says she was told she was going to be patted down.

"I turned to the police officer and said, 'I have given no due cause to give up my constitutional rights. You can wand me,'" and they said, 'No, you have to do this,'" she said.

Hirschkind agreed to the pat down, but on one condition.

"I told them, 'No, I'm not going to have my breasts felt,' and she said, 'Yes, you are,'" said Hirschkind.

When Hirschkind refused, she says that "the police actually pushed me to the floor, (and) handcuffed me. I was crying by then. They drug me 25 yards across the floor in front of the whole security."

An ABIA spokesman says it is TSA policy that anyone activating a security alarm has two options. One is to opt out and not fly, and the other option is to subject themselves to an enhanced pat down. Hirschkind refused both and was arrested..."



http://www.kvue.com/news/local/Woma...ter-refusing-enhanced-pat-down-112354199.html
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This is what we call a free country?

I don't fly anymore, and haven't in about 10 years.
 
Good Luck said:
There are millions of people, most of whom live in highly urbanized areas, who choose to not drive or own their own car. They generally use public transit exclusively. (ie: they choose a method other than driving to exercise their RIGHT to use public roadways.)
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I am aware of that, thanks.

My question was addressed to "SmarterThanYou" and he explained.

The gist was that we are required to produce a vaild ID in some circumstances, and I wondered what he uses since has said he hasn't had a license to drive in 20 years.

I do also wonder if he drives.
 
Good Luck said:
I WILL travel in the means I determine best for my purposes. I will NOT submit to unreasonable searches to do so. If my stance prevents me from exercising my right to travel, then I will be one of those whom the ACLU is already representing.

However, I am fortunate enough to live in an area where the extreme measures you so gladly support are not in place, and TSA agents are controlled. State regulations make sure of that. When I return I deliberately choose to embark from small regional airports for the same reason: your pet tyranny hasn't gotten around to fucking them up yet.

Meanwhile, I am involved in a strong advocacy movement urging people to not submit to the tyranny, to resist as much as possible, and make it so continuation of these bullshit policies becomes more trouble than they can manage. THAT is what it means to be FREE. Too bad you haven't a foggy fucking clue what freedom even means.
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If your definition of freedom is driving to out-of-the-way airports to avoid searches by all means carry on. By paying extra gas or taxi fare I guess that's what people mean by the expression "Freedom isn't free". :)
 
Mojo said:
I am aware of that, thanks.

My question was addressed to "SmarterThanYou" and he explained.

The gist was that we are required to produce a vaild ID in some circumstances, and I wondered what he uses since has said he hasn't had a license to drive in 20 years.
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this is somewhat incorrect. The only situations I'm aware of that REQUIRE a photo ID is financial transactions at a bank or in dealing with some government business. Most people just assume that a cop can demand a picture ID if you are being detained and this is incorrect. What you MUST provide is at least your name and address or birthdate. It is up to the officer in question at that time if he needs to arrest you for further identification and he does have that power.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
this is somewhat incorrect. The only situations I'm aware of that REQUIRE a photo ID is financial transactions at a bank or in dealing with some government business. Most people just assume that a cop can demand a picture ID if you are being detained and this is incorrect. What you MUST provide is at least your name and address or birthdate. It is up to the officer in question at that time if he needs to arrest you for further identification and he does have that power.
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Two questions:

What part of "in some circumstances" do you deem "incorrect"?

What will you do if a police officer stops you while you are driving?
 
Mojo said:
Two questions:

What part of "in some circumstances" do you deem "incorrect"?
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already answered

Mojo said:
What will you do if a police officer stops you while you are driving?
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i've been stopped 3 times in 20 years. I've handed them my state ID. The one time I actually did get a ticket, I had the charges dismissed because the cop didn't show up in court. The other two, I was asked not to drive anymore. That may have had something to do with the cops knowing who I was by my gun rights advocacy on the news and in the papers.
 
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