Wonder how many Chick-fil-a won over to the 'other' side?

[j-mac]

They do so all the time.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/2...cratic-Party-?odyssey=nav|head&nclick_check=1

Oh, very cute. So, lock step is how liberals operate, and all the preaching about so called tolerance, and acceptance of ideas, and the "not all libs are the same" meme are just Bull...Thanks for admitting that.

 

[Disillusioned]

First of all, it wasn't a "speech" and it wasn't an "announcement." I've seen liberals make this error over and over again, and it's important to note, the man was being interviewed by a Christian publication... you know, "interview" ....that thing where they ask you questions? And Christian publication, you know... those people who believe the Bible condemns homosexuality?

And I've not seen any "anti-Gay demonstrations" ...can you provide some evidence this took place? What I saw was Mike Huckabee arranged an "Appreciation Day" for Chick-Fil-a, in support of Cathy's right to freedom of religion and freedom of speech... nothing to do with "anti-gay" anything.

I'll answer the second paragraph first because it's easier. I meant I'm Pro gay marriage. and I'm anti Gay demonstrations.

Now the first part, he made a public statement that was being published. It wasn't a private comment to a friend, it was his very public position, and it's still arrogant and missed out on the point.

 

[Granule]

Using that analogy, every Chick Fil A store employee should be fired for spreading the company's hate and bigotry. *rollseyes*

For supporting traditional marriage? Pull your head out of your ass.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

For supporting traditional marriage? Pull your head out of your ass.

Howie can't do that; because it would result in a vaccuum that would cause an inverse reaction, which would destroy the world he's created for himself.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

I'll answer the second paragraph first because it's easier. I meant I'm Pro gay marriage. and I'm anti Gay demonstrations.

Now the first part, he made a public statement that was being published. It wasn't a private comment to a friend, it was his very public position, and it's still arrogant and missed out on the point.

So nobody emerged cleanly from this. Pro Gay marriage, anti Gay demonstrations.

You make it sound as if the two positions are pro gay marriage, and anti-gay. No one was against Gay demonstrations, that I am aware. Did Cathy say he favored a ban on Gay demonstrations or something? NO! There has been no complaint of gays demonstrating made by Cathy or Chick-Fil-a.

No, he did not make a statement. He responded to a question. These are two entirely different things, in my opinion. That's the first thing, and secondly... since when is he not allowed to state his opinion in America? He happens to hold the same opinion as most of America on this, but even if he didn't... did we pass some law that people can't express their opinions? And what exactly WAS his opinion? That he hires people who have Christian values? That he believes in the Biblical interpretation of marriage? Excuse me, but I am completely missing the intolerant hate there!

Nothing he said warranted the reaction generated PURPOSEFULLY by the Left!

We've never been a nation to quibble over people's personal faith, when doing day to day business, in day to day conversations. Some people wouldn't buy Ford cars because Henry Ford wasn't a Christian. So don't buy chicken sandwiches from Chick-Fil-a because the owner IS a Christian... I am fine with that, but don't set out to destroy him through the media and social networking, simply because he holds the beliefs he holds. All he did was give an honest answer to a question in an interview with a Christian magazine, what was the man supposed to do, lie? Dance around like some politician giving some contrived PC answer? What the fuck? WHY THE HELL CAN'T THE MAN EXPRESS HIS RELIGIOUS VIEWPOINT IN FUCKING AMERICA? That's all I want to know?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Howie can't do that; because it would result in a vaccuum that would cause an inverse reaction, which would destroy the world he's created for himself.

GEE, I must have struck a nerve; because Howie decided to groan me.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

 

[Disillusioned]

All he did was give an honest answer to a question in an interview with a Christian magazine, what was the man supposed to do, lie? Dance around like some politician giving some contrived PC answer? What the fuck? WHY THE HELL CAN'T THE MAN EXPRESS HIS RELIGIOUS VIEWPOINT IN FUCKING AMERICA? That's all I want to know?

Mostly because it's a prickish opinion. He doesn't have to like gay people, he doesn't have to support them, but the "god's judgement" argument holds less water than a swiss cheese. As for his answer he could have simply said, "No I don't support Gay marriage." Simple, demonstrates his position and is unlikely to offend sensible people. Please note the word sensible in there. Beyond that I have no problem with people being religious as long as they keep it to themselves and don't involve me in it. Go to church whenever you please, whatever church you want, believe what you want but as soon as you start trying to push theology on me I'm going to push back. Don't come knocking on my door, don't tell me about the good news and don't ask me if I'm prepared to go to hell when I die.



I've been to hell, it's called Berkeley California and no I don't want to go back

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Mostly because it's a prickish opinion. He doesn't have to like gay people, he doesn't have to support them, but the "god's judgement" argument holds less water than a swiss cheese. As for his answer he could have simply said, "No I don't support Gay marriage." Simple, demonstrates his position and is unlikely to offend sensible people. Please note the word sensible in there. Beyond that I have no problem with people being religious as long as they keep it to themselves and don't involve me in it. Go to church whenever you please, whatever church you want, believe what you want but as soon as you start trying to push theology on me I'm going to push back. Don't come knocking on my door, don't tell me about the good news and don't ask me if I'm prepared to go to hell when I die.

I've been to hell, it's called Berkeley California and no I don't want to go back

I have to wonder if you even READ what you post, it's almost as if you contradict yourself in the same thought process. Uncanny!

So now we can destroy people in the public arena because they express a "prickish" opinion? He never said he didn't like gay people. He never said he did or didn't support Gay Marriage, he simply said he supports the Biblical interpretation of marriage. He did not present an argument, he was asked a question and gave an answer, and from THAT... you are presuming an argument for him, and attributing to him, things the man simply didn't say.

BUT SO FUCKING WHAT IF HE DID??? Even IF every horrid and gawd-awful thing you've claimed about this man were true, why doesn't he have the right to honestly give his opinion? Yeah, he could have 'simply said' a LOT of things, he DIDN'T... SO FUCKING WHAT? He's not some CZAR that is going to condemn homosexuality by this decree! He has absolutely no political power, just an everyday citizen who happens to own a chicken joint. He gave his opinion, you don't like it, don't buy his chicken! You do not have the right to speak for me by trying to shut him down financially or destroy him, and I have EVERY right to refuse to allow it.

 

[j-mac]

I have to wonder if you even READ what you post, it's almost as if you contradict yourself in the same thought process. Uncanny!

So now we can destroy people in the public arena because they express a "prickish" opinion? He never said he didn't like gay people. He never said he did or didn't support Gay Marriage, he simply said he supports the Biblical interpretation of marriage. He did not present an argument, he was asked a question and gave an answer, and from THAT... you are presuming an argument for him, and attributing to him, things the man simply didn't say.

BUT SO FUCKING WHAT IF HE DID??? Even IF every horrid and gawd-awful thing you've claimed about this man were true, why doesn't he have the right to honestly give his opinion? Yeah, he could have 'simply said' a LOT of things, he DIDN'T... SO FUCKING WHAT? He's not some CZAR that is going to condemn homosexuality by this decree! He has absolutely no political power, just an everyday citizen who happens to own a chicken joint. He gave his opinion, you don't like it, don't buy his chicken! You do not have the right to speak for me by trying to shut him down financially or destroy him, and I have EVERY right to refuse to allow it.

Absolutely. And what is worse is that the MSM, and liberals MADE this into a distraction for the election....

Gay Marriage Plank Will Be In Democratic Party Platform At Convention

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...tion_n_1720030.html?utm_hp_ref=elections-2012

Now why do I say this is made up, or pure faux outrage meant to distract? Well it is simple, the original interview was given to the Baptist publication, 'Biblical Recorder' earlier this year...

The comment sparking the uproar came when Cathy told an interviewer from Biblical Recorder, a religious publication, that he supports "the biblical definition of the family unit," which many regard as opposing gay marriage.

http://www.ajc.com/business/handling-pr-the-debate-1491117.html

Now, in a normal course of the day, any day, what would it matter who said what to a religious monthly magazine, outside those that read it that is? The answer is nothing. This is a manufactured outrage at a private business owner, hyperbolically drummed up to do two things as a main effect.

1. To draw attention off Obama's failure of the past three months in particular, with the gaffs, the piss poor employment numbers, the failed foreign policy, and the investigations.

2. To paint the political opponents of Obama as intolerant, bigoted, backward buffoons that couldn't find their ass with both hands if they tried, much less run the country better than Dear Leader.

And to a much lesser degree, (except maybe in here) an opportunity to lash out, call names, and destroy property.

In the end nothing will change. I don't see the advocates of Gay Marriage starting any actual change, and neither will Obama. This is pure deflection, and distraction....

23 million unemployed'
U6 above 15%
Hispanic unemployment over 11%
Black Unemployment over 14%
Youth Unemployment over 26%
Trillions spent, and wasted on crony's
Subsidizing enemies in the ME while cold shouldering our allies like Israel
No leadership in the past 4 years coming out of the White House.

this is laughable.

 

[canceled.2021.1]

I'm sure the Westboro Baptist Church knows how that works.

another organization started by a democrat. why is it the democrat party has such a long history of starting hateful, bigoted groups yet claim to be a party of tolerance?

odd dontcha think?

 

[canceled.2021.1]

Using that analogy, every Chick Fil A store employee should be fired for spreading the company's hate and bigotry. *rollseyes*

The sad thing is that intolerant leftists like you throw around the words "hate and bigotry" so often that they lose their meaning. I don't give a shit if some two bit leftist such as you calls me a bigot. You think because I wont' go along with every hair brained leftist boondoggle that makes me a bigot. It is going to take a lot more than some dipshit left winger on a message board to get me to change my principles. You have to do better than calling me a bigot. I wear it as a badge of pride from the likes of you. I have been called worse by better people

My side is winning. Your side is 0-31 when it comes to queers marrying when real Americans are allowed to express their beliefs. Seems like more Americans are on my side than yours. Even in loony left wing Commiefornistan.

 

[canceled.2021.1]

And no, Jughead, I don't mean how many gays were turned straight.

I'm sure some militant bean counter tracks desertions and defections, but they'll never tell. It would be pretty embarrassing to admit, but I'll just about bet it's the case. What are you talking about Dixie? Only the best 'tool' Christianity has in her tool box... walking the walk! Witnessing by exhibition of Christian values. For a week, Chick-Fil-a and it's founder, Dan Cathy, were scorned and called the most vile hateful names, because the man shocked liberals by coming out against homosexual marriage. Protests ensued, culminating in a "kiss-in" Friday at restaurants across America.

Through it all, the employees and management of Chick-Fil-a have shown total class and Christian love, offering free water to the protesters, going above and beyond to make sure they were treated with respect and served as pleasantly as every other customer. Nowhere did we see any altercations, except for the isolated cases where activists tried to harass drive-thru attendants and such. Even then, they couldn't bluster up even a hint of altercation, the Chick-Fil-a employees just smiled and asked if there was anything at all they needed.

Now you have to think from a psychological standpoint on this, and there have indeed been tests to support it, but don't you suppose, out of the thousands of people who started out protesting Chick-Fil-a, some of them were moved by what they experienced? The pure grace and love shown by these exceptional fast food workers, HAD to have an influence on people, if they had anything near an open mind. How many protesters realized these people were not the evil hate-filled monsters they had been led to believe? How many people gained a new-found respect for Christians, through the actions of Chick-Fil-a? I think it may have been more than a few.

The REAL story here is not how this whole thing backfired on the liberal left, or how many people showed up to support Cathy, but how many people were moved down deep inside, by the Christian example set by these amazing people? I wonder how many now have a different understanding today, of Christians in general? The left will never admit it, but rest assured, there were some who's minds were changed.

This really is a silly premise. Nobody should be looking at this as a conversion to Christianity. This wasn't about Christianity. This was about freedom of speech. Stop trying to conflate the two

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Absolutely. And what is worse is that the MSM, and liberals MADE this into a distraction for the election....

Yep, and I have said all along, this was going to be THE strategy for the Dems! They are going to constantly try to fracture the GOP moderate/secular-ish/libertarians, away from the more socially conservative evangelicals. Chip chip chip!

I've said all along, the moderate/secular-ish/libertarian types need to have a 'come to Jesus moment' ...pun intended. Whereby a core conservative argument can be centered around our freedoms and liberties, and respectful of our religious heritage and tradition. There is nothing to be ashamed of in standing for that. We don't have to wrap ourselves in religious dogma or take any great moralistic stand, that shouldn't be the federal government's role anyway. But we HAVE to incorporate a foundation of principled moral human values in order to develop a strong conservative message capable of greatness and triumph over Liberal Socialism.

Running from social conservatism like it's the plague, is not the solution. Embracing the idea that individuals in a free country, have the right to faith, and should be protected from persecution, not made the subject of it.... that is the answer.

 

[Haiku]

LOL.....

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

This really is a silly premise. Nobody should be looking at this as a conversion to Christianity. This wasn't about Christianity. This was about freedom of speech. Stop trying to conflate the two

I'm not conflating anything, and you are right, it was about his right to free speech... Still, what an opportunity for true Christianity to shine, huh?

I mean.... there it is, in your face, the way Christians behave and act... for the entire world to witness! And how did they do? Were they hateful and intolerant? Did they show lack of compassion or understanding? Nope... they handed out free water, and asked if anything else was needed!

I just think they set a VERY moving example for potentially MILLIONS of people, and I don't think that sort of thing happens without people being moved by it.

You're free to disagree with me, but it would seem the numbers alone would suggest that someone, somewhere, was changed by this.