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Darla
Are you drunk?
You made the claim not Damo. Can you name any of the "many" posters on here you state support genocide or not?
Wouldn't The Planet Be Better Without An Israel?
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Are you drunk?
You made the claim not Damo. Can you name any of the "many" posters on here you state support genocide or not?
tell that to the people killed on 9/11, oh wait you cannot
also, how many nuclear tipped missiles would it take to wipe out israel
of course if iran was so foolish as to do so, we would likely retaliate with missiles of our own
then the neoconservatives would be happy, we could turn the middle east in to a glass covered waste land...except for the oil fields of course
christiefan915
Catalyst
You do know that Israel has nukes too, don't you?
for many years now, but could they strike iran if iran launches a surprise attack
also, does israel have nuclear tipped medium or long range missiles
Annie
Not So Junior Member
That many here want, indeed advocate for the destruction of Israel and its people is my position. No question in my mind about that after x number of years of reading.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Israel is perhaps the most hated nation on the planet and in violation of more UN Resolutions than any nation in history .. and certainly considered one of, if not THE most dangerous nation.
Israel has nukes and Iran will acquire nukes whether we like it or not. They have every right to protect themselves from the monsters of zionists atrocities .. and before anyone reaches for the "antisemitism" bullshit .. it should be know that these are the sentiments of a plethora of jewish and israeli groups who also stand against evil of zionism.
christiefan915
Catalyst
I'll try to find out but for now here's an article I just located.
Who's Got the Nukes?
William Greider on September 12, 2012 - 2:48 PM ET
Israel’s prime minister is provoking another political dust storm over Iran’s nuclear ambitions, but US news stories once again fail to mention awkward facts that are the true linchpin for this threatening crisis. Israel itself already has the Bomb. It developed its own nuclear weapons several decades ago, but has never officially admitted as much. And unlike other nuclear powers, Israel has never signed anti-proliferation treaties, nor has it submitted its nuclear arsenal to regular inspections by international authorities.
Everyone knows this, at least the government officials on all sides do. Yet there seems to be a media taboo against sharing the information with the American public. Americans have a huge and dangerous stake in the matter. If things go wrong and Israel launches a pre-emptive unilateral strike against Iran, it would probably provoke retaliatory war-making by Iran. Like it or not, the United States could be pulled into yet another war in the Middle East to defend our ally. Shouldn’t people hear the whole story before the shooting starts?
Don’t take my word on this. Check out newspaper accounts in which Israeli officials complain that the United States has not been tough enough with Iran. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu blisters President Obama for failing to draw a bright “red line” against Iran’s efforts to develop a Bomb of its own. Netanyahu even accuses of Washington of “moral” failure for not standing up to the mullahs. His patrons in the Republican Party are grateful for the political intrusion.
But why does the press routinely ignore Israel’s nukes and its obvious military superiority? Perhaps because that would complicate and weaken Israel’s moral claims of self-defense. Furthermore, it could help explain why Iran might be eager to join the exclusive club of nuclear nations. Iran might say—if it ever told the truth about its motivations—that it is the nation in need of self-protection.
Without a nuke of its own, Iran and other neighboring Muslim nations will always see themselves as vulnerable to bullying and the threat of unilateral attack from Israel (as Israel is now again threatening). The claims and counterclaims on both sides are subject to dispute, but honest debate is unlikely to occur unless everyone acknowledges the same set of facts.
The media taboo was broken this week by columnist Bill Keller of the New York Times, formerly the Times executive editor. His op-ed asked polite questions and sought reasoned answers. Instead of demonizing the Iranian ayatollahs as crazed and suicidal, Keller concluded that it seems very unlikely a nuclear-armed Iran would use its nukes to destroy Israel. He did not say so explicitly, but he seemed to think Iran wants the Bomb to neutralize Israel’s superiority. It is a plausible conclusion.
“The regime in Iran is brutal, mendacious and meddlesome, and given to spraying gobbets of Hitleresque bile at the Jewish state,” Keller wrote. “But Israel is a nuclear power, backed by a bigger nuclear power [the United States]. Before an Iranian mushroom cloud had bloomed to its full height over Tel Aviv, a flock of reciprocal nukes would be on the way to incinerate Iran. Iran may encourage fanatic chumps to carry out suicide missions, but there is not the slightest reason to believe the mullahs themselves are suicidal.”
Keller has proposed an excellent subject for public debate. In this conflict, on which side does insanity reside?
http://www.thenation.com/blog/169883/whos-got-nukes#
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Darla
So many here want and advocate for The elimination of the Israeli people via genocide?? This is something that has leaked into your mind and you hold as a belief and therefore present it as a fact. Well. That says a lot. About you and your mind. Such a diseased and inhuman thought never crossed mine. I sincerely hope this is not projection, and you are not in fact confessing your own, again, diseased desires to exterminate the Muslim people.
But it is not a very realistic hope...
christiefan915
Catalyst
Don, here's an old article from Haaretz. Looks like they have both.
"Israel tested a dual-stage missile yesterday that defense officials say will improve the country's power of deterrence. Channel 10 television said Israel was working on a missile with a range of 4,000 kilometers.
The country's main ballistic missile threat is from Iran, which has advanced missiles as well as a nuclear program that many in the West believe could produce weapons in the future.
"Everybody can do the math and understand that the significance is that we can reach with a rocket engine to every point in the world," weapons expert Isaac Ben-Israel, a retired army general and Tel Aviv University professor who is now a member of the Knesset, told Channel 2 TV. "
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/missile-test-will-improve-deterrence-1.237555
"Israel tested a dual-stage missile yesterday that defense officials say will improve the country's power of deterrence. Channel 10 television said Israel was working on a missile with a range of 4,000 kilometers.
The country's main ballistic missile threat is from Iran, which has advanced missiles as well as a nuclear program that many in the West believe could produce weapons in the future.
"Everybody can do the math and understand that the significance is that we can reach with a rocket engine to every point in the world," weapons expert Isaac Ben-Israel, a retired army general and Tel Aviv University professor who is now a member of the Knesset, told Channel 2 TV. "
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/missile-test-will-improve-deterrence-1.237555
Annie is clearly brainwashed by her programers....
christiefan915
Catalyst
I think it's a roundabout way of saying that if we support Iran's right to have nuclear power, we tacitly want the elimination of Israel. You know, it's one of those arguments like "if you don't support the war, you don't support the troops."
Annie
Not So Junior Member
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Okay. However I suggest your read back over the years. But you won't. Hope the cluster keeps you warm, ignorant, and superior.
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Darla
Well, you may be right but taking into account my experience with right wingers I believe it's a confession.
christiefan915
Catalyst
I've been here 3-1/2 years and don't remember anything like what you suggest. So why don't you enlighten my ignorant self by naming names?
I have read over the years. I've also listened on CSPAN to information presented about what Israel is doing as policy. I've seen how their policy has changed into something unrecognizable and wonder how a people who have been so persecuted can turn around and visit persecution on others. How does that happen? Oh, the same way it does here...assassination and propaganda.
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the reality is, whether we support them or not, whether there is an israel or not, there will be regimes in the ME who always want for war. i think we should stop giving so much money to israel, egypt etc....or maybe no money. israel is just a convenient excuse.
Sometimes its the only way to deal with pinheads......the frustration with treating them civilly just isn't working....
Ha....when its YOU, its "freedom of association"...when its others, its called bigotry and discrimination and intolerance....odd how that works.
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I want to know, did Waterturd hack Annie's account here or something? Because the Annie I remember was fairly conservative and would have never posted anything like this. And I just read another thread where "Annie" says the election is over already, and Obama has a second term, might as well pack it in and get ready for the celebration! I'm sorry, but something smells rotten in Denmark here.