Wow...

I have a sneaky feeling there's more going on here then just this one comment by Williams. I can imagine no real news agencies would be thrilled about having one of their independent reporters also on the payroll of a propaganda organization like Faux News.

odd that a propaganda organization like NPR would suddenly care about his working for Fox given that he has worked for BOTH for over 10 years.
 
odd that a propaganda organization like NPR would suddenly care about his working for Fox given that he has worked for BOTH for over 10 years.

I saw a headline today that Juan thought NPR wanted to get rid of him for awhile; didn't read the article, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were just waiting for something to use as an excuse....
 

Says it all:

" What was Mr. Williams's sin? He admitted, with apparent chagrin, that he has engaged in a kind of racial profiling in the years since the Sept. 11 attacks: "When I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous." Mr. Williams then alluded to a declaration of war against America by convicted Times Square bomber Faisal Shahzad and added: "I don't think there's any way to get away from these facts."

In making this confession, Mr. Williams undoubtedly spoke for many Americans who are wrestling with similar feelings. His words could be offensive to some, if construed as an endorsement of negative stereotyping. But the full broadcast makes clear that Mr. Williams intended the opposite. To be sure, he struggled to get his point across, because host Bill O'Reilly kept interrupting him. But Mr. Williams did manage to observe that "we don't want in America, people to have their rights violated to be attacked on the street because they hear rhetoric from Bill O'Reilly and they act crazy."
 
Because your question is irrelevant. Just tell why you believe my comment is incorrect and I will address it.

lmao...my question really frightens you because you know by answering it your analogy to private schools fails on its face

its painfully obvious when you lose a point vis a vis a good question...you pull this stunt...its really a very simple question nigel, you running from it says a lot :)
 
NPR receives no direct funding from the federal government.

yeah... convenient that.... now lets talk about the CPB and funding from states, funding received from public universities etc....

Let's also take a look at how much CPB funds the member stations that in turn pay fees to NPR.

We can certainly make sure that NPR receives no indirect funding either.
 
yeah... convenient that.... now lets talk about the CPB and funding from states, funding received from public universities etc....

Let's also take a look at how much CPB funds the member stations that in turn pay fees to NPR.

We can certainly make sure that NPR receives no indirect funding either.
Go ahead, if you feel they abuse the money, work for change! I don't watch NPR anymore with the internet and cable available!
 
Go ahead, if you feel they abuse the money, work for change! I don't watch NPR anymore with the internet and cable available!

That is what is being done. The pathetic attempts by Nigel to pretend NPR isn't funded by the federal government is nothing short of complete absurdity.

The CPB DOES receive direct funding. about 70% of that funding goes to its network of stations who in turn pay fees to NPR. Without the federal money, NPR does not survive.

NPR was created at a time when there was limited exposure to the news. As you have stated, with the internet and cable available, there is NO need for a continued funding of CPB and thus NPR.
 
The only reason you don't think the comments are similar is because they expose a truth about the sentiment.

On some level, you're aware of it, which is why you avoided the Japanese internment discussion after you brought up the idea of saying the Japanese attacked us....

The reason I don't think the comments are similar is because they're not fucking similar! You are an idiotic moron who THINKS they are similar, because you want to believe everyone who doesn't suck liberal NPR ass is a bigoted racist.

"I am uncomfortable being in close proximity to black people."
--and--
"When I am boarding an airplane and see Muslims also boarding, it makes me nervous."

These are two entirely different comments, and mean entirely different things, and have entirely different rationales behind them. One is indicative of racial prejudice and bigotry, the other is a reasonable and justified concern, given recent historical events. How ANYONE could think the two comments are even remotely similar, is beyond me.

I didn't "avoid" the Japanese interment discussion, this thread isn't about that, so I didn't feel the need to contribute to a diversion of the topic to discuss it, but you want to talk about that? FINE! It was a socialist liberal DEMOCRAT who interned the Japanese Americans, precisely because of the "fears" Juan Williams was trying to say we should find a way to cope with!

Perhaps that is what's wrong with the left in this debate, you people are so FEARFUL of Muslims, that you will attack other fellow Americans and call them every name in the book, to avoid even mentioning the truth and the facts!
 
What is your point with this chart? That the percent from Universities (the public ones) should be reduced to ZERO? That the money from the CPB should be reduced to ZERO? That the 5.8% from federal state and local should be reduced to ZERO?

The point: I see comments like:"what part of national PUBLIC radio do you not understand", like it is a government agency...it's not.
 
I saw a headline today that Juan thought NPR wanted to get rid of him for awhile; didn't read the article, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were just waiting for something to use as an excuse....

I wouldn't doubt that at all.

Those fine upstanding individuals at media matters have been harping on NPR to fire anyone who also worked at Fox (or to force them to stop working at Fox).

Couple that little fact with the joint contributions to media matters and NPR by the king of Fox lovers George Soros....

yeah... the writing was on the wall.

Mara better watch her step as I said.... she would appear to be next.
 
The point: I see comments like:"what part of national PUBLIC radio do you not understand", like it is a government agency...it's not.

LMAO.... yet another parrot of the left. That said, you are correct to state it is not a government agency. Good catch... because I am pretty certain no one suggested it was a government agency. I have only seen some state that it is federally funded. Which it is... through the CPB.

Again... CPB IS directly funded by our tax dollars. 70% of that funding goes to the member stations who in turn pay their fees to NPR. To pretend NPR could survive without this money is absurd.
 
The reason I don't think the comments are similar is because they're not fucking similar! You are an idiotic moron who THINKS they are similar, because you want to believe everyone who doesn't suck liberal NPR ass is a bigoted racist.

"I am uncomfortable being in close proximity to black people."
--and--
"When I am boarding an airplane and see Muslims also boarding, it makes me nervous."

These are two entirely different comments, and mean entirely different things, and have entirely different rationales behind them. One is indicative of racial prejudice and bigotry, the other is a reasonable and justified concern, given recent historical events. How ANYONE could think the two comments are even remotely similar, is beyond me.

I didn't "avoid" the Japanese interment discussion, this thread isn't about that, so I didn't feel the need to contribute to a diversion of the topic to discuss it, but you want to talk about that? FINE! It was a socialist liberal DEMOCRAT who interned the Japanese Americans, precisely because of the "fears" Juan Williams was trying to say we should find a way to cope with!

Perhaps that is what's wrong with the left in this debate, you people are so FEARFUL of Muslims, that you will attack other fellow Americans and call them every name in the book, to avoid even mentioning the truth and the facts!

You brought up the Japanese.

The comments are the same, except that one cites blacks, and one cites Muslims. The essential meaning of both comments is the same; you can't see that because you tend to be very prejudiced about Muslims.
 
You brought up the Japanese.

The comments are the same, except that one cites blacks, and one cites Muslims. The essential meaning of both comments is the same; you can't see that because you tend to be very prejudiced about Muslims.

They are not even remotely close to being the same, and I've already explained why. I will not continue to repeat the same shit over and over with you. If you want to believe, in your rather limited mind, that the comments equate in any reasonable context, that is between you and your psychiatrist or publicist, whatever!

It's not prejudiced to admit the truth. If I say "blacks voted for Obama" that's not bigotry toward blacks, it's a factual statement of truth. It doesn't mean that every black person voted for Obama, some indeed voted for McCain, and it doesn't mean that only blacks voted for Obama, had that been the case, he couldn't have won the election. Still, it doesn't make the statement bigoted or inaccurate, blacks did vote for Obama. Muslims attacked us on 9/11, is a statement of fact, no one said that ALL Muslims attacked us, or that they are uncomfortable in the close proximity of ANY Muslim under ANY condition. Those are criteria you are assigning to the context which do not belong, and have no validity to the debate. You want to twist and distort the context to make some irrelevant point that can't be made otherwise, and it makes you a dishonest and unethical hack and liar.
 
They are not even remotely close to being the same, and I've already explained why. I will not continue to repeat the same shit over and over with you. If you want to believe, in your rather limited mind, that the comments equate in any reasonable context, that is between you and your psychiatrist or publicist, whatever!

It's not prejudiced to admit the truth. If I say "blacks voted for Obama" that's not bigotry toward blacks, it's a factual statement of truth. It doesn't mean that every black person voted for Obama, some indeed voted for McCain, and it doesn't mean that only blacks voted for Obama, had that been the case, he couldn't have won the election. Still, it doesn't make the statement bigoted or inaccurate, blacks did vote for Obama. Muslims attacked us on 9/11, is a statement of fact, no one said that ALL Muslims attacked us, or that they are uncomfortable in the close proximity of ANY Muslim under ANY condition. Those are criteria you are assigning to the context which do not belong, and have no validity to the debate. You want to twist and distort the context to make some irrelevant point that can't be made otherwise, and it makes you a dishonest and unethical hack and liar.

Your analogies are horrific.

What you're saying is this: it's not really prejudiced for someone to say "I'm suspicious of any Chrisitans I see because the KKK is a Christian group and there has been a lot of violence in the history of the KKK. Therefore, I'm suspicious of all Christians and worried about violence when I see them."
 
NPR receives no direct funding from the federal government.
:palm:Technically true.....but

NPR makes just over half of its money from the fees and dues it charges member stations to receive programming. Public funding accounts for 16% of the average member station's revenue, with 10% of this coming in the form of grants from CPB...a federally funded organization. Some more of that money originates from local and state governments and government-funded universities subsidizing member stations' fees and dues to NPR. Member stations that serve rural and "minority" communities receive significantly more funding from the CPB; in some cases up to 70%.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Public_Radio#Funding
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The taxpayer funds they get is "laundered" before it gets to NPR.
Also nice of far-left Democrat supporter, Soros, to "donate" almost 2 mil. to this ....liberal propaganda outlet.

Go ahead, if you feel they abuse the money, work for change! I don't watch NPR anymore with the internet and cable available!
:palm:
Soooo....you don't watch public radio anymore....I hardly ever watch the radio either.....

I was surprised, no shocked to find out he was a Fox contributor, can you tell I don't watch them!!!
:palm:
It kinda shows that you don't watch Fox....probably to busy watching the radio....
 
Your analogies are horrific.

What you're saying is this: it's not really prejudiced for someone to say "I'm suspicious of any Chrisitans I see because the KKK is a Christian group and there has been a lot of violence in the history of the KKK. Therefore, I'm suspicious of all Christians and worried about violence when I see them."
The fact that its 2010 and there is no large organized KKK terrorism, makes a statement like this prejudiced....

If there were Christians, under the banner of the KKK, bombing, killing, and terrorizing anyone to the degree Muslims are today, the statement would make more sense.

But then it was really the KKK, falsely under the banner of Christians that were the terrorists of history.....
 
The fact that its 2010 and there is no large organized KKK terrorism, makes a statement like this prejudiced....

If there were Christians, under the banner of the KKK, bombing, killing, and terrorizing anyone to the degree Muslims are today, the statement would make more sense.

But then it was really the KKK, falsely under the banner of Christians that were the terrorists of history.....

That's a poor defense.

To start with, I wouldn't have defended that statement even back when the KKK was committing violent acts on a more mass scale.

But even today, the KKK does engage in terrorism & violence, as do numerous other splinter groups under the guise of Christianity.

The "matter of degree" is inconsequential. I look at a group like the KKK, and understand that they are using Christianity as a crutch for the hate they preach; they are not representing mainstream Christians in any way, shape or form.
 
That's a poor defense.

To start with, I wouldn't have defended that statement even back when the KKK was committing violent acts on a more mass scale.

But even today, the KKK does engage in terrorism & violence, as do numerous other splinter groups under the guise of Christianity.

The "matter of degree" is inconsequential. I look at a group like the KKK, and understand that they are using Christianity as a crutch for the hate they preach; they are not representing mainstream Christians in any way, shape or form.

The group of Phelps Christians who protested at military funerals... was it ever considered inappropriate to say they were a "Christian group?" Did anyone ever get fired from their job for saying they were a "Christian church?" As I recall, that comment usually followed their official name, in every report on the group. It was never considered off-limits or inappropriate to refer to them as "Christians" even though they are radical extremists who do not reflect the views of most Christians in America.
 
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