There was TARP 1 and 2 BOTH OF WHICH WERE WRONG.
TARP 2 is the one that supposedly was created to help with mortgage backed securities and has been a total failure~
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There was TARP 1 and 2 BOTH OF WHICH WERE WRONG.
TARP 2 is the one that supposedly was created to help with mortgage backed securities and has been a total failure~
One of the most popular stories on The New York Times web site right now is a about a new poll that takes a look at the demographics of supporters of the Tea Party movement. They tend to be white, male, married, Republican, older than 45, wealthier and more educated than the general public.
Marginalizing without the facts a stupid liberal ploy~
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So the NYT and CBS are credible when they bolster your talking points?
What changed, I wonder, between the April poll whose outcomes you liked and this:
A March Harris Poll finds that support for the Tea Party movement has declined somewhat.
From May through October last year the Harris Poll found that 45% or 44% of all adults supported the Tea Party movement. That slipped to 39% in January and to 37% in February. In May last year fully 21% of adults said that they supported the movement strongly. These strong Tea Party supporters declined to 17% late last year and dropped to 14% in February.
The poll also provides a demographic profile of Tea Party supporters, which shows that:
- There are more strong Tea Party supporters in the East (20%) than in the other regions, but if all Tea Party supporters are counted they are more common in the South (43%) than in the other regions and least likely to be in the West (32%);
- A much higher proportion (49%) of people over 65 than of Baby Boomers (36%) and younger generations (37% of Gen X, aged 35-46 and 34% of Echo Boomers, aged 18-34) are Tea Party supporters;
- Men are much more likely than women (47% vs. 29%) to be Tea Party supporters and to be strong Tea Party supporters (21% vs. 8%);
- Only a very few African Americans (8%) are Tea Party supporters compared to 42% of whites and 37% of Hispanics;
- Fully 70% of Republicans are Tea Party supporters and 26% of them are strong supporters. More surprisingly perhaps Tea Party supporters include 17% of Democrats and 38% of Independents;
- There is a strong correlation between support for the Tea Party and (not having) education. Supporters include 43% of those who never went to college, 36% of people with some college education but no degree, 33% of college graduates and 26% of those with a post graduate degree.
Harris Poll
Fully 70% of Republicans are Tea Party supporters and 26% of them are strong supporters. More surprisingly perhaps Tea Party supporters include 17% of Democrats and 38% of Independents;
Tea Party support is lowest (29%) among those with household incomes of less than $35,000 but is not correlated with income among the rest of the population. However the largest proportion (24%) who are strong supporters are found among those with household incomes of between $50,000 an $75,000; and,
Most Conservatives (69%) are Tea Party supporters and almost a third of them (31%) are strong supporters. However substantial minorities of moderates (27%) and liberals (20%) are also supporters.
Must be the reason for education score discrepancies between polls~
Fully 70% of Republicans are Tea Party supporters and 26% of them are strong supporters. More surprisingly perhaps Tea Party supporters include 17% of Democrats and 38% of Independents;
Tea Party support is lowest (29%) among those with household incomes of less than $35,000 but is not correlated with income among the rest of the population. However the largest proportion (24%) who are strong supporters are found among those with household incomes of between $50,000 an $75,000; and,
Most Conservatives (69%) are Tea Party supporters and almost a third of them (31%) are strong supporters. However substantial minorities of moderates (27%) and liberals (20%) are also supporters.
Must be the reason for education score discrepancies between polls~
Harris poll cannot calculate sampling errors...hummmm-go figure~
Sampling error Harris poll
Methodology
This Harris Poll was conducted online within the United States between February 14 to 21, 2011 among 3,171 adults (aged 18 and over). Figures for age, sex, race/ethnicity, education, region and household income were weighted where necessary to bring them into line with their actual proportions in the population. Propensity score weighting was also used to adjust for respondents' propensity to be online.
All sample surveys and polls, whether or not they use probability sampling, are subject to multiple sources of error which are most often not possible to quantify or estimate, including sampling error, coverage error, error associated with nonresponse, error associated with question wording and response options, and post-survey weighting and adjustments. Therefore, Harris Interactive avoids the words "margin of error" as they are misleading. All that can be calculated are different possible sampling errors with different probabilities for pure, unweighted, random samples with 100% response rates. These are only theoretical because no published polls come close to this ideal.
Respondents for this survey were selected from among those who have agreed to participate in Harris Interactive surveys. The data have been weighted to reflect the composition of the adult population. Because the sample is based on those who agreed to participate in the Harris Interactive panel, no estimates of theoretical sampling error can be calculated.
Sampling error New York Times/CBS News poll.
The nationwide telephone poll was conducted April 5 through April 12 with 1,580 adults. For the purposes of analysis, Tea Party supporters were oversampled, for a total of 881, and then weighted to their proper proportion in the poll. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points for all adults and for Tea Party supporters.
Sampling error Harris poll
Methodology
This Harris Poll was conducted online within the United States between February 14 to 21, 2011 among 3,171 adults (aged 18 and over). Figures for age, sex, race/ethnicity, education, region and household income were weighted where necessary to bring them into line with their actual proportions in the population. Propensity score weighting was also used to adjust for respondents' propensity to be online.
All sample surveys and polls, whether or not they use probability sampling, are subject to multiple sources of error which are most often not possible to quantify or estimate, including sampling error, coverage error, error associated with nonresponse, error associated with question wording and response options, and post-survey weighting and adjustments. Therefore, Harris Interactive avoids the words "margin of error" as they are misleading. All that can be calculated are different possible sampling errors with different probabilities for pure, unweighted, random samples with 100% response rates. These are only theoretical because no published polls come close to this ideal.
Respondents for this survey were selected from among those who have agreed to participate in Harris Interactive surveys. The data have been weighted to reflect the composition of the adult population. Because the sample is based on those who agreed to participate in the Harris Interactive panel, no estimates of theoretical sampling error can be calculated.
Sampling error New York Times/CBS News poll.
The nationwide telephone poll was conducted April 5 through April 12 with 1,580 adults. For the purposes of analysis, Tea Party supporters were oversampled, for a total of 881, and then weighted to their proper proportion in the poll. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points for all adults and for Tea Party supporters.
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Does this mean you won't be quoting any Harris polls in future?
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When Harris Polls are acurate they say this
Methodology: This Harris Poll was conducted online among 1,001 adults April 20-23. Figures for age, sex, race/ethnicity, education, region and household income were weighted where necessary to bring them into line with their actual proportions in the population. Propensity score weighting was also used to adjust for respondents' propensity to be online. In theory, with a sample of this size, one can say with a 95% probability that the overall results have a sampling error of +/-3 percentage points
Methodology: This Harris Poll was conducted online among 1,001 adults April 20-23. Figures for age, sex, race/ethnicity, education, region and household income were weighted where necessary to bring them into line with their actual proportions in the population. Propensity score weighting was also used to adjust for respondents' propensity to be online. In theory, with a sample of this size, one can say with a 95% probability that the overall results have a sampling error of +/-3 percentage points
SmarterthanYou
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you're such a libertarian.
the economic bin laden
You can't provide any evidence to support the catastrophic economic condition that supposedly would have resulted had we failed to reward banks for making poor financial decisions and the government allowing them to sell bad debt. You fucking economic illiterates are the useful idiots the bankers so easily lead wherever they want. You need to learn some. You clearly are not up to explaining why the bailouts were required let alone explaining how the economy would be worse than it is right now. You idiots told us for a year that the bailouts needed more time
Stunning fact </sarcasm> ...because when you debate "LOL" is your best argument- so much better then posting a link to facts that support your argument~yes indeed!
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LOL---WOW a lot of "means nothing about the accusation made "TEA Party people are ignorant" polls...try again "bunky"
Link to the accusation that says "TEA Party people are ignorant", will ya, Bunkums?
Irony, flying at a comfortable altitude above ID's head....
When irony actually takes place an intelligent poster will let you know...how about a great big LOL this time? I, mean really, WOW us with your spectacular debating skills by putting it in maybe size 7 font~
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I don't care if they are rocket scientists. They're ignorant. They 'believe' things that are not based in fact. Their beliefs are based in fear, dogma and propaganda. More education has nothing to do with the kind of ignorance the right wing mind is inflicted with.
Conservatism is not a philosophy, it is a form of mental illness where fear controls every thought and action.
You're really dopey.
I threw an "LOL" at tinny because that's his standard response to me when he's out of ideas and other insults.
As for his contention that "proof" is needed that the bailouts prevented things from being worse, that's like saying that you need proof that a high school team could have beaten the Celtics as easily as Lebron, Wade & Bosh did....
Quote Originally Posted by Bfgrn View Post
The tea party are nothing but a group of super ignorant people who have been totally indoctrinated by the 24/7 lies on Faux News, Rush Limbaugh and the right wing talking heads.
Hey stupid drooling troll do try and keep up with context before jumping in like an ass~
The tea party are nothing but a group of super ignorant people who have been totally indoctrinated by the 24/7 lies on Faux News, Rush Limbaugh and the right wing talking heads.
Hey stupid drooling troll do try and keep up with context before jumping in like an ass~
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Republican House leaders, having pushed through a budget written by Republican Representative Paul Ryan of Wisconsin that embodies the Tea Party ideal of a government drastically scaled back, suddenly flinched. They signaled that important components of the budget would not move ahead, in particular a plan to privatize Medicare. The chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee dismissed that idea flat out. John Boehner, the House speaker, provided cover. ''It's Paul's idea'' he said. ''Other people have other ideas.''
The Tea Party itself -- its ethos, principles, and many committed activists -- has not disappeared, and shows little sign of doing so. Rather, it has simply been impeded by a political reality that many of its members angrily reject. One possibility is that the movement could channel its frustration into the presidential primaries. Another is that it could abandon the Republican Party.
A new Gallup poll shows that 60 percent of Tea Party members would like to see a third party ....
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/the-tea-party-is-losing-steam/238775/
So would I.
The Tea Party itself -- its ethos, principles, and many committed activists -- has not disappeared, and shows little sign of doing so. Rather, it has simply been impeded by a political reality that many of its members angrily reject. One possibility is that the movement could channel its frustration into the presidential primaries. Another is that it could abandon the Republican Party.
A new Gallup poll shows that 60 percent of Tea Party members would like to see a third party ....
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/the-tea-party-is-losing-steam/238775/
So would I.