Wrong video of health protest spurs N-word feud

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Wrong video of health protest spurs N-word feud
Washington, Ap National Writer – Tue Apr 13, 6:23 am ET
Three Democratic congressmen — all black — say they heard racial slurs as they walked through thousands of angry protesters outside the U.S. Capitol. A white lawmaker says he heard the epithets too. Conservative activists say the lawmakers are lying.

What does the video show? Not much. Indeed, new interviews show that a much-viewed YouTube recording cited as evidence by conservatives was actually shot well after the time in question.

It was March 20, near the end of the bitter health care debate, when Reps. John Lewis, Andre Carson and Emanuel Cleaver say that some demonstrators, many of them tea party activists, yelled the "N-word" as the congressmen walked from House office buildings to the Capitol.

Stung by the charges of racism, conservatives and tea party activists insist it never happened. And one of them is offering big money if anyone can prove it did.

With so many media and citizen cameras at the demonstration, any epithets would have been caught on tape, says Andrew Breitbart. He's the web entrepreneur who released the video of ACORN workers counseling actors posing as a pimp and prostitute, and has pledged $100,000 to the United Negro College Fund if anyone provides proof of the epithets.

"It didn't happen," said Breitbart, who wasn't there. "This is 2010. Even a racist is media-savvy enough not to yell the N-word."

The dispute pits the lawmakers — one of them, Lewis, is a leader and survivor of 1960s civil rights battles — against conservatives determined to counter claims of racism within the predominantly white and middle-aged tea party movement. The criticism has proven a distraction to a nascent movement pushing a unified message of fiscal conservatism and limited government.

The issue still echoes in the media and blogosphere.

"Listen, I was there," Carson, D-Ind., said in an interview. "In many regards I think (the challenges are) a veiled attempt to justify actions that are simply unjustifiable. I think we need to move toward a dialogue that explores why this kind of divisive and reprehensible language is still making it into our political debate."

A fourth Democrat, Rep. Heath Shuler of North Carolina, who is white, backed up his colleagues, telling the Henderson (N.C.) Times-News that he heard the slurs.

A reconstruction of the events shows that the conservative challenges largely sprang from a mislabeled video that was shot later in the day.

Breitbart posted two columns on his Web site saying the claims were fabricated. Both led with a 48-second YouTube video showing Lewis, Carson, other Congressional Black Caucus members and staffers leaving the Capitol. Some of the group were videotaping the booing crowd.

Breitbart asked why the epithet was not captured by the black lawmakers' cameras, and why nobody reacted as if they had heard the slur. He also questioned whether the epithets could have been shouted by liberals planted in the crowd.

But the 48-second video was shot as the group was leaving the Capitol — at least one hour after Lewis, D-Ga., and Carson walked to the Capitol, which is when they said the slurs were used.

Questioned about using a video on his Web site from the wrong moment, Breitbart stood by his claim that the lawmakers were lying.

"I'm not saying the video was conclusive proof," he said.

Lewis declined to discuss the issue with The Associated Press. Asked whether the epithet was used, his spokeswoman said: "Yes. Congressman Lewis did hear the N-word yelled from the crowd."

Carson described leaving the Cannon House Office Building for votes and bumping into Lewis in the elevator. They chose to walk outside to the Capitol, rather than through the underground tunnels.

Conservatives say Democrats staged a march through a hostile crowd to instigate a reaction. Carson said there was no such plan: It was just the first day of spring.

Soon after leaving Cannon, "I hear someone say it," said Carson, a former police officer. "You see one or two tea party people kind of look at him, and then you hear it again as we're walking. Then we walk across (Independence Avenue), and that's when it starts getting deeper."

Carson said he heard it coming from different places in the crowd. "You heard it in spurts, in the midst of 'Kill the bill. Kill the bill.'"

"One guy, I remember he just rattled it off several times. Then John looks at me and says, 'You know, this reminds me of a different time.'"

Cleaver, D-Mo., was walking a distance behind Carson and Lewis. He says he heard the epithet and was spit on. Capitol police handcuffed a man after Cleaver said he was spit on, but Cleaver told reporters that he did not want to press charges. No arrests were made. The moment was captured on video; debate continues over whether it shows any spitting.

In a separate case, Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., who is gay, said he was called "faggot."

On Fox News, Bill O'Reilly discussed the issue on four of his shows, beginning March 22. The first segment led with clips from the 48-second video and featured Dana Loesch, a radio talk-show host who accused the congressmen of fabricating their claims.

O'Reilly said, "Just because it's not on tape doesn't mean it's fabricated." A spokeswoman said O'Reilly thinks that something happened, but is not sure exactly what.

A few days later, Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., told an audience, "No witness saw it, it's not on camera, it's not on audio."

Only 22 seconds of video have emerged from the time in question, filmed by Lee Fang of the liberal American Progress think tank. His YouTube clip — labeled as being filmed about five minutes after the crowd rushed Lewis and Carson — has been posted by Breitbart and dozens of blogs accusing Democrats of lying.

Fang told the AP he was standing "pretty far away" across Independence Avenue from the Cannon building when he saw the crowd erupt, so he hurried over. Fang did not hear the epithet, but he said he believes it was used. "The hatred was palpable," he said.

Conservatives insist the absence of racial epithets on Fang's video and the 48-second clip show there was no hate.

"If it didn't happen on YouTube," says a regretful Fang, "it didn't happen at all."

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tea baggers in bed with fox making phoney video's not a good sign that they are anything but far right wing lunatics.
 
I love the old "absence of evidence is evidence of absence" gambit.

The fact that fox stakes it's reputation on some fools who couldn't get a job at a small town paper as journalist is kinda funny. Look's like a rednecks version of a 60 minutes gotcha.:good4u:
 
With so many media and citizen cameras at the demonstration, any epithets would have been caught on tape, says Andrew Breitbart. He's the web entrepreneur who released the video of ACORN workers counseling actors posing as a pimp and prostitute, and has pledged $100,000 to the United Negro College Fund if anyone provides proof of the epithets.

This giuy is not gettting the facts straight.

They did not dress as a pimp and ho.

They dressed normally when they talked to the ACORN people.
 
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With so many media and citizen cameras at the demonstration, any epithets would have been caught on tape, says Andrew Breitbart. He's the web entrepreneur who released the video of ACORN workers counseling actors posing as a pimp and prostitute, and has pledged $100,000 to the United Negro College Fund if anyone provides proof of the epithets.

This giuy is not gettting the facts straight.

They did not dress as a pimp and ho.

They dressed normally when they talked to the ACORN people.

The guy also calls the democratic party the democrat party.

ANY article that calls the democratic party the democrat party has a bias.

Do try to READ and Comprehend desh.... it states clearly that they POSED as pimp and prostitute... which they did. It does not state they DRESSED as a pimp and prostitute.

ANY article that calls the tea party members 'tea baggers' shows bias. As for the 'Democrat' party... do explain how that shows bias.

It may show a lack of spelling.... something you are all too familiar with.
 
I love the old "absence of evidence is evidence of absence" gambit.

I love the 'hey, they are white, if we call them racists and homophobes I bet a bunch of gullible people will believe us' gambit.

Innocent until proven guilty.... unless of course you are a tea party member. In that case, we can call you whatever we want and suggest you stated foul things and now it is up to you to prove you are innocent.

This is not to suggest there aren't racists or homophobes among the tea party members, but this non-stop attack on ALL the members for something that was ALLEGEDLY stated is nothing short of nonsense. Just the lefts attempt to demonize the entire group because they fear it.
 
it was a fake video and was exposed as fraud by Cali, any defense of it is tea baggery at it's finest. Long live the KKK!!!!
 
I love the 'hey, they are white, if we call them racists and homophobes I bet a bunch of gullible people will believe us' gambit.

Innocent until proven guilty.... unless of course you are a tea party member. In that case, we can call you whatever we want and suggest you stated foul things and now it is up to you to prove you are innocent.

This is not to suggest there aren't racists or homophobes among the tea party members, but this non-stop attack on ALL the members for something that was ALLEGEDLY stated is nothing short of nonsense. Just the lefts attempt to demonize the entire group because they fear it.


So, the tea baggers are innocent of using the n-word but the black members of Congress are guilty of lying?

As I said in another thread, if the Tea Baggers don't want to be branded as crazy racists, they should stop associating with crazy racists. It's fairly simple, really.

It's like anti-war protesters aligning with ANSWER and other crazy fuckers. No, not all anti-war protesters are crazy anarchists, but when you hang out with them you make it easy to get branded that way.
 
Do try to READ and Comprehend desh.... it states clearly that they POSED as pimp and prostitute... which they did. It does not state they DRESSED as a pimp and prostitute.

ANY article that calls the tea party members 'tea baggers' shows bias. As for the 'Democrat' party... do explain how that shows bias.

It may show a lack of spelling.... something you are all too familiar with.

They did NOT pose as a pimp and a ho.

They did not dress up when they talked to the ACORN people.

The tapes were all cut up and pieced back together.

OKEEFE did not say he was a pimp to the ACORN people , the original tapes shows this.

I took out the democratic stuff out of my post because I reread it and he used it correctly.

When you say or spell it Democrat party that is an insult and not a mistake.

I have been told that by cons themselves.
 
So, the tea baggers are innocent of using the n-word but the black members of Congress are guilty of lying?

As I said in another thread, if the Tea Baggers don't want to be branded as crazy racists, they should stop associating with crazy racists. It's fairly simple, really.

It's like anti-war protesters aligning with ANSWER and other crazy fuckers. No, not all anti-war protesters are crazy anarchists, but when you hang out with them you make it easy to get branded that way.

I did not state they were lying.... I stated there was no proof, so it is a he said/she said incident. Yet the media immediately proclaimed the tea party members racist and homophobes despite a lack of evidence.

As for the members of Congress... yes, typically when you proclaim the fact that someone said something derogatory about you, it is up to you to prove your claim. That is where the burden of proof lies.

As for the last two paragraphs, I agree with you. They should do their best to get rid of the nuts. But like the WTO protests, like the anti war protests etc... that is easier said than done.
 
They did NOT pose as a pimp and a ho.

They did not dress up when they talked to the ACORN people.

The tapes were all cut up and pieced back together.

OKEEFE did not say he was a pimp to the ACORN people , the original tapes shows this.

I took out the democratic stuff out of my post because I reread it and he used it correctly.

When you say or spell it Democrat party that is an insult and not a mistake.

I have been told that by cons themselves.

You are right... they posed as a prostitute and a guy thinking about running for congress.

yes, the tapes were edited... he did not wear a pimp costume into the office...

but watch and listen to this video Desh....


The acorn employees tell them how to make her prostitution a 'legal business'
 
superfreak your supporting a fraudulent gotcha, stop embarrassing yourself. This is the guy that was arrested for breaking into Senator Landrue's office.
 
superfreak your supporting a fraudulent gotcha, stop embarrassing yourself. This is the guy that was arrested for breaking into Senator Landrue's office.

yeah... no question he got arrested for trying to wire tap a Senators office... but that does not change the fact that these ACORN employees clearly gave advice on how to set up a prostitution house as a 'legal business'.

Yes, he did not wear the pimp suit into the meeting... funny how you dolts didn't get so bent out of shape over Michael Moore editing his videos.

The words coming out of the ACORN ladies mouth were not edited. She was fired by ACORN and never reinstated. If this was all a sham... why did ACORN fire her? Why did they not hire her back?

Also... Why did ACORN lose its business license in Ohio? Why have they now disbanded nationwide?
 
yeah... no question he got arrested for trying to wire tap a Senators office... but that does not change the fact that these ACORN employees clearly gave advice on how to set up a prostitution house as a 'legal business'.NO THEY DID NOT! this is what the study into the original tapes showed.

Yes, he did not wear the pimp suit into the meeting... funny how you dolts didn't get so bent out of shape over Michael Moore editing his videos.

The words coming out of the ACORN ladies mouth were not edited. She was fired by ACORN and never reinstated. If this was all a sham... why did ACORN fire her? Why did they not hire her back?They are not the answers to the questions the guy pretended to ask in the video, They were Heavily edited , why do you refuse the facts?

Also... Why did ACORN lose its business license in Ohio? Why have they now disbanded nationwide?

Because of this HIT piece which was fraudulent
 
I'm no Moore fan, but hey if your comfortable being the rights version of moore cool. At least hire a pro.
 
So, the tea baggers are innocent of using the n-word but the black members of Congress are guilty of lying?

As I said in another thread, if the Tea Baggers don't want to be branded as crazy racists, they should stop associating with crazy racists. It's fairly simple, really.

It's like anti-war protesters aligning with ANSWER and other crazy fuckers. No, not all anti-war protesters are crazy anarchists, but when you hang out with them you make it easy to get branded that way.

To answer your question-- YES! The teabaggers are innocent until there is proof offered to back up the accusations. WTF is wrong with people like you?
 
To answer your question-- YES! The teabaggers are innocent until there is proof offered to back up the accusations. WTF is wrong with people like you?


So, the Tea Baggers are innocent of using racial epithets until proven guilty and black members of Congress and guilty of lying until proven innocent? That makes no sense. Presumptions of innocence and burdens of proof make sense in a court of law, but their application to the court of public opinion is stupid.
 
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