Yeah....I told ya so....long ago
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Taichiliberal
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Taichiliberal
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Socrtease
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Here's what bugs me. If someone said they found a bunch of emails proving that the Bush Whitehouse lied about WMD's the left would believe it regardless, but claim that the hucksters of Human caused climate changed falsified and "oh my god that doesn't sound like a scientist's writing."
Taichiliberal
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But Soc, your hypothetical DIDN'T happen. People had PROOF of the Shrub & company lying their asses off. Period. A matter of fact, a matter of history.
Until these e-mails are verified, I'm not going endorse something that is unsubstantiated from a biased blogger that routed it through Russia.
Don't waste your time...they firmly believe their own lies, though they usually can't bare to come to grips with the infamous Democrat quotes spanning 1995 to 2003 that say EXACTLY the same things Bush said about Iraq and WMD....this clowns mind is closed to everything except the DNC, Keith Olbermann, and the Huffingtonpost.....and really...
what he believes.They don't need emails. They have Paul Wolfowicz, Paul O'Neil, Colin Powell's office, British intelligence, a bipartisan Senate subcommittee, a couple of PDB's, et al.
Taichiliberal
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Don't waste your time...they firmly believe their own lies, though they usually can't bare to come to grips with the infamous Democrat quotes spanning 1995 to 2003 that say EXACTLY the same things Bush said about Iraq and WMD....this clowns mind is closed to everything except the DNC, Keith Olbermann, and the Huffingtonpost.....and really...
The quotes you keep occasionally repeat only reflect what was said BASED ON THE INFORMATION HAD AT THE TIME, BEFORE THE UN INSPECTION TEAMS COULD CONCLUDE THEIR FINDINGS. ALSO, THEY REFLECT WHAT LIMITED INFORMATION THE SHRUB & COMPANY WERE SHARING WITH CONGRESS, WHICH WAS LATER PROVED THAT THEY WITHHELD MUCH.
Bottom line: All were wrong, and the FACTS prove it. When new information came to light, those you mentioned changed their tune....and people like you called them traitors and such.
As for your opening post on this thread:
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Socrtease
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well there is this.
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right....only bush lied....because all the other world leaders and dems who thought the same weren't lying....
Its is irrelevant that the NIE was proven incorrect....the point is WHAT WAS BELIEVED TO BE TRUE IN 2002
I'm positive that the NIE will not penetrate tc's rather thick boned skull so I'll not belabor the point....the NIE of 2002 speaks for itself....the combined conclusions of 16 different intelligence agency's
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Key Judgments [from October 2002 NIE]
Iraq's Continuing Programs for Weapons of Mass Destruction
We judge that Iraq has continued its weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs in defiance of UN resolutions and restrictions. Baghdad has chemical and biological weapons as well as missiles with ranges in excess of UN restrictions; if left unchecked, it probably will have a nuclear weapon during this decade. (See INR alternative view at the end of these Key Judgments.)
We judge that we are seeing only a portion of Iraq's WMD efforts, owing to Baghdad's vigorous denial and deception efforts. Revelations after the Gulf war starkly demonstrate the extensive efforts undertaken by Iraq to deny information. We lack specific information on many key aspects of Iraq's WMD programs.
Since inspections ended in 1998, Iraq has maintained its chemical weapons effort, energized its missile program, and invested more heavily in biological weapons; in the view of most agencies, Baghdad is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program.
* Iraq's growing ability to sell oil illicitly increases Baghdad's capabilities to finance WMD programs; annual earnings in cash and goods have more than quadrupled, from $580 million in 1998 to about $3 billion this year.
* Iraq has largely rebuilt missile and biological weapons facilities damaged during Operation Desert Fox and has expanded its chemical and biological infrastructure under the cover of civilian production.
* Baghdad has exceeded UN range limits of 150 km with its ballistic missiles and is working with unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), which allow for a more lethal means to deliver biological and, less likely, chemical warfare agents.
* Although we assess that Saddam does not yet have nuclear weapons or sufficient material to make any, he remains intent on acquiring them. Most agencies assess that Baghdad started reconstituting its nuclear program about the time that UNSCOM inspectors departed--December 1998.
How quickly Iraq will obtain its first nuclear weapon depends on when it acquires sufficient weapons-grade fissile material.
* If Baghdad acquires sufficient fissile material from abroad it could make a nuclear weapon within several months to a year.
* Without such material from abroad, Iraq probably would not be able to make a weapon until 2007 to 2009, owing to inexperience in building and operating centrifuge facilities to produce highly enriched uranium and challenges in procuring the necessary equipment and expertise.
o Most agencies believe that Saddam's personal interest in and Iraq's aggressive attempts to obtain high-strength aluminum tubes for centrifuge rotors--as well as Iraq's attempts to acquire magnets, high-speed balancing machines, and machine tools--provide compelling evidence that Saddam is reconstituting a uranium enrichment effort for Baghdad's nuclear weapons program. (DOE agrees that reconstitution of the nuclear program is underway but assesses that the tubes probably are not part of the program.)
o Iraq's efforts to re-establish and enhance its cadre of weapons personnel as well as activities at several suspect nuclear sites further indicate that reconstitution is underway.
o All agencies agree that about 25,000 centrifuges based on tubes of the size Iraq is trying to acquire would be capable of producing approximately two weapons' worth of highly enriched uranium per year.
* In a much less likely scenario, Baghdad could make enough fissile material for a nuclear weapon by 2005 to 2007 if it obtains suitable centrifuge tubes this year and has all the other materials and technological expertise necessary to build production-scale uranium enrichment facilities.
We assess that Baghdad has begun renewed production of mustard, sarin, GF (cyclosarin), and VX; its capability probably is more limited now than it was at the time of the Gulf war, although VX production and agent storage life probably have been improved.
* An array of clandestine reporting reveals that Baghdad has procured covertly the types and quantities of chemicals and equipment sufficient to allow limited CW agent production hidden within Iraq's legitimate chemical industry.
* Although we have little specific information on Iraq's CW stockpile, Saddam probably has stocked at least 100 metric tons (MT) and possibly as much as 500 MT of CW agents--much of it added in the last year.
* The Iraqis have experience in manufacturing CW bombs, artillery rockets, and projectiles. We assess that they possess CW bulk fills for SRBM warheads, including for a limited number of covertly stored Scuds, possibly a few with extended ranges.
We judge that all key aspects--R&D, production, and weaponization--of Iraq's offensive BW program are active and that most elements are larger and more advanced than they were before the Gulf war.
* We judge Iraq has some lethal and incapacitating BW agents and is capable of quickly producing and weaponizing a variety of such agents, including anthrax, for delivery by bombs, missiles, aerial sprayers, and covert operatives.
o Chances are even that smallpox is part of Iraq's offensive BW program.
o Baghdad probably has developed genetically engineered BW agents.
* Baghdad has established a large-scale, redundant, and concealed BW agent production capability.
o Baghdad has mobile facilities for producing bacterial and toxin BW agents; these facilities can evade detection and are highly survivable. Within three to six months [Corrected per Errata sheet issued in October 2002] these units probably could produce an amount of agent equal to the total that Iraq produced in the years prior to the Gulf war.
Iraq maintains a small missile force and several development programs, including for a UAV probably intended to deliver biological warfare agent.
* Gaps in Iraqi accounting to UNSCOM suggest that Saddam retains a covert force of up to a few dozen Scud-variant SRBMs with ranges of 650 to 900 km.
* Iraq is deploying its new al-Samoud and Ababil-100 SRBMs, which are capable of flying beyond the UN-authorized 150-km range limit; Iraq has tested an al-Samoud variant beyond 150 km--perhaps as far as 300 km.
* Baghdad's UAVs could threaten Iraq's neighbors, U.S. forces in the Persian Gulf, and if brought close to, or into, the United States, the U.S. Homeland.
o An Iraqi UAV procurement network attempted to procure commercially available route planning software and an associated topographic database that would be able to support targeting of the United States, according to analysis of special intelligence.
o The Director, Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance, U.S. Air Force, does not agree that Iraq is developing UAVs primarily intended to be delivery platforms for chemical and biological warfare (CBW) agents. The small size of Iraq's new UAV strongly suggests a primary role of reconnaissance, although CBW delivery is an inherent capability.
* Iraq is developing medium-range ballistic missile capabilities, largely through foreign assistance in building specialized facilities, including a test stand for engines more powerful than those in its current missile force.
We have low confidence in our ability to assess when Saddam would use WMD.
* Saddam could decide to use chemical and biological warfare (CBW) preemptively against U.S. forces, friends, and allies in the region in an attempt to disrupt U.S. war preparations and undermine the political will of the Coalition.
* Saddam might use CBW after an initial advance into Iraqi territory, but early use of WMD could foreclose diplomatic options for stalling the US advance.
* He probably would use CBW when be perceived he irretrievably had lost control of the military and security situation, but we are unlikely to know when Saddam reaches that point.
* We judge that Saddam would be more likely to use chemical weapons than biological weapons on the battlefield.
* Saddam historically has maintained tight control over the use of WMD; however, he probably has provided contingency instructions to his commanders to use CBW in specific circumstances.
Baghdad for now appears to be drawing a line short of conducting terrorist attacks with conventional or CBW against the United States, fearing that exposure of Iraqi involvement would provide Washington a stronger cause for making war.
Iraq probably would attempt clandestine attacks against the U.S. Homeland if Baghdad feared an attack that threatened the survival of the regime were imminent or unavoidable, or possibly for revenge. Such attacks--more likely with biological than chemical agents--probably would be carried out by special forces or intelligence operatives.
* The Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) probably has been directed to conduct clandestine attacks against US and Allied interests in the Middle East in the event the United States takes action against Iraq. The US probably would be the primary means by which Iraq would attempt to conduct any CBW attacks on the US Homeland, although we have no specific intelligence information that Saddam's regime has directed attacks against US territory.
Saddam, if sufficiently desperate, might decide that only an organization such as al-Qa'ida--with worldwide reach and extensive terrorist infrastructure, and already engaged in a life-or-death struggle against the United States--could perpetrate the type of terrorist attack that he would hope to conduct.
* In such circumstances, he might decide that the extreme step of assisting the Islamist terrorists in conducting a CBW attack against the United States would be his last chance to exact vengeance by taking a large number of victims with him.
Taichiliberal
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Okay, one more time for the cheap seats:
In a September 2003 interview, Cheney claimed that the National Intelligence Estimate of October 2002 stated there was “compelling evidence that Saddam is reconstituting a uranium enrichment effort” and the investigators will “find in fact that they are valid.”
Cheney’s reliance on the National Intelligence Estimate is misleading since he quoted conclusions which the report conceded were based on “inadequate” evidence or were disputed by intelligence sources.-----Waxman – FindLaw.com 08.19.03
The 2002 National Intelligence Estimate (which the administration seeks to pass all the blame to) indicated “we have little specific information on Iraq’s CW stockpile.” At the same time, the Defense Intelligence Agency concluded that there was “no reliable information on whether Iraq is producing and stockpiling chemical weapons.”-----Corn – The Nation 02.15.04, CAP Daily Progress Report – Claim v. Fact: The President on Meet the Press (“Meet the Press Claims”) 02.09.04
During his Veteran’s Day 2005 address, Bush charged that “ . . more than a hundred Democrats in the House and the Senate -- who had access to the same intelligence -- voted to support removing Saddam Hussein from power.
The Washington Post extensively analyzed this claim, concluding that: “Bush and his aides had access to much more voluminous intelligence information than did lawmakers, who were ependent on the administration to provide the material…Bush does not share his most sensitive intelligence, such as the President's Daily Brief, with lawmakers. Also, the National Intelligence Estimate summarizing the intelligence community's views about the threat from Iraq was given to Congress just days before the vote to authorize the use of force in that country. In addition, there were doubts within the intelligence community not included in the NIE. And even the doubts expressed in the NIE could not be used publicly by members of Congress because the classified information had not been cleared for release.” (Washington Post, 11/13/05) See http://democrats.senate.gov/dpc/dpc-new.cfm?doc_name=sr-109-1-129
This was confirmed by a Congressional Research Service report which found that the “President, and a small number of presidentially-designated Cabinet-level officials, including the Vice President (3) - in contrast to Members of Congress (4) - have access to a far greater overall volume of intelligence and to more sensitive intelligence information, including information regarding intelligence sources and methods.”
ALL the facts pretty much trump your myopic viewpoint and beliefs...as always.
Oh, and for the record:
Just Plain Politics! - View Single Post - Yeah....I told ya so....long ago
the only myopic view of history your view....the view from the far left...readers can see the truth directly from the 2002 NIE as it exists, not as you or other left wingers spin it....your a lemming follow, whether its Al Gore or Waxman...
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Taichiliberal
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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Okay, one more time for the cheap seats:
In a September 2003 interview, Cheney claimed that the National Intelligence Estimate of October 2002 stated there was “compelling evidence that Saddam is reconstituting a uranium enrichment effort” and the investigators will “find in fact that they are valid.”
FROM THE NIE
Most agencies believe that Saddam's personal interest in and Iraq's aggressive attempts to obtain high-strength aluminum tubes for centrifuge rotors--as well as Iraq's attempts to acquire magnets, high-speed balancing machines, and machine tools--provide compelling evidence that Saddam is reconstituting a uranium enrichment effort for Baghdad's nuclear weapons program.
believes...attempts....NO CONCLUSIVE proof that Hussein was in possession of the material capable of quickly manufacturing WMD's, or the facilities to do so, as the Shrub & company swore. THIS IS WHY THE UN HAD INSPECTORS ON THE GROUND. THE SHRUB INTERRUPTED THEM FROM DOING THEIR JOB, THUS VIOLATING UN AND CONGRESSIONAL AGREEMENTS. Also, you (once again) keep regurgitating PARTS of the NIE report that support your statement, but you LEAVE out what undercuts those premises. Typical dishonest neocon parrot tactic.
Cheney’s reliance on the National Intelligence Estimate is misleading since he quoted conclusions which the report conceded were based on “inadequate” evidence or were disputed by intelligence sources.-----Waxman – FindLaw.com 08.19.03
And Waxman is just a liar...the NIE is full of phases like, WE JUDGE, IRAQ HAS,
ALL AGENCIES AGREE, MOST AGENCIES BELIEVE....The 16 intell. agencies didn't say maybe, and might....the NIE is by is very nature, an ESTIMATE of what our and our allies think is the truth ....]
Waxman is a liar, plain and simple.
Sorry to inform you, that OTHER MAJOR agencies in their separate reports raised doubts as to the validity of the source information....and you can't treat one set of quotes and phrases from the NIE as the Bible and then turn a blind eye to the ones you don't like...unless you're a neocon heretic. Waxman cites what's in the NIE report.....YOU can't factually prove he's liar..but you try to substitute your supposition and conjecture as proof.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/bw-mobile.htm
The 2002 National Intelligence Estimate (which the administration seeks to pass all the blame to) indicated “we have little specific information on Iraq’s CW stockpile.” At the same time, the Defense Intelligence Agency concluded that there was “no reliable information on whether Iraq is producing and stockpiling chemical weapons.”-----Corn – The Nation 02.15.04, CAP Daily Progress Report – Claim v. Fact: The President on Meet the Press (“Meet the Press Claims”) 02.09.04
Your lame attempt to mislead by not using the full quote is expected from a dishonest asshole like you..........
The factual quote is....
* Although we have little specific information on Iraq's CW stockpile, Saddam probably has stocked at least 100 metric tons (MT) and possibly as much as 500 MT of CW agents--much of it added in the last year.
100 to 500 metric tons stockpiled is hardly saying they are in completely in the dark....they obviously BELIEVED he had a substantial stockpile..
Once again, you ignorant lout, BELIEF IS NOT FACT. As your own quote states, they had "little specific information". You don't go to war over a belief or a "probable"...that's why we had INSPECTORS ON SITE. The Shrub & company violated the UN accord they signed onto, and then the agreement with Congress as to verify the threat. The NIE report was severly flawed in using it's sources, and not supported by other agencies as you falsely claimed. Get your head out your ass before you type, because you keep proving my point and then trying to say 2+2=5
During his Veteran’s Day 2005 address, Bush charged that “ . . more than a hundred Democrats in the House and the Senate -- who had access to the same intelligence -- voted to support removing Saddam Hussein from power.
The Washington Post extensively analyzed this claim, concluding that: “Bush and his aides had access to much more voluminous intelligence information than did lawmakers, who were ependent on the administration to provide the material…Bush does not share his most sensitive intelligence, such as the President's Daily Brief, with lawmakers. Also, the National Intelligence Estimate summarizing the intelligence community's views about the threat from Iraq was given to Congress just days before the vote to authorize the use of force in that country. In addition, there were doubts within the intelligence community not included in the NIE. And even the doubts expressed in the NIE could not be used publicly by members of Congress because the classified information had not been cleared for release.” (Washington Post, 11/13/05) See http://democrats.senate.gov/dpc/dpc-...e=sr-109-1-129
This was confirmed by a Congressional Research Service report which found that the “President, and a small number of presidentially-designated Cabinet-level officials, including the Vice President (3) - in contrast to Members of Congress (4) - have access to a far greater overall volume of intelligence and to more sensitive intelligence information, including information regarding intelligence sources and methods.”
The NIE contains the CONCLUSIONS of 16 different intelligence agencies...the President can access all the intell is he wants to, but to mislead the readers by implying that any President reads all available intell coming in from 16 agencies, plus intell from our allies is ludicrous..that is the job of others and always has been, no matter who sits in the Oval Office...
The NIE report contains the conclusions of all available intell considered by our intelligence people to be accurate facts at the time....
which proves....
either you're fucking stupid or just insipidly stubborn, because you keep parroting a line that does NOT encompass ALL the information..as I demonstrate above. Also, you keep DENYING that the NIE report admitted to the unreliability of much of its' source material. THAT MEANS THAT THE 16 DIFFERENT AGENCIES YOU NOTED WERE ALL OPERATING WITH THOSE FLAWED SOURCES...YOU DOPE! And those who didn't get with the program WERE LEFT OUT! Hell, the DIA is just ONE major agency that disputed the NIE report...do some HONEST research and see what the IAEA had to say on the matter. Hell, foreign intel didn't support the NIE, but that wouldn't stop the Shrub & company...or had you forgotten the little bruhaha about the Downing St. memo?
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ALL the facts pretty much trump your myopic viewpoint and beliefs...as always.
Oh, and for the record:
Just Plain Politics! - View Single Post - Yeah....I told ya so....long ago
As I've demonstrated above, it is YOU who consistently leave out information that contradicts your viewpoint and beliefs....hell, you've got your head so far up Karl Rove's ass you posted information that COMPLIMENTS what I previously stated and sourced...and YOU didn't understand that you contradicted yourself in doing so.....pathetic. As I said before, you can't refute or disprove what I stated regarding the original subject of this thread, so you parrot this tired ass neocon BS as a dodge. Major fail on both parts for you. Carry on repeating yourself...it'll do no good, but it's all you've got.
Okay, one more time for the cheap seats:
In a September 2003 interview, Cheney claimed that the National Intelligence Estimate of October 2002 stated there was “compelling evidence that Saddam is reconstituting a uranium enrichment effort” and the investigators will “find in fact that they are valid.”
FROM THE NIE
Most agencies believe that Saddam's personal interest in and Iraq's aggressive attempts to obtain high-strength aluminum tubes for centrifuge rotors--as well as Iraq's attempts to acquire magnets, high-speed balancing machines, and machine tools--provide compelling evidence that Saddam is reconstituting a uranium enrichment effort for Baghdad's nuclear weapons program.
believes...attempts....NO CONCLUSIVE proof that Hussein was in possession of the material capable of quickly manufacturing WMD's, or the facilities to do so, as the Shrub & company swore. THIS IS WHY THE UN HAD INSPECTORS ON THE GROUND. THE SHRUB INTERRUPTED THEM FROM DOING THEIR JOB, THUS VIOLATING UN AND CONGRESSIONAL AGREEMENTS. Also, you (once again) keep regurgitating PARTS of the NIE report that support your statement, but you LEAVE out what undercuts those premises. Typical dishonest neocon parrot tactic.
Cheney’s reliance on the National Intelligence Estimate is misleading since he quoted conclusions which the report conceded were based on “inadequate” evidence or were disputed by intelligence sources.-----Waxman – FindLaw.com 08.19.03
And Waxman is just a liar...the NIE is full of phases like, WE JUDGE, IRAQ HAS,
ALL AGENCIES AGREE, MOST AGENCIES BELIEVE....The 16 intell. agencies didn't say maybe, and might....the NIE is by is very nature, an ESTIMATE of what our and our allies think is the truth ....]
Waxman is a liar, plain and simple.
Sorry to inform you, that OTHER MAJOR agencies in their separate reports raised doubts as to the validity of the source information....and you can't treat one set of quotes and phrases from the NIE as the Bible and then turn a blind eye to the ones you don't like...unless you're a neocon heretic. Waxman cites what's in the NIE report.....YOU can't factually prove he's liar..but you try to substitute your supposition and conjecture as proof.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/bw-mobile.htm
The 2002 National Intelligence Estimate (which the administration seeks to pass all the blame to) indicated “we have little specific information on Iraq’s CW stockpile.” At the same time, the Defense Intelligence Agency concluded that there was “no reliable information on whether Iraq is producing and stockpiling chemical weapons.”-----Corn – The Nation 02.15.04, CAP Daily Progress Report – Claim v. Fact: The President on Meet the Press (“Meet the Press Claims”) 02.09.04
Your lame attempt to mislead by not using the full quote is expected from a dishonest asshole like you..........
The factual quote is....
* Although we have little specific information on Iraq's CW stockpile, Saddam probably has stocked at least 100 metric tons (MT) and possibly as much as 500 MT of CW agents--much of it added in the last year.
100 to 500 metric tons stockpiled is hardly saying they are in completely in the dark....they obviously BELIEVED he had a substantial stockpile..
Once again, you ignorant lout, BELIEF IS NOT FACT. As your own quote states, they had "little specific information". You don't go to war over a belief or a "probable"...that's why we had INSPECTORS ON SITE. The Shrub & company violated the UN accord they signed onto, and then the agreement with Congress as to verify the threat. The NIE report was severly flawed in using it's sources, and not supported by other agencies as you falsely claimed. Get your head out your ass before you type, because you keep proving my point and then trying to say 2+2=5
During his Veteran’s Day 2005 address, Bush charged that “ . . more than a hundred Democrats in the House and the Senate -- who had access to the same intelligence -- voted to support removing Saddam Hussein from power.
The Washington Post extensively analyzed this claim, concluding that: “Bush and his aides had access to much more voluminous intelligence information than did lawmakers, who were ependent on the administration to provide the material…Bush does not share his most sensitive intelligence, such as the President's Daily Brief, with lawmakers. Also, the National Intelligence Estimate summarizing the intelligence community's views about the threat from Iraq was given to Congress just days before the vote to authorize the use of force in that country. In addition, there were doubts within the intelligence community not included in the NIE. And even the doubts expressed in the NIE could not be used publicly by members of Congress because the classified information had not been cleared for release.” (Washington Post, 11/13/05) See http://democrats.senate.gov/dpc/dpc-...e=sr-109-1-129
This was confirmed by a Congressional Research Service report which found that the “President, and a small number of presidentially-designated Cabinet-level officials, including the Vice President (3) - in contrast to Members of Congress (4) - have access to a far greater overall volume of intelligence and to more sensitive intelligence information, including information regarding intelligence sources and methods.”
The NIE contains the CONCLUSIONS of 16 different intelligence agencies...the President can access all the intell is he wants to, but to mislead the readers by implying that any President reads all available intell coming in from 16 agencies, plus intell from our allies is ludicrous..that is the job of others and always has been, no matter who sits in the Oval Office...
The NIE report contains the conclusions of all available intell considered by our intelligence people to be accurate facts at the time....
which proves....
either you're fucking stupid or just insipidly stubborn, because you keep parroting a line that does NOT encompass ALL the information..as I demonstrate above. Also, you keep DENYING that the NIE report admitted to the unreliability of much of its' source material. THAT MEANS THAT THE 16 DIFFERENT AGENCIES YOU NOTED WERE ALL OPERATING WITH THOSE FLAWED SOURCES...YOU DOPE! And those who didn't get with the program WERE LEFT OUT! Hell, the DIA is just ONE major agency that disputed the NIE report...do some HONEST research and see what the IAEA had to say on the matter. Hell, foreign intel didn't support the NIE, but that wouldn't stop the Shrub & company...or had you forgotten the little bruhaha about the Downing St. memo?
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ALL the facts pretty much trump your myopic viewpoint and beliefs...as always.
Oh, and for the record:
Just Plain Politics! - View Single Post - Yeah....I told ya so....long ago
As I've demonstrated above, it is YOU who consistently leave out information that contradicts your viewpoint and beliefs....hell, you've got your head so far up Karl Rove's ass you posted information that COMPLIMENTS what I previously stated and sourced...and YOU didn't understand that you contradicted yourself in doing so.....pathetic. As I said before, you can't refute or disprove what I stated regarding the original subject of this thread, so you parrot this tired ass neocon BS as a dodge. Major fail on both parts for you. Carry on repeating yourself...it'll do no good, but it's all you've got.
Now that you've made a fool of yourself for all to see, I can stop wasting my time with you....
16 DIFFERENT AGENCIES YOU NOTED WERE ALL OPERATING WITH THOSE FLAWED SOURCES.????....thats pretty funny....you must think that the 16 different intell. agencies take turns looking through the same keyhole, lol....
arguing with you is like picking on the retarded kid at recess....
The NIE is there, right in front of you, and you deny what it plainly says....
I sure hope this thread is getting read by everyone...it feels good to pwn you with such ease, and really, with your assistance
you are dismissed, fool
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LOL you haven't been to Real Climate lately have you?
Not only is it real, they have said it needs to taken in "context".
You'll eat it up. Go quickly, young warmer!
Be sure to understand every nuance, however, or you'll look like an idiot.
LOL
I posted a link to the database yesterday in the APP thread
CRU verified the leak happened.
Steve McIntyre verified his emails that were leaked are authentic.
Now who are the deniers?