You guys...It's ALL Obama's fault!

zappasguitar

zappasguitar

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Day after day...thread after thread.

I read the whining from one poster after another on these boards claiming they aren't "attacking" President Obama...yet all the threads taking BP to task must be mislabeled, because no matter which forum I check, I don't seem to see any threads devoted to BPs culpability in this.

So until I learn how to read and then can find all those thread where you "fair & balanced" Righties attack BP with the same vehemence you attack our President daily...here's a little tidibt concerning BP's responsibility in all this:

"Environmental advocates cheered Thursday when the EPA demanded that BP ditch the dirty dispersant it has been spreading in the Gulf. EPA gave the company 24 hours to find a "less toxic alternative" and 72 hours to begin using it. But BP chief operating officer Doug Suttles told reporters Friday afternoon that the company couldn't identify a new product and continues to use Corexit, its brand of choice."

The whole article at:http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2010/05/bp-still-using-dirty-dispersant-gulf

I don't remember, but who was it saying that the EPA has to APPROVE everything being done in the Gulf...DAMO?

Sounds like some aren't bothering to listen to the EPA...and it's killing the Gulf of Mexico.
 
LOL...you're such a whiny hack

there isn't a single person here who blames only obama, there isn't a single person here who doesn't blame BP

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There is definitely a crazy sort of paradox in the way righties are approaching this crisis, and it's pretty funny to watch. They absolutely adore big oil, so spent weeks trying to downplay the impact of this disaster & the risk of offshore drilling in general. But, as the weeks went on, they saw this as a great chance to take down Obama, so it became Katrina and the worst thing that ever happened.

I still see posters and pundits fluctuate quickly between the 2 views, depending on who they are trying to protect and/or take down.

On a side note, the Gulf has become ground zero as far as human abuse of the planet. For years, there was a dead zone there that was incomprehensibly huge, brought on by constant industrial & agricultural runoff. With the spill, there isn't a more glaring example anywhere of how it's high time to change the way we do things.
 
Yurt said:
LOL...you're such a whiny hack

there isn't a single person here who blames only obama, there isn't a single person here who doesn't blame BP

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Then tell me Mr Fair & Balanced, just exactly how many threads have you started that take BP to task for their part in this disaster?

I can see two threads right here on the front page of the CE forum authored by you targetting President Obama...where's your outrage at BP?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Day after day...thread after thread.

I read the whining from one poster after another on these boards claiming they aren't "attacking" President Obama...yet all the threads taking BP to task must be mislabeled, because no matter which forum I check, I don't seem to see any threads devoted to BPs culpability in this.

So until I learn how to read and then can find all those thread where you "fair & balanced" Righties attack BP with the same vehemence you attack our President daily...here's a little tidibt concerning BP's responsibility in all this:

"Environmental advocates cheered Thursday when the EPA demanded that BP ditch the dirty dispersant it has been spreading in the Gulf. EPA gave the company 24 hours to find a "less toxic alternative" and 72 hours to begin using it. But BP chief operating officer Doug Suttles told reporters Friday afternoon that the company couldn't identify a new product and continues to use Corexit, its brand of choice."

The whole article at:http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2010/05/bp-still-using-dirty-dispersant-gulf

I don't remember, but who was it saying that the EPA has to APPROVE everything being done in the Gulf...DAMO?

Sounds like some aren't bothering to listen to the EPA...and it's killing the Gulf of Mexico.
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1) Had you bothered to read anything... you might have noticed how wrong you are. No one is suggesting that BP is not accountable. They are and they are going to pay for the damage and clean up.

2) That said, it does not absolve the Administration for their lack of effort/slow response.

3) The dispersant being used by BP is ON THE EPA PRE APPROVED LIST... which is CLEARLY STATED IN THE ARTICLE YOU LINKED TO from motherjones.

Will the EPA force BP to switch dispersants? That remains unclear. On Friday, EPA spokesperson Adora Andy indicated to ABC News that the agency has not outright barred BP from using their brand of choice. "It's not that Corexit is banned," she said.
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Also from your article....

"It's not that they have to stop using it because they're using it right now. But it's just that they need to switch over."
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Do tell us what the fuck that is supposed to mean....

it is 'they don't have to stop using it because they are using it but they need to stop using it because someone thought there might be an alternative but there isnt an alternative that meets our new list of ... wait... what the hell was I saying?'
 
Onceler said:
There is definitely a crazy sort of paradox in the way righties are approaching this crisis, and it's pretty funny to watch. They absolutely adore big oil, so spent weeks trying to downplay the impact of this disaster & the risk of offshore drilling in general. But, as the weeks went on, they saw this as a great chance to take down Obama, so it became Katrina and the worst thing that ever happened.

I still see posters and pundits fluctuate quickly between the 2 views, depending on who they are trying to protect and/or take down.

On a side note, the Gulf has become ground zero as far as human abuse of the planet. For years, there was a dead zone there that was incomprehensibly huge, brought on by constant industrial & agricultural runoff. With the spill, there isn't a more glaring example anywhere of how it's high time to change the way we do things.
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this is it...it's game over for the Gulf for at least the next 25-30 years.

Everyone better get used to the idea of eating imported shrimp and oysters for a while, because our love of cheap oil just destroyed the ecosystem that allowed us gulf coast residents to eat seafood right off the boat.
 
Superfreak said:
1) Had you bothered to read anything... you might have noticed how wrong you are. No one is suggesting that BP is not accountable. They are and they are going to pay for the damage and clean up.

2) That said, it does not absolve the Administration for their lack of effort/slow response.

3) The dispersant being used by BP is ON THE EPA PRE APPROVED LIST... which is CLEARLY STATED IN THE ARTICLE YOU LINKED TO from motherjones.



Also from your article....



Do tell us what the fuck that is supposed to mean....

it is 'they don't have to stop using it because they are using it but they need to stop using it because someone thought there might be an alternative but there isnt an alternative that meets our new list of ... wait... what the hell was I saying?'
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The EPA demanded that BP stop using the corexit, and Damo insists that BP has to do everything that the EPA says...so why are they still using corexit if the EPA has final say?

Now let's discuss your thread: "Chicken...head cut off" or whatever...how many times you rip BP in that thread?

That's what I thought...

See, you keep PAYING LIP SERVICE to the idea you think BP is responsible, but the truth is we never see you posting derisive threads taking them to task...it's just one "Chicken" thread after another.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
The EPA demanded that BP stop using the corexit, and Damo insists that BP has to do everything that the EPA says...so why are they still using corexit if the EPA has final say?

Now let's discuss your thread: "Chicken...head cut off" or whatever...how many times you rip BP in that thread?

That's what I thought...

See, you keep PAYING LIP SERVICE to the idea you think BP is responsible, but the truth is we never see you posting derisive threads taking them to task...it's just one "Chicken" thread after another.
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Try READING the article you linked to....

http://www.epa.gov/emergencies/content/ncp/tox_tables.htm

The dispersant they are using is one of the least toxic, it is readily available and according to the EPA is STILL APPROVED FOR USE. THEY HAVE NOT CHANGED THAT. To demand that BP not use something that they approve of using is nothing short of ignorant. Which is a common problem at government run agencies.

If you bothered to read the threads, I have stated in pretty much every one that BP should be held to task for the fact that they cut corners and that they should be the ones paying for the mess, its clean up and the economic impact the spill has had. But you continue to ignore it because someone dares to question the messiah's leadership capabilities.

As for the thread I started, it was a thread regarding the governments response to this situation. You are more than welcome to start a thread about BP specifically if you wish. To pretend that every thread discussing ANY aspect of the Horizon disaster must cover EVERY point of contention is nothing short of moronic.

The entire point of threads is to discuss issues. If you wish every thread to be all inclusive, then individual issues get blurred in with other individual issues. This makes it easier to distinguish conversations. Which is highly necessary given the number of retarded people like you that post here, yet lack the reading comprehension skills to distinguish multiple discussion points.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Then tell me Mr Fair & Balanced, just exactly how many threads have you started that take BP to task for their part in this disaster?

I can see two threads right here on the front page of the CE forum authored by you targetting President Obama...where's your outrage at BP?
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who is in charge and calling the shots...
 
Smarter Than All Y'All said:
Got a link for that?
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- On the defensive more than five weeks into the nation's worst-ever oil spill, President Barack Obama insisted Thursday that his administration, not oil giant BP, was calling the shots in the still-unsuccessful response.

"I take responsibility. It is my job to make sure that everything is done to shut this down," Obama declared at a news conference in the East Room of the White House. The Gulf of Mexico oil spill dominated the hour-long session.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Fixing-oil-disaster-my-apf-4105228828.html?x=0

now what buckwheat....
 
Yurt said:
WASHINGTON (AP) -- On the defensive more than five weeks into the nation's worst-ever oil spill, President Barack Obama insisted Thursday that his administration, not oil giant BP, was calling the shots in the still-unsuccessful response.

"I take responsibility. It is my job to make sure that everything is done to shut this down," Obama declared at a news conference in the East Room of the White House. The Gulf of Mexico oil spill dominated the hour-long session.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Fixing-oil-disaster-my-apf-4105228828.html?x=0

now what buckwheat....
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You're right. He said it.
 
So just what, specifically, has been the government response to stop the oil and clean up the environment....(other than to blame Bush/Cheney and BP)

Is Obama responsible for the government response so far ? Whats it been...54 days...and still gushing?


Was Bush responsible for the government response to Katrina ?


You are all exactly right on answering the question....
"NOTHING" is absolutely right...
 
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ZappasGuitar said:
Day after day...thread after thread.

I read the whining from one poster after another on these boards claiming they aren't "attacking" President Obama...yet all the threads taking BP to task must be mislabeled, because no matter which forum I check, I don't seem to see any threads devoted to BPs culpability in this.

So until I learn how to read and then can find all those thread where you "fair & balanced" Righties attack BP with the same vehemence you attack our President daily...here's a little tidibt concerning BP's responsibility in all this:

"Environmental advocates cheered Thursday when the EPA demanded that BP ditch the dirty dispersant it has been spreading in the Gulf. EPA gave the company 24 hours to find a "less toxic alternative" and 72 hours to begin using it. But BP chief operating officer Doug Suttles told reporters Friday afternoon that the company couldn't identify a new product and continues to use Corexit, its brand of choice."

The whole article at:http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2010/05/bp-still-using-dirty-dispersant-gulf

I don't remember, but who was it saying that the EPA has to APPROVE everything being done in the Gulf...DAMO?

Sounds like some aren't bothering to listen to the EPA...and it's killing the Gulf of Mexico.
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Well, that’s the fun part of message boarding. One can pontificate and play armchair expert, without having the least little bit of expertise on how some technical, scientific, legal, or regulatory issues play out in the real world. In the world of message boarding, all one has to do to play armchair expert is read two paragraphs of drivel on the Glenn Beck website.

The real world tends to be a little more complicated than message board pontification. My understanding is that USEPA required BP to either stop using that particular dispersant, or to give a plausible explanation as to why they couldn’t immediately transition to another dispersant. There’s a whole host of issues to consider, which are typically more complicated than the simplistic world of message boarding: availability and quantity of commercially available dispersant, the logistics of acquiring and obtaining them, and the complex scientific issues of weighting out risk versus benefit. Regardless of what wingnuts read on the Limbaugh website, EPA nor any other regulatory authority is prone to acting as jack-booted thugs; Nazi regulators who know all the right answers, and mandate with extreme and inflexible hubris on how a discharger cleans up a pollution problem. The default position is that the discharger is in the best position to assess and apply containment strategies – the regulator is in the position of oversight to make the discharger reports what they're doing, is making a credible and conscientious effort; make them explain why they’re doing what they’re doing; and to require changes if and when it is apparent that other feasible containment strategies are clearly and unambiguously a better option.

With regard to other comments submitted on this thread, the default position of any sane person is to completely ignore anyone who spent the first month of this clusterfuck braying about natural seepage, providing BP cover, and/or otherwise downplaying the spill.

They missed the boat, they don’t have a leg to stand on, and they have nothing to add that can be considered credible.

Dudes or gals who were on top of this crap from the beginning have credibility; e.g., I’ll read and consider what Mott has to say because he recognized almost immediately the implications of this spill.

I gotta admit though, I LOL’d when, in the course of 20 minutes, Dixie went from saying this spill wasn’t that big a deal – to saying that it was “Obama’s Katrina”, a disaster of epic and historic proportions. Wingnuts, as per usual, are all over the map. And it’s more fun than a barrel of monkeys to watch!
 
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ZappasGuitar said:
Then tell me Mr Fair & Balanced, just exactly how many threads have you started that take BP to task for their part in this disaster?

I can see two threads right here on the front page of the CE forum authored by you targetting President Obama...where's your outrage at BP?
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IF someone doesn't stand up to defend BP, you pinheads would have the CEO's strung up on bridges along the Gulf Coast by Monday! You are doing quite well blaming BP on your own, without any help from us. Now this is largely due to the fact you are trying to save your incompetent leader's ass on this, but it's not working... 75% of the country thinks he has mishandled this disaster. There's no doubt, tonight we'll hear more excuses from him, more blame on BP, and more talk of how hard they are working to think of a solution! While another 40,000 barrels of crude leaks into the gulf, we have you pinheads cheering because the EPA stopped yet another effort by BP to clean up the spill. Corexit is biodegradable and rated very low toxicity... considerably lower than RAW CRUDE, you dumbfuck!
 
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