ZenMode
Well-known member
service members already know they don't have to follow unlawful orders. They take an oath accordingly.
Congress was saying that the military is ALREADY committing war crimes and tell them to not follow orders.
You must disobey unlawful orders
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Congress was saying that the military is ALREADY committing war crimes and tell them to not follow orders.
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
Let's say that it's true, what is wrong with reminding them?
You're an idiot - even as mindless demagogues go.
No one ordered POW's shot. Given that the USA isn't involved in any wars, we hold no POW's.
You're just lying in hopes of excusing the sedition and incitement to mutiny by the Seditious Six.
IBDaMann
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Nope. We are talking about narco-terrorists who try to fuck with the US Navy when they are obviously completely outgunned.
In short, we're dealing with really stupid narco-terrorists who have earned this year's Darwin awards. The next generation of would-be narco terrorists are rethinking their career paths as we speak.
Trying to go toe-to-toe with the US Navy is stupidity, as is trying to outrun US Navy weaponry.
ZenMode
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First, they don't need reminding. Second, they weren't reminding them. They were saying war crimes are being committed and telling them they don't need to follow orders.
The Seditious Six incited mutiny.
If you had ever been in the service, which you haven't, but if you had, you'd understand just how serious of an act that is.
All 6 should spend a decade in Leavenworth. They won't - Kelly will be dishonorably discharged and that will be the end of it, but they should all face prison for their attempt to foment a coup against the civilian CiC.
The Seditious Six were inciting Mutiny. None of you from Team Evil can come up with any illegal orders, so that has nothing to do with it. This was simply an attempt to foment a military coup.
IBDaMann
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Too funny! Did @AProudLefty just ask what is wrong with insinuating that the President is issuing illegal orders when he isn't? It appears that @AProudLefty's Deaf Studies' failure is multi-dimensional.
Hey, @AProudLefty, the military doesn't need any reminding. They all receive annual mandatory training on the subject. Yes, annual. The Department of
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
The claim was that they told them to disobey every, including legal ones, order by Trump.
Is it factual?
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
They have. In fact I and others have posted a couple.
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
It appears that the Blind and Dum Dum studies have failed you once again.
Did they say Trump was making illegal orders? Yes or no?
Then you agree that there is nothing wrong with reminding them of the duty in case an illegal order occurred.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Why do you think Paul is wrong to call it a crime and ask for it to be investigated?
IBDaMann
Well-known member
AMENDMENT XIV
Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.
Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.
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Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
It's as serious as it gets.
All 5 civilians should receive a speedy and fair trial; the retired Mark Kelly should be reinstated into the Navy and given a speedy and fair courts martial.
If the Navy holds a Courts Martial, Kelly will likely lose his retirement as well.
They should all face a speedy and fair trial with no predetermined verdict or sentence.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
It appears not all of them are following the law by not following unlawful orders...which targeting civilians, especially survivors in the water, would be. It's a war crime and it's murder.
Why are you pro-Trump and against investigating these events?
IBDaMann
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AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
So no. Thanks for your honesty.
So yes to my question. Thanks for your honesty again.
QP!
Verified User
Congress role to check and balance 'Executive Actions' can be looked at like a Prosecutors roll over average citizens.
A prosecutor will say 'doing X is a crime... and if you do X you will be prosecuted'. They are saying that before the crime is judged in court and found to be a crime and that is ok. it is their role.
Similarly Congress crafted these laws, so they are best to speak of breaches of the laws as they intended and when it goes to court it will be tested.
Bullshit.
Or you could list the illegal orders.
Ah, but you won't - you'll make vague reference to some post someone may have made and play your red herring game.
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
I have. A violation of The Posse Comitatus Act in California, for example.
Jake Starkey
Verified User
No, that is not what they said. The military was reminded they were obligated to refuse to obey unlawful orders.
Many in and out of government were saying the President's orders were unlawful.
The President has no power to rule his orders were this or that. Only SCOTUS can do that, or the legislature by law.