You sent your troops here without fuel, food, water or a place to sleep - Newsom

How did you fight while starvating and without sleep? A demoralized troop is not a good thing.

You do what you have to do. During one REFTRA, I was effectively up for a week solid without more than an occasional hour or two of sleep. I can tell you that at about 72 hours it gets damn difficult to focus on anything requiring higher level thinking like writing a log entry, that sort of thing. But you do what you have to do. That's how it works in the military.

If you get handed an MRE for the day, that's what you deal with. If you miss a meal or two because things have to get done, that's what you do.

That isn't demoralizing at all. Having a fucked-up officer in charge, or leadership that doesn't know what the fuck they're doing, is what is demoralizing.
Again, we are not at war. We shouldn't treat it as such.

The military should. If I were there, I'd be spending a lot of time making sure the rank and file knew how to be the most intimidating, badassed, muthurfuckers on the planet in terms of riot control troops. If they have confidence in me, and I have confidence in them, we will get the job done and sleeping on the floor or missing a meal becomes meaningless.

It's clear you've never been in anything like that. I have.
Give them beds and feed them well.
When the leadership gets the chance. Until then, make do with what you have.
 
You do what you have to do. During one REFTRA, I was effectively up for a week solid without more than an occasional hour or two of sleep. I can tell you that at about 72 hours it gets damn difficult to focus on anything requiring higher level thinking like writing a log entry, that sort of thing. But you do what you have to do. That's how it works in the military.

If you get handed an MRE for the day, that's what you deal with. If you miss a meal or two because things have to get done, that's what you do.
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That isn't demoralizing at all. Having a fucked-up officer in charge, or leadership that doesn't know what the fuck they're doing, is what is demoralizing.


The military should. If I were there, I'd be spending a lot of time making sure the rank and file knew how to be the most intimidating, badassed, muthurfuckers on the planet in terms of riot control troops. If they have confidence in me, and I have confidence in them, we will get the job done and sleeping on the floor or missing a meal becomes meaningless.

It's clear you've never been in anything like that. I have.

When the leadership gets the chance. Until then, make do with what you have.
Like a fucked up Commander-in-Chief? A draft-dodging pedophile who gives the orders?
 
You do what you have to do. During one REFTRA, I was effectively up for a week solid without more than an occasional hour or two of sleep. I can tell you that at about 72 hours it gets damn difficult to focus on anything requiring higher level thinking like writing a log entry, that sort of thing. But you do what you have to do. That's how it works in the military.

If you get handed an MRE for the day, that's what you deal with. If you miss a meal or two because things have to get done, that's what you do.

That isn't demoralizing at all. Having a fucked-up officer in charge, or leadership that doesn't know what the fuck they're doing, is what is demoralizing.


The military should. If I were there, I'd be spending a lot of time making sure the rank and file knew how to be the most intimidating, badassed, muthurfuckers on the planet in terms of riot control troops. If they have confidence in me, and I have confidence in them, we will get the job done and sleeping on the floor or missing a meal becomes meaningless.

It's clear you've never been in anything like that. I have.

When the leadership gets the chance. Until then, make do with what you have.
We already have it. It isn't necessary for them to make do with what they have.

Give them beds and food. Shouldn't be any problem.
 
We already have it. It isn't necessary for them to make do with what they have.

Give them beds and food. Shouldn't be any problem.
It can be a problem. Big bureaucracies and organizations have difficulty doing such things if they aren't prepared for them. This is not something the military spends a lot of time preparing for.
 
Giving them beds and foods can be a problem?
Yes. The command (unit) might not be equipped with cots or whatnot depending on its intended, normal, mission. Food, even MRE's have to be ordered from somewhere and then brought to the unit and issued. If the unit lacks integral support troops like cooks and such along with that sort of equipment, then it has to be brought in from some other command. That can take time too.

If the unit isn't issued tents, then alternatives have to be considered or the tents have to be found from some other unit, transferred to the unit that needs them, then issued. The troops may not be trained in setting up such tents. Yes, that's a thing. Have you ever had to set up a 40-man tent? I have. It isn't something you can just do with IKEA instructions.

If lighting and such is to be provided, then generators and the lighting have to be available. If they aren't it requires, again, finding a unit that has them or getting funds into your unit's account to pay for them then contract to rent them. You will also need trained operators (like me) to put the stuff in place and operate it. If you don't have that, you have to spend time and money to get people transferred in that can.
 
Yes. The command (unit) might not be equipped with cots or whatnot depending on its intended, normal, mission. Food, even MRE's have to be ordered from somewhere and then brought to the unit and issued. If the unit lacks integral support troops like cooks and such along with that sort of equipment, then it has to be brought in from some other command. That can take time too.

If the unit isn't issued tents, then alternatives have to be considered or the tents have to be found from some other unit, transferred to the unit that needs them, then issued. The troops may not be trained in setting up such tents. Yes, that's a thing. Have you ever had to set up a 40-man tent? I have. It isn't something you can just do with IKEA instructions.

If lighting and such is to be provided, then generators and the lighting have to be available. If they aren't it requires, again, finding a unit that has them or getting funds into your unit's account to pay for them then contract to rent them. You will also need trained operators (like me) to put the stuff in place and operate it. If you don't have that, you have to spend time and money to get people transferred in that can.
Each one of them were/are available. Simply order catering. Get beds. Etc. Not that hard.

They're in California.
 
Each one of them were/are available. Simply order catering. Get beds. Etc. Not that hard.

They're in California.
Catering requires authorization and funding. It is that hard. You obviously have never had to deal with a military / government budget and funding for something. I have. To do "rations in kind" is not something that's just a snap of the fingers. It requires paperwork and a lot of it.

Getting "beds" that are non-standard items is a major hassle as the second the issue for which they were procured is over, they are now surplus and have to be disposed of as the unit no longer needs them.

And no, unlike the rioters and such, the military can't procure them by looting...
 
Catering in hot food???

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WTF? This is the army not the cub scouts. Grab an MRE,.....they are perfectly fine,...that's why we have them.
 
If you get handed an MRE for the day, that's what you deal with. If you miss a meal or two because things have to get done, that's what you do.
From my understanding, absolutely no logistic means absolutely no logistics. That means no MREs. Remember this is a unit without any support from the DOD: no food, no supplies, and most importantly, no DOD credit cards.

Luckily, they are in the second largest city, with more than enough restaurants. Soldiers are being told to break into small groups, use their own money to buy food at restaurants. If trump were telling the truth about LA being invaded by foreigners, or having an insurrection, this strategy would be a disaster. The small groups of soldiers eating at McDonald's would be massacred. But we are lucky here again, because trump is a liar.

The real question is what is happening to the BAS. Once these National Guard troops were federalized, they began receiving $460 a month to take care of their food needs. This money appears to be being sent to Fort Bliss in Texas. So California troops in California have the money for their food being sent to Texas... The way it is supposed to work is they are supposed to be paid directly BAS II, which would be $920 a month so they can buy their own food.

As for skipping meals, I used to know how much forces degrade every meal missed, but that was a long time ago. They will be deployed for weeks or months, so if they skipped a months worth of food, I would expect the majority of them to be dead. Given they have guns, I doubt it would ever come to that.

Having a fucked-up officer in charge
The officers on the ground are loaning the soldiers who cannot pay for their own food money, and are paying to put diesel in the trucks. Remember they have no DOD credit cards to buy fuel, which means that officers are buying the fuel with their own money. These are officers who have temporarily left good paying jobs, but still have the bills associated with their normal lives. Hopefully, they will get reimbursed sooner or later, but who really knows anymore.

It is seriously fucked up that you would attack these officers.

f I were there, I'd be spending a lot of time making sure the rank and file knew how to be the most intimidating, badassed, muthurfuckers on the planet in terms of riot control troops.
“Amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics", and idiots talk about convincing soldiers to feel things. Real officers are trying to work out the logistics. This is a cluster fuck of epic proportions, and needs to be corrected.

Until then, make do with what you have.
Which is what they are doing. Sadly, the means putting a lot of debt onto their credit cards.

This is not something the military spends a lot of time preparing for.
The military spends a huge amount of time and effort on logistics. If you believe that it does not, I have to ask what color is the sky in your universe?

Grab an MRE
Do you understand that MREs do not grow by the side of the road in LA?

And no, unlike the rioters and such, the military can't procure them by looting...
It is called requisitioning. Legally speaking, soldiers can come in at gunpoint, and demand food or other materials be given to them. They will hand over signed requisition forms, that will, in theory, mean the previous owners of the materials will be paid. We are not there yet, but it is a real possibility.

The only thing that is really limited is taking houses for the troops. The Third Amendment makes that unconstitutional in times of peace. trump has claimed it is not a time of peace, but it would still be extremely legally questionable.
 
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