Zelenskyy now says he will sign the deal...

[Diogenes]

Not really an apples to apples.

Why not?

 

[Earl]

Oranges to oranges?

 

[Uncensored2008]

The EU sent cash aid,

That's nice.

It has nothing to do with the $171 BILLION the Obama administration through their Biden Junta sent to Ukraine. Funny that less than $70 billion actually arrived. A lot of shrinkage, but Biden got a new mansion....

almost all of the aid the USA sent was weapons. You cannot "skim" weapons off the top.

Again, of the $171 billion, less than $70 billion arrived.

Hey, but Hamas and the Mexican Cartels are sure a lot better armed these days - and the Biden Crime Family is a LOT richer...

Technically speaking, Japan never declared war. They meant their withdrawal from negotiations to be a like declaration of war, but knew it was not a declaration of war. They did not want to attack while still negotiating. But the message got delayed, so not only did they attack without declaring war, they attacked while technically still negotiating.

Germany did declare war on the USA after Pearl Harbor, but Japan never declared war on the USA.

False - Germany absolutely did declare war against the U.S.

You just make this shit up, right?

 

[Hawkeye10]

That's nice.

It has nothing to do with the $171 BILLION the Obama administration through their Biden Junta sent to Ukraine. Funny that less than $70 billion actually arrived. A lot of shrinkage, but Biden got a new mansion....




Again, of the $171 billion, less than $70 billion arrived.

Hey, but Hamas and the Mexican Cartels are sure a lot better armed these days - and the Biden Crime Family is a LOT richer...



False - Germany absolutely did declare war against the U.S.

You just make this shit up, right?

Dont get too hung up on numbers, the numbers were fraudulent from the jump, and there are massive problems in putting values on the gear that was sent.

However, there has been massive grift everywhere, and keep in mind that it was long recognized that Ukraine has been the most corrupt nation in Europe....it is one of the main reasons it remained a shit hole even with their enormous resources....which are increasingly Russian.

 

[Hawkeye10]

The Imperial Empire barely paid attention to the numbers Congress gave......they did what they wanted.....dipping onto slush funds....lying about the value of the gear they sent....and they used dark ops money which we were never told about.

 

[christiefan915]

He wasn't there to beg for Americans' tax dollars.

I don't recall you criticizing Fetterman for turning up in the Senate dressed like a bum taking his kid to a ball game.

I don't recall ever criticizing Fetterman, Zelensky or Musk (before today) for how they dress but feel free to refute this, if you can. For the record I criticized Gym Jordan, not for what he wore, but for how he wore it.

What I recall is maga criticizing Obama, Fetterman and Zelensky for their outfits, but not Musk. The hypocrisy is stunning.

 

[Diogenes]

I don't recall ever criticizing Fetterman.

Hypocrite.

 

[christiefan915]

Hypocrite.

I never criticized Musk until magats made such a thing about Zelensky's outfit. Y O U never criticized Musk's outfits, Mr. Hypocrite X Ten.

“[Zelensky's] wearing clothes that connect him to the armed forces, without seeming militaristic, and sending a message that he is focused on practical matters,” Rebecca Arnold, senior lecturer in history of dress at the Courtauld Institute of Art in London, told The Independent.

“The colour is especially important for this – the garments connect with everyday people, making him part of their struggle, too, but the colour and repetition of these clothes make them a uniform for his leadership and suggest he is ready for action.”

She added: “He’s communicating, therefore, with those around him in government, but importantly, through digital and heritage media, he connects to his country’s people and the wider world. It’s the visual and material equivalent of his words – that the world must be united in action.”

How Zelensky’s simple green T-shirt became an iconic message of defiance

Clothes can send a message, even when they are very basic indeed, writes Andrew Buncombe

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Diogenes]

I never criticized Musk until magats made such a thing about Zelensky's outfit. Y O U never criticized Musk's outfits, Mr. Hypocrite X Ten.

“[Zelensky's] wearing clothes that connect him to the armed forces, without seeming militaristic, and sending a message that he is focused on practical matters,” Rebecca Arnold, senior lecturer in history of dress at the Courtauld Institute of Art in London, told The Independent.

“The colour is especially important for this – the garments connect with everyday people, making him part of their struggle, too, but the colour and repetition of these clothes make them a uniform for his leadership and suggest he is ready for action.”

She added: “He’s communicating, therefore, with those around him in government, but importantly, through digital and heritage media, he connects to his country’s people and the wider world. It’s the visual and material equivalent of his words – that the world must be united in action.”

How Zelensky’s simple green T-shirt became an iconic message of defiance

Clothes can send a message, even when they are very basic indeed, writes Andrew Buncombe

www.independent.co.uk

Hypocrite.

 

[christiefan915]

Hypocrite.

 

[Diogenes]

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Hypocrite.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Okay, let's cut the crap: The MAGA foghorn is blowing loud that Zelensky is the bad guy here, if not equal in the crime of hubris with Dump and Little Dump.

GMAFB! Anyone with an 8th of a brain who watched that debacle can clearly see who the adult in the room was. I mean, who was the asshole who made a big deal out of the man not being in a suit & tie? Guess he hasn't seen the various appearances by the Apartheid Punk along side Cheeto Jeezus in the Oval Office over the last week or so.

Prior to the Oval Office Ambush, Zelensky was hammering out a deal with various congress folk regarding mineral resource rights concessions in return for continued US military assistance.

But Dump and Little Dump wanted to show DOMINANCE to their mentally challenged supporters. I mean, the main bitching point was that Zelensky has no say in the negotiation tactics, and he wasn't sufficiently groveling at the feet of the two clowns before him.

As Zelensky stated, "this is no card game, Mr. President".

And Little Dump gave way the REAL reason for the ambush www.newsweek.com/volodymyr-zelensky-jd-vance-campaign-kamala-harris-2024-election-2038060

And the deal that he is about to sign comes AFTER a multitude of foreign nations voiced condemnation of Dump/Little Dump and reaffirmed standing with Ukraine. So the deal that was originally agreed upon is now going through. That's it.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Zelenskyy Says He’ll Sign Minerals Deal And Urges US To ‘Stand More Firmly’ For Ukraine After Oval Office Clash

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy posted a lengthy thread on X Saturday, stating he would sign the minerals deal, but said the Ukrainian people “need to know that America is on our side.”

www.forbes.com

I haven't chimed in on this... but need to. As someone that worked in Naval Intelligence in this very arena that meeting did not make me feel safer or want to cheer on how "tough" either of them was acting.

I was hopeful that something could be done to get it signed though. Having interests there gives the US incentive to help, add security, and to actually maintain a presence depending on how the "peace" looks afterward. Telling them they are "on their own" like that was not quite what I was expecting. Zelenskyy and Trump in a penis measuring contest... <smh>...

That being said, it looks like we may have a path back to the deal.

Agreed the US has interests there but all the Ukrainians want is security against further Russian aggression. Something neither Trump nor JD offered.

 

[Damocles]

Agreed the US has interests there but all the Ukrainians want is security against further Russian aggression. Something neither Trump nor JD offered.

Only if you ignore the interests.

Let's follow that rabbit down the hole. US interest in rare earth elements would ensure US participation, US participation would ensure Russia would not once again invade... because the US would be there... if Russia will not invade because they do not want to bring on the wrath of US. All of this added together equals security for Ukraine.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You seem to frown on a person calling a fag a fag. Why is that actually? Makes no sense. If I call a bear a bear is that wrong too? The liberal mind works in odd ways,...its seems to be built on grievance and being forever offended. Why is calling someone a fag terrible but fine to call them queer ?

^^^
Becomes upset at being called Fat Boy. I Irony

 

[T. A. Gardner]

The problem, Teresa, is that you don't understand anything about geopolitics and global strategy. You think you do, but you're just a brainwashed and inconsequential cog in the machine that owns your existence.

Russia and the US are diametrically opposed politically and culturally. We cannot be allies. You think that abandoning Western culture and liberal democracy will secure the US a place in the future because it will buy Russia as a short term friend. That makes you as anti-American and un-American as can possibly be imagined.

Bullshit. Russia and the US have long been more allies than enemies. The brief interlude of the Leftist Communist government notwithstanding. The US and Russia have never fought a war. Russia and the US have everything to gain from a solid trade situation, and friendly relations. It was only with the period of radical Leftist dictatorship under Communist rule that Russia and the US were at odds. Even then, the two didn't have a war.

For someone who feigns to speak intelligently, your ignorance of world history and present day international relations is staggering. Russia will never be our friend during our lifetimes. Your insistence otherwise is proof positive that you are actually an idiot, a liar, and a truth denier. You are a mouthpiece of the state propaganda media you consume.

Now, as you giggle at Trump pissing all over the world order and every alliance that has mattered for the past 100 years, you had better hope that he dies before he can accomplish all that you think you support. Never forget that you will be as fucked as the rest of us when Putin finishes supplanting Trump with your bitch boy encouragement.

You seem to think the Cold War and a Communist dictatorship in Russia are still going on. That is utter stupidity. It's the kind of idiocy that got us into the Korea and Vietnam wars.

The world order is changing. The US and China are now the two superpowers on the planet. Russia is a second fiddle. The second-tier powers will align to one or the other superpower. The US should be doing everything they can to get those second-tier powers on their side. China certainly is trying to do exactly that.

That isn't a Trump thing, that's a reality whoever is president. Biden was just his typical moron self on foreign policy and fucked things up just like he did his whole political career when it comes to foreign policy.

Biden’s Long Trail of Betrayals

Why is the president so consistently wrong on major foreign-policy matters?

www.theatlantic.com

5 Early Unforced Joe Biden Foreign Policy Errors

President Joe Biden was scheduled to deliver his first major speech on foreign policy today. Instead, it was postponed “due to inclement weather.” Apparently, the two inches of snow that fell on the capital this weekend made travel too risky.

www.heritage.org

Biden’s Foreign-Policy Problem Is Incompetence

The U.S. military’s collapsed pier in Gaza is symbolic of a much bigger issue.

foreignpolicy.com

'A stunner': Foreign policy once again roils Biden’s standing

First Read is your briefing from the NBC News Political Unit on the day’s most important political stories and why they matter.

www.nbcnews.com

Everybody...EVERYBODY... says Biden was a foreign policy disaster. That's not new, it's been Biden's MO since he first took office. Obama was an amateur and even he was better.

The US gains from a strong relationship on positive grounds with Russia. It gets little to nothing backing Ukraine. Putin is nothing special, and is in most ways just the same sort of dictator Zelensky is. There's really nothing to choose between the two other than Zelensky runs a country that doesn't offer much of anything to anyone.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Only if you ignore the interests.

Let's follow that rabbit down the hole. US interest in rare earth elements would ensure US participation, US participation would ensure Russia would not once again invade... because the US would be there...

Give up half of one's nation's wealth without assurances of security against further attack by a known dictator and liar?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

He's dressed that way since Russia invaded, in solidarity with his resisting countrymen and women, who approve. I never heard Americans question it until now. Trump supporters now must question it since Trump just questioned it and it's from Trump they learn how they are supposed to think.

Americans don't give a ship about his "solidarity with his 'resisting' countrymen," except on the Left where political retards rule.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Only if you ignore the interests.

Let's follow that rabbit down the hole. US interest in rare earth elements would ensure US participation, US participation would ensure Russia would not once again invade... because the US would be there... if Russia will not invade because they do not want to bring on the wrath of US. All of this added together equals security for Ukraine.

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Okay, let's cut the crap: The MAGA foghorn is blowing loud that Zelensky is the bad guy here, if not equal in the crime of hubris with Dump and Little Dump.

GMAFB! Anyone with an 8th of a brain who watched that debacle can clearly see who the adult in the room was. I mean, who was the asshole who made a big deal out of the man not being in a suit & tie? Guess he hasn't seen the various appearances by the Apartheid Punk along side Cheeto Jeezus in the Oval Office over the last week or so.

Prior to the Oval Office Ambush, Zelensky was hammering out a deal with various congress folk...

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[Damocles]

Give up half of one's nation's wealth without assurances of security against further attack by a known dictator and liar?

Again. Only if you ignore the interests and what would happen. You pretend that this would all happen in a vacuum. I informed, you ignored. It's a regular pattern. I will say that the appropriate time to talk about the security would be before the agreement was penned and you are showing up to sign it.