Zelenskyy now says he will sign the deal...

Damocles said:
America has given more than every nation in Europe combined, and this guy wanted to play with the lives of his people. I cannot stress enough, if you do not agree with it continue to litigate behind the scenes, do not show up to the signing ceremony and try to litigate the agreement publicly. Leftists seem to think that Zalenskyy was somehow "perfect", didn't act like an entitled child angry at his parents... that was not how you act when you've negotiated an agreement.
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It seems to me Vance was the one trying to litigate it in public.

I think he is trying to save lives by demanding a deal that might prevent Putin from regrouping and invading again in two years. Like last time!
 
FastLane said:
He should have shown up signed the deal and thanked the American people for helping. That way Trump would work harder to get Ukraine a better deal. Z already blew it when he help campaign for Kamala. Z also knows all about Hunter , Joe, and Burisma. Z has been no friend of Trump so anything Trump does now is for the Ukrainian's people plus Trump's desire to recoup money America has spent financing Ukraine's war.
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Indeed.

I believe that even the far left loons know how this is going to end.
 
Earl said:
No, you did not.

You rarely have links, sources or references.

What the hell does this mean:

“Z was not shown the deal until an hour before he was exiting sign.”

You need to hire a 14 year old to post for you.
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www.yahoo.com

Here's the real reason Trump and Zelenskyy's deal blew up in the Oval Office

A meeting between Ukrainian President Zelenskyy and President Donald Trump exploded after Zelenskyy rejected a deal that did not include security guarantees for his country.
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Jarod said:
It seems to me Vance was the one trying to litigate it in public.

I think he is trying to save lives by demanding a deal that might prevent Putin from regrouping and invading again in two years. Like last time!
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LOL. He simply responded to the man who was trying to litigate it, and from a position of entitlement. Even Europe understands that if the US is not involved this will not work.

I think we provided a deal that would prevent Putin from regrouping and invading again in two years. Last time Obama capitulated let him have the Crimean peninsula and did not seek to guarantee American interests like this deal did.
 
Zelenskyy has accomplished this:

(Also based on data from the Institute for the Study of War.) Russia: More than 700,000 killed or injured, according to a January 2025 estimate. 48,000 missing. Ukraine: 400,000 killed or injured, according to a January 2025 estimated.

He has given up his rare earth chemicals.

He has lost large parts of his country.

He will probably have to live in exile in London.
 
Earl said:
Zelenskyy has accomplished this:

(Also based on data from the Institute for the Study of War.) Russia: More than 700,000 killed or injured, according to a January 2025 estimate. 48,000 missing. Ukraine: 400,000 killed or injured, according to a January 2025 estimated.

He has given up his rare earth chemicals.

He has lost large parts of his country.

He will probably have to live in exile in London.
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At least there still is a Ukraine. Everyone including me thought Russia would win this war in two weeks.
 
I believe that this is still being litigated, and Trump left that door open, there is a path to an agreement.

However ending that presser was wise. It was good TV, we get that. Two TV "stars" giving us a show that should never have happened.
 
Damocles said:
LOL. He simply responded to the man who was trying to litigate it, and from a position of entitlement. Even Europe understands that if the US is not involved this will not work.

I think we provided a deal that would prevent Putin from regrouping and invading again in two years. Last time Obama capitulated let him have the Crimean peninsula and did not seek to guarantee American interests like this deal did.
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I don’t agree, Europe is moving on without the United States. They can no longer rely on us and they are taking steps to formulate a peace agreement.

We are losing our position in the world. They are moving on without us.
 
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