BP, I told you so

Rune said:
BP, inevitably, claims that the seafood is all fine: “Seafood from the Gulf of Mexico is among the most tested in the world, and, according to the FDA and NOAA, it is as safe now as it was before the accident.” The Huffington Post, however, cites a findings published by Environmental Health Perspectives which found that the FDA allowed “up to 10,000 times too much contamination” and didn’t identify the risks to children and pregnant women posed by contaminated seafood. Additionally, the study charged that the FDA’s “scientific standards [in 2010] were less stringent” than after the Exxon Valdez spill.
The growing presence of the irreparable damage done of the Gulf eco-system by Deepwater Horizon comes at a time when leaks, spills and sheens continue throughout the area. As the Gulf Restoration Network’s Aaorn Viles pointed out, in the past month alone Louisiana has seen the explosion of a natural gas pipeline, the appearance of a 10 mile sheen between two Shell Oil rigs which Shell vehemently denies responsibility for, a 2000 gallon spill of fuel oil into the Mississippi and confirmation that the Gulf of Mexico’s Taylor Oil Wells have been leaking since 2004.
While BP has just approved an additional $64 million in compensation for Gulf Coast residents whose compensation checks were deemed to be inadequate, the ongoing effects of the spill, and the persistence of additional damage from oil and gas exploration and production could cause damage to a generations old industry which monies simply will not compensate for. The health impacts, on the other hand, are clearly still to be realized.


Read more: Eyeless Shrimp and Deformed Crabs a Serious Problem 2 Years After Gulf Oil Spill | Inhabitat - Sustainable Design Innovation, Eco Architecture, Green Building ​
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Weren't you quoting from NOAA the other day? Apparently they can be trusted to make claims about the weather but not about the Gulf!! It's fascinating that NOAA and the FDA cannot be believed but some hack woman journalist called Charlie is treated with reverence!! :palm:
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Weren't you quoting from NOAA the other day? Apparently they can be trusted to make claims about the weather but not about the Gulf!! It's fascinating that NOAA and the FDA cannot be believed but some hack woman journalist called Charlie is treated with reverence!! :palm:
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Gee Tom, I assumed you would click on the link and see the pretty pictures.
By the way, this is the second time you have needlessly and pointlessly degraded a woman during a conversation with me. Is it your homosexuallity or your misogyny which causes this behavior?
 
Rune said:
Gee Tom, I assumed you would click on the link and see the pretty pictures.
By the way, this is the second time you have needlessly and pointlessly degraded a woman during a conversation with me. Is it your homosexuallity or your misogyny which causes this behavior?
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That's an interesting variation on the "when did you stop beating your wife" question! So if she is the second then who was the first? Either you are the most politically correct blacksmith ever or you are indeed a woman.

I like you but I wouldn't want you working on sub atomic particles.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
That's an interesting variation on the "when did you stop beating your wife" question! So if she is the second then who was the first? Either you are the most politically correct blacksmith ever or you are indeed a woman.

I like you but I wouldn't want you working on sub atomic particles.
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There you go again.
 
Althea said:
If you've seen it, how can you claim that all the toxins in the Gulf have magically disappeared?
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That is known as magic thinking. The amazing thing though, is that he seems to think that as long as he believes we will all believe.
Tom; there is no Great Pumpkin.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Weren't you quoting from NOAA the other day? Apparently they can be trusted to make claims about the weather but not about the Gulf!! It's fascinating that NOAA and the FDA cannot be believed but some hack woman journalist called Charlie is treated with reverence!! :palm:
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Yeah, we were all up in here excitedly typing the words... "Don't mess with Charlie, man!" It was all heated and stuff. Boy were we angry that you were talking about ole Charlie like that. Bastige Brits got no sense of right and wrong. I mean, that's Charlie!

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Damocles said:
Yeah, we were all up in here excitedly typing the words... "Don't mess with Charlie, man!" It was all heated and stuff. Boy were we angry that you were talking about ole Charlie like that. Bastige Brits got no sense of right and wrong. I mean, that's Charlie!

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What's ironic about good old Charlie? She is British!!
 
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Althea said:
If you've seen it, how can you claim that all the toxins in the Gulf have magically disappeared?
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I don't have to claim it, your government agencies claim it! Why should you believe NOAA and the FDA when good old Charlie from Yorkshire has the the real facts!!
 
Rune said:
Tom, what percentage of the Gulf of Mexico does the dead zone occupy? Simple question, see if you can answer it.
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I wouldn't want to deprive you of your gotcha moment. Answer me this, how far was Deepwater Horizon from the Dead Zone?

Seeing as you are so fond of quoting from Wiki, I thought that I would respond in kind.


Low oxygen levels recorded along the Gulf Coast of North America have led to reproductive problems in fish involving decreased size of reproductive organs, low egg counts and lack of spawning.
In a study of the Gulf killifish by the Southeastern Louisiana University done in three bays along the Gulf Coast, fish living in bays where the oxygen levels in the water dropped to 1 to 2 parts per million (ppm) for three or more hours per day were found to have smaller reproductive organs. The male gonads were 34% to 50% as large as males of similar size in bays where the oxygen levels were normal (6 to 8 ppm). Females were found to have ovaries that were half as large as those in normal oxygen levels. The number of eggs in females living in hypoxic waters were only one-seventh the number of eggs in fish living in normal oxygen levels. (Landry, et al., 2004)
Fish raised in laboratory-created hypoxic conditions showed extremely low sex hormone concentrations and increased elevation of activity in two genes triggered by the hypoxia-inductile factor (HIF) protein. Under hypoxic conditions, HIF pairs with another protein, ARNT. The two then bind to DNA in cells, activating genes in those cells.
Under normal oxygen conditions, ARNT combines with estrogen to activate genes. Hypoxic cells in vitro did not react to estrogen placed in the tube. HIF appears to render ARNT unavailable to interact with estrogen, providing a mechanism by which hypoxic conditions alter reproduction in fish. (Johanning, et al., 2004)
It might be expected that fish would flee this potential suffocation, but they are often quickly rendered unconscious and doomed. Slow moving bottom-dwelling creatures like clams, lobsters and oysters are unable to escape. All colonial animals are extinguished. The normal re-mineralization and recycling that occurs among benthic life-forms is stifled.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_zone_(ecology)
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I wouldn't want to deprive you of your gotcha moment. Answer me this, how far was Deepwater Horizon from the Dead Zone?

Seeing as you are so fond of quoting from Wiki, I thought that I would respond in kind.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_zone_%28ecology%29
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Tom, it was a simple question. What percentage of the Gulf of Mexico does the dead zone occupy? Are you capable of answering? The wiki passage you linked did not even address the issue.

So, what is the percentage? 1%? .01%? .001%? Even smaller?

You have tried to use the dead zone to excuse BP's malfeasence, so at least have the decency to prove relevance.
 
Rune said:
Tom, it was a simple question. What percentage of the Gulf of Mexico does the dead zone occupy? Are you capable of answering? The wiki passage you linked did not even address the issue.

So, what is the percentage? 1%? .01%? .001%? Even smaller?

You have tried to use the dead zone to excuse BP's malfeasence, so at least have the decency to prove relevance.
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Do you mean am I capable of getting the answer by using Google? The answer is yes I can, thanks for asking.

I am trying to point out that the Gulf isn't some kind of pristine paradise that is often portrayed by treehuggers with an agenda. How about you tell me how far Deepwater Horizon was from the Mississippi Delta which is far more relevant than the area of the Gulf.
 
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