They should have an election in the Donbas and Crimea and let the people decide if the want to go with Russia or Ukraine.
The Ukraine ‘peace deal’ is proving to be a scam
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They already decided, by referendum....the proper way according to the UN Charter.
Not recently. And with multi national observers.
Independent observers reported many irregularities and the results of the separatist referendums were not officially recognized by any government, including those of Ukraine, the United States, and the countries of the European Union. The Ukrainian government called the referendum „illegal“, and a number of nations—such as Germany, the United States, France, and Britain—called the referendum „unconstitutional“ and „lacking legitimacy“.
Its done, move along.
Had NATO beaten Russia in this war it might have been up for discussion, but that is not what happened.
anonymoose
Classical Liberal
Which has the 11th largest GDP behind #10 Brazil. And 47th per capita.
Its #4 as measured by PPP, the correct way.
And they kick our ass in producing military gear.....both more and better.
moon
Satire for Sanity
Of course not. America continues to exist because the Russians are a stable nuclear power. The USA is losing that designation by the week.
Bear in mind- overstep against the Russians and you and yours are gaseous particles somewhere in the stratosphere.
moon
Satire for Sanity
So you think it's down to money, do you.
Haw, haw..........................................haw.
moon
Satire for Sanity
Another bread head wants to take it with him ^
Haw, haw.............................................haw.
Canada is the second largest country, does the USA have any hope of out powering them?
Yes, Walter, they will be our next state.
moon
Satire for Sanity
Another Trumpist crazie looking to swing from a lamp-post ^
Russia or Canada? Or will we be Russia's next state?
A few months ago, I would have said it was impossible that we would surrender to Russia, but we have trump now.
Perhaps both, Walter...learn Russian.
Where are the surrender documents, Walter?
Poor Walter.
The Ukraine ‘peace deal’ is proving a scam
The White House’s breathless – some might say witless – optimism at the beginning of the talks has evaporated.
Trump himself seems to be waking up to the realisation that the Kremlin is playing him for a fool.
Two rounds of peace talks in, and the basic rhythms of Putin’s unique negotiating style are becoming clear: Lie. Bomb. Lie. Bomb.
Just a day after a new supposed breakthrough this week in Riyadh on a moratorium on attacks in the Black Sea, Putin’s deadly drones once again swarmed into Kharkiv destroying apartments and stores and injuring 21 people.
After Donald Trump spoke to Vladimir Putin earlier this month, the White House claimed that “a future with an improved bilateral relationship between the United States and Russia has huge upside” and spoke of “enormous economic deals and geopolitical stability when peace has been achieved”.
Days later Kremlin representatives sat down with their US counterparts in Saudi Arabia and agreed a partial ceasefire suspending attacks on energy infrastructure. Putin claimed that he had issued orders to cancel an imminent strike. Later that very night Russian missiles rained down on Kyiv, killing a young family in their beds.
This week the pattern has repeated. Putin’s envoys claimed that a ceasefire on the Black Sea had been thrashed out that would allow free export of Russian grain and fertilisers. Another lie, or at least a distraction, because neither commodity is currently sanctioned or restricted.
What the Kremlin really wants is free passage for its oil tankers and cover for its battered Black Sea Fleet to return to its base at Sevastopol, from which it has been forced to withdraw by Ukrainian missile attacks. And even as the delegations flew home, 86 deadly Iranian-made Shahed drones were rolled out of their containers, assembled, armed and launched at Kharkiv. More than 20 made it through Ukrainian defences, bringing more fire and fury to Kharkiv’s long-suffering civilians even as Putin claimed to be talking peace.
But perhaps Trump and his billionaire oil lawyer envoy Steve Witkoff aren’t the suckers that Putin takes them for. For one, the White House’s breathless – some might say witless – optimism at the beginning of the talks has evaporated. The tone of the readout of this week’s talks in Riyadh was bone-dry: “The United States and Russia will continue working toward achieving a durable and lasting peace.”
Trump himself seems to be waking up to the realisation that the Kremlin is playing him for a fool.
The Ukraine ‘peace deal’ is proving a scam
Two rounds of peace talks in, and the basic rhythms of Putin’s unique negotiating style are becoming clear: Lie. Bomb. Lie. Bomb. Just a day after a new supposed breakthrough this week in Riyadh on a moratorium on attacks in the Black Sea, Putin’s deadly drones once again swarmed into Kharkiv...news.yahoo.com
From what I've seen, Russia has always been honest with the U.S. In terms of this alleged peace deal, it was always conditional on the Zelensky Administration doing its part, and Zelensky's made it clear through his Administration's actions that it had no intention of ever doing so. An example published today of this over at Russia's RT:
Kiev again violated US-backed energy ceasefire – Moscow (VIDEO)
The Russian Defense Ministry has reported three more violations of the US-mediated moratorium on attacks against energy sites
I made a thread on this in APP on March 17:
I do believe Trump is being played, but not by Russia, but rather by Ukraine and its European allies. Quoting from the article referenced in my March 17th thread:
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March 16, 2025
By Joe Lauria
Nothing could have been clearer than Russia’s repeated conditions for a permanent end of the war, rather than a temporary ceasefire: Ukraine’s neutrality, its demilitarization and denazification, the inclusion of four Russian-speaking oblasts into the Russian Federation and treaties establishing a new security architecture in Europe.
Equally clear was Ukraine’s utter rejection of these conditions, demanding instead the return of every inch of its territory, including Crimea, and Ukraine’s membership in NATO.
It is the reason the two sides are still fighting a war. It is a war, however, that Ukraine is badly losing. Obscuring that fact is an important aim of Ukraine and its European allies to keep their publics onside.
But it isn’t only their publics that they needs convincing to continue supporting Ukraine, but the president of the United States too.
After the Oval Office dustup, in which Donald Trump and J.D. Vance laid it on the line to Zelensky in public, the Europeans held two summits. At both they made loud noises about continuing to support Zelensky, but also made clear they couldn’t do it without the United States.
Much as they loathe him, Zelensky and the European leaders need Donald Trump. So they set Zelensky up to writing a letter sucking up to Trump, a man clearly susceptible to flattery.
Very likely also influenced by his Secretary of State Marco Rubio and National Security Advisor Michael Waltz, both of whom had previously expressed neocon support for Ukraine and condemnation of Russia, Trump was apparently turned around, convinced to propose the 30-day ceasefire.
Trump then somehow got the notion that Vladimir Putin, despite his oft repeated conditions for ending the war, would yield to pressure. It could be Trump thinks he is a neutral mediator who needs to bully both sides to force them to do a deal.
So after the ceasefire was floated, Trump resumed arms and intelligence flows to Ukraine, new sanctions on Russia were threatened and Ukraine fired 350 drones at residential areas of Moscow just as Trump’s envoy Steve Witkoff was arriving in Moscow to discuss the ceasefire.
Like Casting a Lone Veto
All this was designed to push Putin to accept it or appear like a man guilty of rejecting peace. If U.S. arms, intelligence and sanctions had not deterred Putin before, why would it now?
Putin saw this as the public relations exercise that it is and treated it as such. He responded with public relations of his own.
Instead of firmly saying the expected, “No,” he said, “Yes,” followed by “nuances,” such as who would monitor such a ceasefire along a 2,000-kilometer front?
He said such a ceasefire could not begin as occupying Ukrainian troops were encircled on Russian territory; and, crucially, that a 30-day ceasefire — with no Ukrainian rearmament — could only mark the start of talks for a permanent settlement. Putin exposed the motive to give Ukrainian troops on the run a chance to regroup.
Just as designed, Zelensky and European leaders blasted Putin for being a man who loves war, and hates peace.
At the U.N. Security Council, which I covered as a correspondent for a quarter of a century, I often saw countries introduce resolutions for a vote even though they were certain one of the five permanent members would veto it.
Diplomats explained that this was done on purpose to force the arm of that nation’s ambassador to be the lone one raised in opposition to the measure for all the world to see, causing it maximum public embarrassment.
That is precisely the exercise we have seen with this phony ceasefire proposal. The Europeans and the Ukrainians are trying to milk it for all it’s worth. Zelensky did a selfie video to call Putin a “manipulator” of world leaders.
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In the end, the “ceasefire” gambit may create more public sympathy for Ukraine. But the big question is whether it will harden Trump against Russia by continuing arms shipments and intelligence and perhaps levelling new sanctions against Moscow.
All that would do, however, is prolong the death and destruction. Without NATO’s direct participation in the war against Russia, which would risk nuclear annihilation, the outcome of the war is certain. Because of that, Trump could resume pressure on Zelensky to essentially give up instead.
The ball is now in Trump’s court.
The course of this three-year conflict since Russia’s intervention makes clear that the longer Ukraine tries to fight, the worse deal it will get, no matter how many public relations points it might win along the way.
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Full article:
https://consortiumnews.com/2025/03/16/the-phony-ceasefire/
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