The Ukraine ‘peace deal’ is proving to be a scam

I heard on my grapevine today blah blah blah blah
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Its #4 as measured by PPP, the correct way.

And they kick our ass in producing military gear.....both more and better.
The purpose of the American Military Industrial Complex is wealth extraction, not protecting America.

The Russians have a better idea.
Western military gear burned just as well in Kursk as it did during the Spring Offensive.....that deeply idiotic plan that went nowhere.
Western military gear burned just as well in Kursk as it did during the Spring Offensive.....that deeply idiotic plan that went nowhere.
"THE F-16 WILL SAVE THE DAY!"

Um.....No.
That the F-35 is an enormously expensive piece of shit can no longer be hidden.

The NAVY is scrapping ships only a few years old because they are useless.
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He isn't going to do anything but what he's always done, invade and loot as many of his neighbors as he can. Nobody is stopping him now, so he can break any treaty he wants to , and has.

Not Trump's best moment, listening to too many halfwit isolationist morons.
What screams "halfwit" are idiots like you defending the status quo and basically saying that endless war is an awesome idea.

You define stupid.
 
Yes. And these clueless ideologues think Putin can start 'WW III N Stuff'. lol

Trump's Me policies are working well, though. And, he will have to adjust his Euro policies in the face of Putin's 'Fuck You, HaHaHa' soon.
Last time I looked, estimates suggest that Putin possesses a total of 5,580 nuclear warheads.

Yes, he is capable of starting a global nuclear conflict you brainless twat. :palm:
 
The U.S. can wipe out Russia's entire nuclear threat in a matter of minutes, and without using a single nuke of its own.

Bold, yet moronic talk, from a basement dwelling gamer. :palm:

Your hysterical rubbish just helps Putin, not the Ukraine or the world. Appeasing vermin only increases the liklihood of world war, always has and always will..

The hysterical rubbish is all yours, basement dwelling gamer dumbass.
 
Ofcourse not, which I strongly suspect is why he's put so much effort into these peace initiatives with the U.S.
A peace initiative would be Putin NOT invading a sovereign country for no reason.

Putin had -very- good reasons for starting his military operation in Ukraine. What happened in Ukraine had been predicted 10 years ago by Professor John Mearsheimer. Business Today wrote a good article on this fact earlier this month:
 
Putin had -very- good reasons for starting his military operation in Ukraine. What happened in Ukraine had been predicted 10 years ago by Professor John Mearsheimer. Business Today wrote a good article on this fact earlier this month:
Ukraine is nothing. The US doesn't need Ukraine for anything, they are not using Ukraine to "defeat" Putin, nor do they need to. The US convinced Ukraine to get rid of all of its Nukes that it had specifically to protect itself from Russia.
 
Trump, being a bit less senile than Biden, has also put in some effort. It's obvious to anyone with a keen eye that a lot more is going to be needed to actually -achieve- a serious peace, but so long as a good chunk of energy is engaged in peace efforts, it's unlikely that things will escalate to nuclear annihilation. Which is a win for everyone.
This, what, the third time Putin has invaded Urkaine?

I'm sure you're well aware that Russia initially insisted that their war in Ukraine be called a Special Military Operation. They have now settled on calling it a war, but I can understand why they'd be so careful of the wording when it comes to their war in Ukraine. I think the reason is fairly clear- Russia's goal was never one of conquest, which is what invasions are usually about. Instead, its primary purpose was to secure Russia's borders from hostile countries. Ukraine proved that it was quite hostile to Russia by its killing of thousands of Russian speakers and ethnic Russians in the civil war that preceded Russia's military operation in Ukraine, between 2014 and 2022. As I've mentioned elsewhere, it seems clear to me that the final straw was Ukraine's renewed assault on the Donbass Republics just days before Russia's military operation in Ukraine began. I know of only a single author who brought up this point, along with evidence to back it up, former Swiss Intelligence Officer Jacques Baud. Quoting from the article in which he did so:
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In fact, as early as February 16 [2022], Joe Biden knows that the Ukrainians began to shell the civilian populations of Donbass, putting Vladimir Putin in front of a difficult choice: to help Donbass militarily and create an international problem or to sit idle and watch Russian speakers from the Donbass being run over.

If he decides to intervene, Vladimir Putin can invoke the international obligation of “ Responsibility To Protect ” (R2P). But he knows that whatever its nature or scale, the intervention will trigger a shower of sanctions. Therefore, whether its intervention is limited to the Donbass or whether it goes further to put pressure on the West for the status of Ukraine, the price to be paid will be the same. This is what he explains in his speech on February 21.

That day, he acceded to the request of the Duma and recognized the independence of the two Republics of Donbass and, in the process, he signed treaties of friendship and assistance with them.

The Ukrainian artillery bombardments on the populations of Donbass continued and, on February 23, the two Republics requested military aid from Russia. On the 24th, Vladimir Putin invokes Article 51 of the United Nations Charter which provides for mutual military assistance within the framework of a defensive alliance.

In order to make the Russian intervention totally illegal in the eyes of the public we deliberately obscure the fact that the war actually started on February 16th. The Ukrainian army was preparing to attack the Donbass as early as 2021, as certain Russian and European intelligence services were well aware… The lawyers will judge.

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Full article:
 
Ukraine is nothing. The US doesn't need Ukraine for anything, they are not using Ukraine to "defeat" Putin, nor do they need to. The US convinced Ukraine to get rid of all of its Nukes that it had specifically to protect itself from Russia.
You are wrong on all counts.
 
Putin had -very- good reasons for starting his military operation in Ukraine. What happened in Ukraine had been predicted 10 years ago by Professor John Mearsheimer. Business Today wrote a good article on this fact earlier this month:
Ukraine is nothing.

According to who?

The US doesn't need Ukraine for anything, they are not using Ukraine to "defeat" Putin, nor do they need to.

I agree that the U.S. doesn't need Ukraine. I also think at this point that the U.S. has realized that it can't defeat Putin, or perhaps more accurately, Russia itself. But early on, it was clear that the U.S. -did- want to weaken Russia. Here's a BBC article on the subject, a few months into Russia's special military operation in Ukraine:

In truth, I think the West's actions have only angered the Russian bear. Fortunately, Putin is at the helm and he seems quite averse to escalating this into a nuclear conflict.
 
According to who?



I agree that the U.S. doesn't need Ukraine. I also think at this point that the U.S. has realized that it can't defeat Putin, or perhaps more accurately, Russia itself. But early on, it was clear that the U.S. -did- want to weaken Russia. Here's a BBC article on the subject, a few months into Russia's special military operation in Ukraine:

In truth, I think the West's actions have only angered the Russian bear. Fortunately, Putin is at the helm and he seems quite averse to escalating this into a nuclear conflict.
Russia/Putin wanted to invade Ukraine and it found an excuse, not a reason. There is a difference. Again, the US got Ukraine to get rid of ALL nukes. Ukraine had those nukes to protect itself from Russia because there is no world in which Ukraine as going to invade Russia.

Russia is the aggressor this time just as they have been all previous times.

As is often the case, you find sources with the most ridiculous and implausible narratives/theories... and you accept them as truth.
 
Russia/Putin wanted to invade Ukraine and it found an excuse, not a reason. There is a difference. Again, the US got Ukraine to get rid of ALL nukes. Ukraine had those nukes to protect itself from Russia because there is no world in which Ukraine as going to invade Russia.

As is often the case, you find sources with the most ridiculous narratives/theories... and you accept them as truth.
The NUKES legally belonged to Russia, Russia always had the codes Ukraine never did, and never was going to be able to use them.....nor did Ukraine have the ability to store them safely which is why they were encouraged to move fast to get them to Russia.

The reason they were in Ukraine is because the Soviet Union fell too fast to get them to Russia before the fall.

U No Nothing.
 
Russia had very good reasons to start its military operation in Ukraine, as I explained to you in post #71.
Nothing was explained. That is one person's bass ackwards opinion.

No, it was the logical analysis of someone who analyzed data for a living. Here's part of his biography from Wikipedia:
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Between 1983 and 1990, Jacques Baud was a member of the Swiss Strategic Intelligence Service , in charge of Warsaw Pact forces east of the Iron Curtain and around the world.

In 1995, due to his knowledge of Africa and anti -personnel mines , he was sent on mission to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees in Goma (then in Zaire ), as head of security for Rwandan refugee camps in Zaire, in order to prevent ethnic cleansing . In 1997, he was sent to found a project to contribute to the fight against anti-personnel mines . He was sent as an expert to the Mine Action Service of the United Nations Department of Peacekeeping Operations in New York.

In 2002, he was hired at the Centre for International Security Policy (CPSI) at the Federal Department of Foreign Affairs , a newly created Swiss institution. In 2005, the United Nations asked him to head the first multidisciplinary civil-military intelligence centre ( Joint Mission Analysis Centre (JMAC)) of the United Nations Mission in Sudan ( Khartoum ). In 2009-2011, he was called to New York as Chief of Policy and Doctrine in the Office of Military Affairs of the Department of Peacekeeping Operations (DPKO). There, he worked in particular on civil-military operations, the improvement of operational intelligence, the integration of women in peacekeeping operations and the protection of civilians. In 2011, he was called by the African Union to head the Research Department of the International Peace Support Training Centre (IPSTC) in Nairobi ( Kenya ). At the end of his mandate, he was appointed Head of the fight against the proliferation of small arms and against mines of the Political Affairs and Security Policy Division at NATO in Brussels.

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It appears that it was in his last mentioned capacity above that he entered Ukraine. From Jacques' article that I've quoted to you previously:
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In 2014, I am at NATO, responsible for the fight against the proliferation of small arms, and we are trying to detect Russian arms deliveries to the rebels in order to see if Moscow is involved. The information that we receive then comes practically all from the Polish intelligence services and does not “match” with the information from the OSCE: in spite of rather crude allegations, we do not observe any delivery of arms and materials Russian military.

The rebels are armed thanks to the defections of Russian-speaking Ukrainian units which cross over to the rebel side. As the Ukrainian failures progressed, the entire tank, artillery or anti-aircraft battalions swelled the ranks of the autonomists. This is what drives the Ukrainians to commit to the Minsk Accords.

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He isn't going to do anything but what he's always done, invade and loot as many of his neighbors as he can.
He didn't.
Nobody is stopping him now, so he can break any treaty he wants to , and has.
Putin has agreed to a ceasefire, but Ukraine hasn't. It is Zelensky continuing this war. Putin will not cease fire until Zelensky stops mongering war.
Not Trump's best moment, listening to too many halfwit isolationist morons.
It certainly was one of them! It showed the world Zelensky's war mongering. He has NO interesting in stopping any war, even though Putin has already agreed to a ceasefire.

But I guess you forgot that already. You must've overloaded your few brain cells on something else.
 
Putin had -very- good reasons for starting his military operation in Ukraine. What happened in Ukraine had been predicted 10 years ago by Professor John Mearsheimer. Business Today wrote a good article on this fact earlier this month:
Ukraine has the right to self-governance. They could make their own best decisions. Russia has never been a good neighbor. They are expansionist. When Ukraine tried to join NATO, it was a decision that a sovereign nation had the right to make. They were getting more westernized and more friendly with Europe. They feared Russia. Everything they were afraid of came true.
 
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