The Ukraine ‘peace deal’ is proving to be a scam

[EdwinA]

I don't know about them wanting to restart a cold war, and I suspect it's not so much a matter of forgetting so much as only paying attention to the western mainstream media, which tends to omit any news that doesn't fit its narrative. This story published today on Russia's RT comes to mind:

UK, France involved in Kiev’s latest attack on Russian energy infrastructure – Moscow

British specialists set coordinates for a Ukrainian missile system that hit a gas metering station, foreign ministry spokesperson has said

www.rt.com

lol as if Russia is some hapless victim of evul warmongers. You people are seriously mentally ill.

 

[EdwinA]

Nothing was explained. That is one person's bass ackwards opinion.

According to the Russian media hacks here, invading Crimea and stealing over half of the Ukraine, and then invading the other half was really just all about peace and love. lol

 

[EdwinA]

Ukraine is nothing. The US doesn't need Ukraine for anything, they are not using Ukraine to "defeat" Putin, nor do they need to. The US convinced Ukraine to get rid of all of its Nukes that it had specifically to protect itself from Russia.

We guaranteed their safety, and now we're welching on it. Not a good policy just to appease a few hippies.Russia has violated every treaty it ever made since Lenin seized power. Leopards don't change their spots.

 

[Scott]

I don't know about them wanting to restart a cold war, and I suspect it's not so much a matter of forgetting so much as only paying attention to the western mainstream media, which tends to omit any news that doesn't fit its narrative. This story published today on Russia's RT comes to mind:

UK, France involved in Kiev’s latest attack on Russian energy infrastructure – Moscow

British specialists set coordinates for a Ukrainian missile system that hit a gas metering station, foreign ministry spokesperson has said

www.rt.com

lol as if Russia is some hapless victim of evul warmongers.

No, Russia is too strong to simply be a victim. They fight back.

 

[Scott]

According to the Russian media hacks here, invading Crimea

Russia didn't "invade" Crimea, they allowed Crimea to rejoin Russia after Crimeans voted overwhelmingly to do so. Crimea was Russian for a lot longer than they were Ukrainian. As of now, I only know of a single angle from a western journalist who actually went to Crimea after it returned to Russia and wrote an article of her time there. That article can be seen here:

Return to Russia: Crimeans Tell the Real Story of the 2014 Referendum and Their Lives Since

Eva Bartlett traveled to Crimea to see how people have fared since their country reunited with Russia and what the referendum was really like

www.mintpressnews.com

 

[Scott]

We guaranteed their safety, and now we're welching on it.

No, the U.S. did that a long time ago, when it destroyed Ukrainian stability by supporting those behind the Euromaidan coup back in 2014. A good article on that:

Timeline: Euromaidan, the original “Ukraine Crisis”

As Russia actually do launch an invasion or “special operation” in Ukraine, we thought now was a good time to recap on how we got here. The historical, political and ethnic divisions in…

off-guardian.org

 

[Hawkeye10]

No, Russia is too strong to simply be a victim. They fight back.

And they dont bluff, and they are establishing a brand of telling the truth and being a good friend to their friends.

The opposite of America.

 

[Hawkeye10]

No, the U.S. did that a long time ago, when it destroyed Ukrainian stability by supporting those behind the Euromaidan coup back in 2014. A good article on that:

Timeline: Euromaidan, the original “Ukraine Crisis”

As Russia actually do launch an invasion or “special operation” in Ukraine, we thought now was a good time to recap on how we got here. The historical, political and ethnic divisions in…

off-guardian.org

The Imperial Empire (the Swamp) organized and funded the 2014 regime change.

 

[Hawkeye10]

"I dont think that he (Putin) believes that they're (negotiations with the Imperial Empire) going to go anywhere"
Alexander

 

[EdwinA]

No, the U.S. did that a long time ago, when it destroyed Ukrainian stability by supporting those behind the Euromaidan coup back in 2014. A good article on that:

Timeline: Euromaidan, the original “Ukraine Crisis”

As Russia actually do launch an invasion or “special operation” in Ukraine, we thought now was a good time to recap on how we got here. The historical, political and ethnic divisions in…

off-guardian.org

Did you get shot in the head during the Gulf War and survived?

 

[EdwinA]

Russia didn't "invade" Crimea, they allowed Crimea to rejoin Russia after Crimeans voted overwhelmingly to do so. Crimea was Russian for a lot longer than they were Ukrainian. As of now, I only know of a single angle from a western journalist who actually went to Crimea after it returned to Russia and wrote an article of her time there. That article can be seen here:

Return to Russia: Crimeans Tell the Real Story of the 2014 Referendum and Their Lives Since

Eva Bartlett traveled to Crimea to see how people have fared since their country reunited with Russia and what the referendum was really like

www.mintpressnews.com

lol sure .... then a bunch of pigs with wings flew by and everybody danced. Sure thing, Ivan.

 

[Hawkeye10]

The Duran says that the Black Sea ceasefire is dead because neither the Ukrainians nor the Europeans are prepared to honor it.

The Russians are now warning that the Energy Sector cease fire is on life support because the Ukrainians/NATO has never honored it.

 

[Margot]

6 months ago:


Trump: "I will end the war in 24 hours."

Me: "Putin is going to play Trump as the fool."

Apparently like the first four days of creation ,Trump days aren't 24 hour days

 

[Nordberg]

The war is easy to end. Putin can stop attacking a neighboring country. he started it. He can go home.

 

[Walt]

Last I heard, Putin was still willing to let Ukraine hold on to Odessa

Worth noting, Putin tried his best to take Odesa and failed. The people of Odesa fought and kept their freedom. Russia was pushed back across the Dnieper River, and do not seem to have the military technology to cross over a well guarded river.

most if not all of what it still holds

Putin has made clear that he wants territorial concessions that he was unable to win in the war. He wants what he calls the four Donbas Provinces, when he has only been able to capture two thirds of them. He wants to be allowed to cross the Dnieper River unopposed, when he was unable to cross it when opposed.

And what does Ukraine get in return for surrendering all their defenses? A 30 day ceasefire followed by immediate war.

 

[Into the Night]

Horseshit.

It's your paradox, moonbat. You cannot clear your paradox by denying it.

 

[Into the Night]

An excuse is not the same as a reason.

Word games won't work, Void.

 

[Into the Night]

Not going to be baited into taking the road to Retardville today.

You don't need a road. You're already there. You never left it.

 

[Into the Night]

The answer is way over your head, so no point in wasting time on it.

Complexity fallacy.

Just keep parsing and parroting what you're told to, and take frequent naps.

Inversion fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

The war is easy to end. Putin can stop attacking a neighboring country. he started it. He can go home.

Just as soon as Zelensky stops attacking Russia.