The Ukraine ‘peace deal’ is proving to be a scam

[Into the Night]

I imagine moon's fully aware that it wouldn't just be the U.S. going up in smoke. The point is that Russia isn't backing down and the more the U.S. escalates, the more the risk of nuclear annihilation looms for everyone. I have the sense that Trump is somewhat less senile than Biden and is taking steps to avoid this fate. His effort to find a peace deal may not yet have born fruit, but he hasn't stopped trying.

Why should Russia back down while Zelensky keeps attacking it???

Now you try a 'whatif'????

 

[Into the Night]

Yes. And these clueless ideologues think Putin can start 'WW III N Stuff'. lol

He could, but he won't. Zelensky might, though!

Trump's Me policies are working well, though. And, he will have to adjust his Euro policies in the face of Putin's 'Fuck You, HaHaHa' soon.

Random phrases (possible hallucination...fear mongering...?). No apparent coherency.

 

[Into the Night]

The U.S. can wipe out Russia's entire nuclear threat in a matter of minutes, and without using a single nuke of its own.

And just how would it go about doing that, moron?

Your hysterical rubbish just helps Putin, not the Ukraine or the world. Appeasing vermin only increases the liklihood of world war, always has and always will..

Putin is not interested in world war. Zelensky is.

 

[Into the Night]

A peace initiative would be Putin NOT invading a sovereign country for no reason.

This, what, the third time Putin has invaded Urkaine? There's no reason to believe long term peace is possible any more than it's possible to have long term peace between Gaza and Israel.

He had a reason, Void. Otherwise he would not have invaded. Putin has already agreed to a ceasefre, but Zelensky has to stop attacking Russia.

 

[Into the Night]

That is why the USA will never be the world's dominant country.

Paradox. Irrational. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox, moonbat! You cannot claim the US is responsible for negotiating a peace deal and not at the same time! You are also completely ignoring the fact that the U.S. feeds the world. It also leads the world in software development and many other products.

 

[Into the Night]

You are wrong on all counts.

Argument of the Stone fallacy. 'Talk to the hand" doesn't work here.

 

[Into the Night]

Russia/Putin wanted to invade Ukraine and it found an excuse, not a reason. There is a difference.

No difference. Word games won't work, Void.

Again, the US got Ukraine to get rid of ALL nukes. Ukraine had those nukes to protect itself from Russia because there is no world in which Ukraine as going to invade Russia.

Go read that treaty, Void.

Russia is the aggressor this time just as they have been all previous times.

Blatant lie (inversion).

As is often the case, you find sources with the most ridiculous and implausible narratives/theories... and you accept them as truth.

Bulverism fallacy.

 

[Scott]

Putin had -very- good reasons for starting his military operation in Ukraine. What happened in Ukraine had been predicted 10 years ago by Professor John Mearsheimer. Business Today wrote a good article on this fact earlier this month:

'Ukraine going to be wrecked': After Zelenskyy-Trump spat, John Mearsheimer's 2015 prediction goes viral

In this video, Mearsheimer can be heard making some startling predictions about Ukraine riding high on the backing of the US and other Western powers.

www.businesstoday.in

Ukraine has the right to self-governance.

Agreed, and it had just that before the U.S. meddled in its affairs, leading to the elected Ukrainian President of the time, Viktor Yanukovych, fleeing for his life back in 2014:

Timeline: Euromaidan, the original “Ukraine Crisis”

As Russia actually do launch an invasion or “special operation” in Ukraine, we thought now was a good time to recap on how we got here. The historical, political and ethnic divisions in…

off-guardian.org

Ever since then, Ukraine's basically been a puppet state of the United States, or as Zelensky put it so well back when he was still just a comedian, an "American henchman":

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Irs1aGIUg&ab_channel=ATruthSeeker


I'm going to quote him, it's just such a priceless speech from Ukraine's current President:
**
Today, our President, the most important one, Barack Obama, has promised that we will join NATO soon, as an American Henchman, of course. If you can please send me Hitler's book "Mein Kampf". They are sold out here.
**

Comedy gold, especially since it's so true.

It's time to end this charade of Ukraine being anything other than a puppet state to western interests and neo nazis.

 

[Into the Night]

Nothing was explained. That is one person's bass ackwards opinion.

Yes it was, Void. Argument of the Stone fallacy.

 

[Scott]

I imagine moon's fully aware that it wouldn't just be the U.S. going up in smoke. The point is that Russia isn't backing down and the more the U.S. escalates, the more the risk of nuclear annihilation looms for everyone. I have the sense that Trump is somewhat less senile than Biden and is taking steps to avoid this fate. His effort to find a peace deal may not yet have born fruit, but he hasn't stopped trying.

Why should Russia back down while Zelensky keeps attacking it???

It shouldn't, ofcourse, I'm just pointing out that Russia is fully amenable to a -serious- peace deal, where Ukraine actually holds up its end of the bargain.

 

[Into the Night]

Ukraine has the right to self-governance.

They seem to be losing that right, thanks to Zelensky's war mongering.

 

[Scott]

That is why the USA will never be the world's dominant country.

Paradox. Irrational. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox, moonbat! You cannot claim the US is responsible for negotiating a peace deal and not at the same time! You are also completely ignoring the fact that the U.S. feeds the world. It also leads the world in software development and many other products.

Perhaps what moon meant is that we are entering a multi polar world and the U.S. can no longer ignore what other powerful nations want, such as the United States' ignoring Russia's concerns leading up to its war in Ukraine.

 

[Into the Night]

It shouldn't, ofcourse, I'm just pointing out that Russia is fully amenable to a -serious- peace deal, where Ukraine actually holds up its end of the bargain.

People here seem to forget that. They want to restart the Cold War.

 

[Scott]

Ukraine has the right to self-governance.

They seem to be losing that right, thanks to Zelensky's war mongering.

Ukraine still has a chance, but the longer it waits, the smaller a nation it will probably become. Last I heard, Putin was still willing to let Ukraine hold on to Odessa and most if not all of what it still holds, but he basically said that this is a limited time offer. If Russia takes as part of its ongoing war with Ukraine before a peace agreement, they may not be willing to give it back.

 

[Scott]

It shouldn't, ofcourse, I'm just pointing out that Russia is fully amenable to a -serious- peace deal, where Ukraine actually holds up its end of the bargain.

People here seem to forget that. They want to restart the Cold War.

I don't know about them wanting to restart a cold war, and I suspect it's not so much a matter of forgetting so much as only paying attention to the western mainstream media, which tends to omit any news that doesn't fit its narrative. This story published today on Russia's RT comes to mind:

UK, France involved in Kiev’s latest attack on Russian energy infrastructure – Moscow

British specialists set coordinates for a Ukrainian missile system that hit a gas metering station, foreign ministry spokesperson has said

www.rt.com

 

[moon]

Another brainless dumbass terrorist hugger who supports terrorists, despots and dictators.

Poor Troofie thinks that subjugated people are the terrorists.

 

[moon]

Paradox. Irrational. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox, moonbat! You cannot claim the US is responsible for negotiating a peace deal and not at the same time! You are also completely ignoring the fact that the U.S. feeds the world. It also leads the world in software development and many other products.

Horseshit.

Here are some other amusing Nightsoil pronouncements;

These are recent ' Into the Nightsoil's' statements ;

"Sweden is not to the east of the UK "
" There is no such science as paleoclimatology "
" There is no such thing as an unwritten Constitution "
" There were WMD in Iraq "
"There is no "weaponization of the dollar"
"Covid does not kill ."
"It is not possible to have a variant of a variant. "(Subvariants do not exist )
"Israel doesn't want to eradicate Palestine "
"The Arctic isn't melting "
"I don't need to seek attention"
"The age of the earth is unknown "
" Genocide Joe is a socialist "
" Trump has committed no crime. "


Dumbass or troll ?
Both.

 

[ZenMode]

He had a reason, Void. Otherwise he would not have invaded. Putin has already agreed to a ceasefre, but Zelensky has to stop attacking Russia.

An excuse is not the same as a reason.

 

[ZenMode]

No difference. Word games won't work, Void.

Go read that treaty, Void.

Blatant lie (inversion).

Bulverism fallacy.

Not going to be baited into taking the road to Retardville today.

 

[EdwinA]

And just how would it go about doing that, moron?

Putin is not interested in world war. Zelensky is.

The answer is way over your head, so no point in wasting time on it. Just keep parsing and parroting what you're told to, and take frequent naps.