Donald Trump's Pathways to a Third Term

Earl said:
Asked if wanted a third term, Trump replied: "I like working."

"I'm not joking. But I'm not—it is far too early to think about it."

"There are methods [by] which you could do it," he later added.

What People Are Saying​

Stephen Gillers, a law professor at New York University, told Newsweek that there are a number of methods by which Trump could seek another term, using the assistance of Vice President JD Vance.


1. The Vance Presidency​

"Trump can be nominated as vice president with Vance nominated to be president, Gillers said. "If the Vance-Trump ticket wins, Vance resigns and Trump becomes president. He then chooses Vance to be his vice president. The Senate would have to confirm Vance," he added.

"There is one possible problem with this tactic. The last sentence of the 12th amendment says: 'But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of vice president of the United States,'" Gillers said.

"However, it was written long before the 22nd amendment's two-term limit and probably refers to [minimum] age, 35 years old, and citizenship, naturally born in the U.S., which were and are the constitutional eligibility requirements.

"Further, the 22nd amendment prohibits Trump from 'being elected' president more than twice. But in this sequence, Trump is not being 'elected' president, but vice president."


2. The President/Vice President Resignation​

"The second workaround is this: Vance runs for president and someone else is on the ticket for vice president, maybe Don Jr. They win. Don Jr. quits and Vance picks Trump to be vice president with Senate confirmation," Gillers said.

"So Trump is not 'elected' to anything, not even vice president. Then Vance quits, Trump becomes president, though not through election. He chooses Vance as his vice president with Senate confirmation."

Gillers stressed that he is "just identifying these paths, not endorsing them."

3. A Constitutional Amendment​

Trump could seek to change the U.S. Constitution's ban on a third presidential term.


According to the Office of the Federal Register, "an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures."

Former federal prosecutor Neama Rahmani told Newsweek: "Politically, Trump doesn't have the votes to repeal the 22nd Amendment, either in Congress or the states."

What Happens Next​

Trump said in his NBC interview that he is focused on his current presidential term and that it is too early to decide if he will seek a third term.

However, he was familiar with the method by which Vance could be elected president and resign to make way for Trump.
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#3 won't happen. Both #1 and #2 require JD giving up the reins of power to Pedo Don. I doubt even JD is that fucked up.
 
Walt said:
For trump, immunity is linked to power. he definitely needs that immunity.
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As time goes by, more and more people are figuring out that Trump would throw them under a bus if it served his purposes. Trump has no honor and is only loyal to himself. Pedo Don would throw his own kids under a bus in order to save his own ass.

Yes, Trump needs immunity, but he will probably die of natural causes first before his army of lawyers ran out of appeals. Elon Musk and others may not be so lucky.
 
A new poll by Harvard CAPS-Harris reveals the majority of the country backs President Donald J. Trump and his actions to bring much-needed reforms that are making America great again.


  • Americans overwhelmingly support President Trump’s agenda.
    • 81% support deporting criminal illegal immigrants.
    • 76% support a “full-scale effort to find and eliminate fraud and waste in government.”
    • 76% support closing the border with additional security and policies.
    • 69% support keeping men out of women’s sports.
    • 68% support government declaring there are only two genders.
    • 65% support ending race-based hiring in government.
    • 63% support “freezing and re-evaluating all foreign aid expenditures and the department that handled them.”
    • 61% support reciprocal tariffs.
    • 60% support direct U.S. negotiations with Russia to end the war in Ukraine.
    • 59% support cutting government spending already approved by Congress.
    • 57% support ending the ban on new offshore drilling.
  • Most Americans approve of President Trump’s job performance — including pluralities of men, women, independents, and Americans who live in urban, suburban, and rural areas — while almost six-in-ten say he’s doing a better job than President Biden.
  • Almost half of Americans believe the U.S. economy is “strong” under President Trump — the highest number since 2021 — while a plurality say his policies will make them “financially better off.”
  • Americans are significantly more optimistic about the direction of the country, with those who say we’re on the right track up 14 points over last month.
  • Americans strongly support President Trump’s effort to root out waste, fraud, and abuse in government.
    • 77% support a “full examination of all government expenditures.”
    • 72% agree there should be a government agency “focused on efficiency.”
    • 70% say government is “filled with waste, fraud, and inefficiency.”
    • Two-thirds say Congress should join the “effort to reduce government expenditures.”
  • Americans back President Trump’s action to protect American workers.
    • 61% support reciprocal tariffs.
    • 57% say tariffs are an “effective foreign and economic policy tool.”
    • 54% say tariffs will help get “concessions from other countries.”
  • President Trump, Vice President JD Vance, Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard, and Attorney General Pam Bondi all enjoy net positive favorability.
 
Earl said:
A new poll by Harvard CAPS-Harris reveals the majority of the country backs President Donald J. Trump and his actions to bring much-needed reforms that are making America great again.


  • Americans overwhelmingly support President Trump’s agenda.
    • 81% support deporting criminal illegal immigrants.
    • 76% support a “full-scale effort to find and eliminate fraud and waste in government.”
    • 76% support closing the border with additional security and policies.
    • 69% support keeping men out of women’s sports.
    • 68% support government declaring there are only two genders.
    • 65% support ending race-based hiring in government.
    • 63% support “freezing and re-evaluating all foreign aid expenditures and the department that handled them.”
    • 61% support reciprocal tariffs.
    • 60% support direct U.S. negotiations with Russia to end the war in Ukraine.
    • 59% support cutting government spending already approved by Congress.
    • 57% support ending the ban on new offshore drilling.
  • Most Americans approve of President Trump’s job performance — including pluralities of men, women, independents, and Americans who live in urban, suburban, and rural areas — while almost six-in-ten say he’s doing a better job than President Biden.
  • Almost half of Americans believe the U.S. economy is “strong” under President Trump — the highest number since 2021 — while a plurality say his policies will make them “financially better off.”
  • Americans are significantly more optimistic about the direction of the country, with those who say we’re on the right track up 14 points over last month.
  • Americans strongly support President Trump’s effort to root out waste, fraud, and abuse in government.
    • 77% support a “full examination of all government expenditures.”
    • 72% agree there should be a government agency “focused on efficiency.”
    • 70% say government is “filled with waste, fraud, and inefficiency.”
    • Two-thirds say Congress should join the “effort to reduce government expenditures.”
  • Americans back President Trump’s action to protect American workers.
    • 61% support reciprocal tariffs.
    • 57% say tariffs are an “effective foreign and economic policy tool.”
    • 54% say tariffs will help get “concessions from other countries.”
  • President Trump, Vice President JD Vance, Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard, and Attorney General Pam Bondi all enjoy net positive favorability.
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What was the date on that new poll?
 
Earl said:
A new poll by Harvard CAPS-Harris reveals the majority of the country backs President Donald J. Trump and his actions to bring much-needed reforms that are making America great again.


  • Americans overwhelmingly support President Trump’s agenda.
    • 81% support deporting criminal illegal immigrants.
    • 76% support a “full-scale effort to find and eliminate fraud and waste in government.”
    • 76% support closing the border with additional security and policies.
    • 69% support keeping men out of women’s sports.
    • 68% support government declaring there are only two genders.
    • 65% support ending race-based hiring in government.
    • 63% support “freezing and re-evaluating all foreign aid expenditures and the department that handled them.”
    • 61% support reciprocal tariffs.
    • 60% support direct U.S. negotiations with Russia to end the war in Ukraine.
    • 59% support cutting government spending already approved by Congress.
    • 57% support ending the ban on new offshore drilling.
  • Most Americans approve of President Trump’s job performance — including pluralities of men, women, independents, and Americans who live in urban, suburban, and rural areas — while almost six-in-ten say he’s doing a better job than President Biden.
  • Almost half of Americans believe the U.S. economy is “strong” under President Trump — the highest number since 2021 — while a plurality say his policies will make them “financially better off.”
  • Americans are significantly more optimistic about the direction of the country, with those who say we’re on the right track up 14 points over last month.
  • Americans strongly support President Trump’s effort to root out waste, fraud, and abuse in government.
    • 77% support a “full examination of all government expenditures.”
    • 72% agree there should be a government agency “focused on efficiency.”
    • 70% say government is “filled with waste, fraud, and inefficiency.”
    • Two-thirds say Congress should join the “effort to reduce government expenditures.”
  • Americans back President Trump’s action to protect American workers.
    • 61% support reciprocal tariffs.
    • 57% say tariffs are an “effective foreign and economic policy tool.”
    • 54% say tariffs will help get “concessions from other countries.”
  • President Trump, Vice President JD Vance, Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard, and Attorney General Pam Bondi all enjoy net positive favorability.
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First, ex-Captain Earl, that poll was last month, only a month into Trump's term. You knuckleheads keep saying, "he's only been in office two months. Give him a chance" then flip-flop and declare victory less barely two months into his term.

The stock market is down, the economic forecast is grim. Once the impact of Musk's chainsawing our government begins to impact most Americans be it veterans, tax returns, health services, etc, that's when you'll see the negative impact upon Trump's numbers.

The only chance they have of winning the Midterms is for the DOGE to rig the election...which they are already working on.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
12th Amendment. last sentence.

"But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."
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A good catch but the link below notes the wording of electing and serving. SCOTUS might have to decide on that one. Still, I strongly doubt JD is so stupid as to hand it over and step down.

Abstract: Does the Constitution limit the ability of a twice-before-elected President to serve as Vice-President? This question presents an intricate constitutional puzzle, the solution of which requires working through four separate sub-inquiries: Is a two-term President wholly ineligible for the vicepresidency? Is such a person barred from election to the vice-presidency even if that person remains appointable to that office? Is a twice-before-elected President, even if properly placed in the vice-presidency, incapable of succeeding to the presidency? And if such a succession occurs, must the resulting term of service as President expire after two years? This Article addresses each of these questions by exploring the implications of the decisive constitutional texts—Article II’s enumeration of presidential qualifications, the Twelfth Amendment’s treatment of qualifications for the vice-presidency, and the post-service limitations placed on two-term Presidents by the TwentySecond Amendment. Some analysts have argued that the Constitution forecloses the possibility that a twice-before-elected President can hold (or at least secure election to) the vice-presidential office. However, the text and history of the relevant constitutional provisions point to the opposite conclusion: A twice-before-elected President may become Vice-President, either through appointment or through election, and thereafter succeed from that office to the presidency for the full remainder of the pending term.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
A good catch but the link below notes the wording of electing and serving. SCOTUS might have to decide on that one. Still, I strongly doubt JD is so stupid as to hand it over and step down.

Abstract: Does the Constitution limit the ability of a twice-before-elected President to serve as Vice-President? This question presents an intricate constitutional puzzle, the solution of which requires working through four separate sub-inquiries: Is a two-term President wholly ineligible for the vicepresidency? Is such a person barred from election to the vice-presidency even if that person remains appointable to that office? Is a twice-before-elected President, even if properly placed in the vice-presidency, incapable of succeeding to the presidency? And if such a succession occurs, must the resulting term of service as President expire after two years? This Article addresses each of these questions by exploring the implications of the decisive constitutional texts—Article II’s enumeration of presidential qualifications, the Twelfth Amendment’s treatment of qualifications for the vice-presidency, and the post-service limitations placed on two-term Presidents by the TwentySecond Amendment. Some analysts have argued that the Constitution forecloses the possibility that a twice-before-elected President can hold (or at least secure election to) the vice-presidential office. However, the text and history of the relevant constitutional provisions point to the opposite conclusion: A twice-before-elected President may become Vice-President, either through appointment or through election, and thereafter succeed from that office to the presidency for the full remainder of the pending term.
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leave it to lawyers to try and obfuscate a simple issue, but the wording is very clear and concise. having served 2 terms as president, said person is not eligible to serve as VP, elected or appointed.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
As time goes by, more and more people are figuring out that Trump would throw them under a bus if it served his purposes. Trump has no honor and is only loyal to himself. Pedo Don would throw his own kids under a bus in order to save his own ass.

Yes, Trump needs immunity, but he will probably die of natural causes first before his army of lawyers ran out of appeals. Elon Musk and others may not be so lucky.
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Agreed, there will be a price to pay, by someone... trump will have to pay any prices in the afterlife. he is in very poor health.
 
anonymoose said:
I can’t believe you’re actually concerned about this. It won’t happen. :palm:
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Earl posted stupidity that is ruminating among the MAGA atmosphere. The origin of such clap trap was floated during the Reagan years right before the "Great Communicator" became obvious with the beginnings of brain rot. Walt responded. That's what this site is all about .... post and response. What's your problem?
 
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