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And it was conservatives who forced unions to not allow closed shop contracts that destroyed unions.
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No, I noted that it didn't help their earnings. Their earnings dropped far before that though.
Duh, there was this President in the 80s. I think he might have been conservative.
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Reagan had nothing to do with the "right to work" laws. It was an entirely state level things. It's in both of our states. I've never seen a union worker.
He had much to do with the Amnesty that I spoke of and had the goal that I spoke of as well. Shoot, it was Caesar Chavez's Union that Reagan killed with that one. It was already on the downward trend.
Each time you start spouting this stuff you wind up schooled. Why do you keep doing it?
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May I also declare ownage? If that's all it takes to win an argument, we should both do it, and see how it turns out.
Look. Each time you get emotive rather than actually reading my posts you start in on the angry stuff and wind up totally wrong. You make statements like "Nobody at all was hurt by that!" then find out you were utterly wrong about that.
It quite literally was designed to hurt one specific group, and it worked.
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The government programs did much - in the beginning - to equalize relative earnings between races. But only at first. Things level off starting in the early 70s because what assistance programs could do had reached their limit. Unfortunately, the way the programs were designed made it difficult for people to get off of them once they were in the system. Assistance became a trap which lasted with minimal gains through the rest of the 70s, all the 80s, and the early 90s.
Then some significant welfare redesign was pushed through. Much of that redesign was hogwash that simply cut people off while leaving them in the same trap. But then some of it did help eliminate the trap like quality of assistance programs, and some progress was made again. But like before, the minimal improvement to assistance made in welfare reform quickly hit its ceiling, and blacks are once again trapped in a system that provides "assistance" which results in being trapped in the level set by the assistance programs.
Similar things happened to Native Americans with the federal assistance given under the reservation system. In the 70s the best thing an NA could do is tell the feds "keep it" to their assistance and walk off the reservation. Frankly, then and now, telling the feds to keep their assistance is the best thing a black could do for themselves.
Then some significant welfare redesign was pushed through. Much of that redesign was hogwash that simply cut people off while leaving them in the same trap. But then some of it did help eliminate the trap like quality of assistance programs, and some progress was made again. But like before, the minimal improvement to assistance made in welfare reform quickly hit its ceiling, and blacks are once again trapped in a system that provides "assistance" which results in being trapped in the level set by the assistance programs.
Similar things happened to Native Americans with the federal assistance given under the reservation system. In the 70s the best thing an NA could do is tell the feds "keep it" to their assistance and walk off the reservation. Frankly, then and now, telling the feds to keep their assistance is the best thing a black could do for themselves.
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The Reagan Amnesty told potential illegal aliens, that if they could get into the US and hold on long enough, they'd be given permanent legal status. That was all they needed to hear. They started flooding across the border in the late 80s after Reagan signed the first amnesty, and haven't stopped since, helped by the Fed govt's almost complete lack of border enforcement.
Many of them wound up working for jobs paying miserable wages, $1/hr or less, which was still more than they could get in Mexico. But my guess is, that huge influx of very-low-pay workers, dragged down the per capita income of "all Hispanics" as the chart shows.
Hispanics who were born here, or who got legal resident status, have mostly not been affected. They still work at the same wage levels as the rest of the (legal) population. But the chart shows ALL Hispanics with jobs - including the mostly-Hispanic illegal alien population, which has exploded hugely since the 1980s. So the average goes way down, even though legal-resident Hispanics suffered no real income losses.
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A rabidly conservative and nativist version of what I just said.
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Came to power en masse? LOL.... Dems still controlled Congress during the 80's. There was a four year stint that the Reps controlled the Senate, but at no time did they gain control of the House.
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An endless parade of liberals who can't refute the data or the conclusions, yet still refuse to accept the truth. They seem to fall back to simply calling it names, such as "conservative".
They are correct.
Project much?
The data you provided doesn't support your statements. Therein lies the problem. It is abundantly clear from poverty statistics and income statistics that the Great Society and War on Poverty programs were effective at reducing poverty and increasing income among blacks on a much larger scale than the preceding years.
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Listen to yourself.
Blacks had been steadily and rapidly improving their lot from WWII onwards. Then poverty programs took effect in the mid to late 60s. Within a few years, black improvements had come to a halt, and remained stagnant throughout the 70s. And you call those programs a "resounding success". Who do you think you're kidding?
It's not my eyes that need checking. The evidence on the charts is clear. It's you who are completely missing what's in front of your face. The funny part is, you seem to expect others to be as myopic and (did someone say "lying?) as you are.
The liberal programs of the 60s onward, have been a complete failure, even after billions and billions have been spent. It was only tax cuts by various conservatives, that let blacks gain any small increase in wages, prosperity etc... only to be pushed back down by tax increases on people pushed into higher tax brackets by inflation, until Reagan put an end to that practice too.
And after mounting evidence of the failures of liberal program after liberal program, the audacity with which liberals STILL push the same old failed aganda, is nothing short of breathtaking. One might almost refer to them, by now, as "noxious fucks who haven't a clue". Wouldn't one?
But I don't bother referring to them as that, since I'm not a potty-mouthed adolescent who can't prove them wrong. I find it perfectly adequate to point out their programs, point out the results, and let intelligent people draw their own conclusions. And if a few people on the other side can't see what's in front of their faces, there's not much more I can do for them.
You're out of your mind.
You still haven't shown the evidence that blacks had been steadily and rapidly improving their lot from WWII onwards. You posted data from 1959 onwards which showed that the Great Society and War on Poverty programs, enacted in 1964 and 1965 were hugely successful until the Nixon and Ford administrations cut their funding to shit. Blacks had a poverty rate in excess of 50% in 1960 (some "steadily and rapidly improving" stats there) which was cut to roughly half of that by 1970. The programs were successful.
Further, that Reagan tax cut crap is laughable. Check your charts again and please explain how blacks benefited from Reagan's tax cuts. Seems to me that per capita income among black fell during Reagan's term and the percentage of black persons living in poverty increased.
Noxious fuck is pretty accurate.