8x more likely to be killed by a cop than a terrorist

[SmarterthanYou]

to see if there was any authority behind the claim......there wasn't......

are you not capable of reading the footnotes? Do I need to post the sources for that as well?

 

[PostmodernProphet]

are you not capable of reading the footnotes? Do I need to post the sources for that as well?

of course?....is there some reason we should just assume Clayton Cramer and David Kopel had actual statistics from the NSC?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

of course?....is there some reason we should just assume Clayton Cramer and David Kopel had actual statistics from the NSC?

because that's how it is normally done in the world of journalism, but hey, that's cool. you'll be asking for all original sources for everything in the future, right?

 

[PostmodernProphet]

because that's how it is normally done in the world of journalism, but hey, that's cool. you'll be asking for all original sources for everything in the future, right?

really?....I assume almost everything I read in a biased journal or blog is false.......

 

[SmarterthanYou]

really?....I assume almost everything I read in a biased journal or blog is false.......

do you then assume everything is a falsehood? or do you have an approved list of sources you'll readily believe unless they write bad stories about cops?

 

[PostmodernProphet]

/yawn.....look, if you want to start throwing statistics around, particularly when they look like outrageous claims, you ought to be prepared to demonstrate they are something more than just outrageous claims......this time you fell short......

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

/yawn.....look, if you want to start throwing statistics around, particularly when they look like outrageous claims, you ought to be prepared to demonstrate they are something more than just outrageous claims......this time you fell short......

He has a habit of refusing to back up his claims by insisting that he's posted lots of threads on the same subject in the past.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

/yawn.....look, if you want to start throwing statistics around, particularly when they look like outrageous claims, you ought to be prepared to demonstrate they are something more than just outrageous claims......this time you fell short......

no, I did not fall short. I didn't do anything different than 95% of the journalists and commentators do. I presented you with the statements and backed it up with where the info came from. You don't like that it paints cops in a bad light, so you called it an outrageous claim and moved the goal posts. you failed.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

He has a habit of refusing to back up his claims by insisting that he's posted lots of threads on the same subject in the past.

you have a habit of acting like a fucktard with senility.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

no, I did not fall short. I didn't do anything different than 95% of the journalists and commentators do. I presented you with the statements and backed it up with where the info came from. You don't like that it paints cops in a bad light, so you called it an outrageous claim and moved the goal posts. you failed.

do we have a single number from you to support the claim of "8x"......even the number which DOES show up in your article computes to 5x......11% versus 2%.......

 

[SmarterthanYou]

do we have a single number from you to support the claim of "8x"......even the number which DOES show up in your article computes to 5x......11% versus 2%.......

I gave two articles referencing the 8x number which both pointed to the NSC of 2004. that's not good enough for you, you want to see the NSC. I gave you the statement and document for 11% vs 2%, with the footnote of the reference, but you want the reference. I get it. anything to do with cops, law enforcement, or government misconduct, you want the original report or documentation. i'll make sure that if you ever post references to anything, you get the original report or documentation.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

I gave two articles referencing the 8x number which both pointed to the NSC of 2004. that's not good enough for you, you want to see the NSC. I gave you the statement and document for 11% vs 2%, with the footnote of the reference, but you want the reference. I get it. anything to do with cops, law enforcement, or government misconduct, you want the original report or documentation. i'll make sure that if you ever post references to anything, you get the original report or documentation.

I just want accurate numbers.....which you obviously don't have.....

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I just want accurate numbers.....which you obviously don't have.....

what you want is the original documents, probably to see what stats were used to come up with those numbers. I gave you the numbers as printed officially. debunk it if you can.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

you have a habit of acting like a fucktard with senility.

So you don't deny that you habitually refuse to prove that the things you say are true.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

probably to see what stats were used to come up with those numbers

spot on....without the stats, the claim is meaningless.....

 

[SmarterthanYou]

spot on....without the stats, the claim is meaningless.....

like i said, you want original documentation. why do I think that you wouldn't demand original documentation for something slamming liberals?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

So you don't deny that you habitually refuse to prove that the things you say are true.

so you don't deny that you're a liberal troll with nothing to contribute to the forum.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

like i said, you want original documentation. why do I think that you wouldn't demand original documentation for something slamming liberals?

well, we all know I love liberals, but be specific....does the slam against liberals state a statistic that sounds absurd?.....

 

[SmarterthanYou]

well, we all know I love liberals, but be specific....does the slam against liberals state a statistic that sounds absurd?.....

i gotta ask, what sounds absurd about the 8x number or the 11% number?

 

[PostmodernProphet]

i gotta ask, what sounds absurd about the 8x number or the 11% number?

well, right off the bat the "authority" you claim comes to 5X rather than 8X, secondly, the claim comes third hand from whatever the actual numbers are with no hint of what numbers were used to compare or where the numbers came from, even they even came from somewhere beyond someone's imagination.......

seriously, how did they derive at the number and for what year.....did they compare four deaths at the hands of anti-abortion activists in 2003 versus 32 deaths at the hand of police officers?.....what is the basis for the claim?.....