A President Needs Good Judgment Rather than Experience

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McCain's experience has not done a thing to improve his judgment.

http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=2311

A President Needs Good Judgment Rather than Experience

In her “I’m just a hockey mom” speech at the Republican National Convention, Sarah Palin—who has rapidly rocketed from an unknown, recently-minted governor of Alaska to Republican Vice Presidential candidate—questioned, with a straight face, whether Barack Obama has had enough experience and accomplishments to be president. Republican pundits piled on, saying the Obama has had no “executive experience.” The Republicans then rounded out their attack by claiming that such experience is especially needed now because “we live in dangerous times.”

Palin is asking the public to overlook the fact that John McCain, at 72, would be the oldest president ever to take office and that she, as his potential successor in the event of an emergency, would have only the experience as mayor of a small Alaskan town and as Alaska’s governor for less than two years. She may have more executive experience than Obama, but he will have served four years on the Senate Foreign Relations committee by the time of his inauguration. Palin has no foreign policy or national security experience. Like Obama, McCain also has had less executive rather than legislative experience, which includes serving on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

But pundits always refer to experience as if it were an end in itself. The assumption seems to be that experience improves future judgment when crisis arises. But what if you don’t learn much from your experiences or learn the wrong things?

Richard Nixon was one of the most experienced people ever to take the office of president—having served in the Senate and eight years as vice president—yet he made a thorough mess of things domestically and had a mixed record in foreign policy. Similarly, James Buchanan had been a U.S. congressman and senator, minister (ambassador) to Russia and Great Britain, and secretary of state before becoming chief executive, but his poor policies as president helped cause the bloody Civil War. On the other hand, Chester Arthur only held two mid-level jobs in New York and was vice president for a mere six months before taking over for James Garfield after he was assassinated in 1881. Yet Arthur was a good president. The only reason he is not better known is because he was not president during a war (a good thing if you stop and think about it) and did not exude charisma (although he was a snappy dresser).

In John McCain’s case, it can be argued that he hasn’t learned much from serving in Vietnam, which turned out to be one of the worst interventionist debacles in American history. Unlike others who have been made skeptical of U.S. adventurism overseas by their service in Vietnam—former Secretary of State and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Colin Powell, Senator Chuck Hagel (R-Nebraska), Senator John Kerry (D-Massachusetts), and the late Lt. Gen. William Odom, director of President Ronald Reagan’s National Security Agency—McCain revels in being a neoconservative hawk. Phillip Butler, a former naval aviator who knew McCain well while at the Naval Academy and who was a prisoner of war in Vietnam for eight years, respects McCain but is going to vote for Obama, because he thinks McCain learned the wrong lessons from that war.

McCain advocated doubling down and deepening U.S. involvement in the Iraq quagmire long before President George W. Bush signed on to the policy. Apparently still thirsting for revenge, Cold War-style, McCain advocated kicking Russia out of the G-8 group of industrial countries even before the recent conflict in Georgia. And after the conflict erupted, McCain—apparently overlooking the fact that the reckless Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili started it—made bellicose statements toward Russia and proposed that NATO rethink its April 2008 decision not to give Georgia a path toward membership in the alliance. The conflict, of course, dramatically illustrated that admitting a country with such a rash leader into the alliance and guaranteeing its security by treaty could drag the United States into an unneeded conflict with a nuclear-armed great power; it also demonstrated that the faraway United States could do little to effectively defend a nation in close proximity to Russia against overwhelming Russian local military superiority.

Obama, although less experienced than McCain in national security matters, seems to have better judgment and instincts. He was against invading Iraq from the start, has astutely championed withdrawing U.S. combat forces during what is likely to be a temporary lull in violence, and was much more measured about the conflict in Georgia, which threatened no vital U.S. strategic interest.

Thus, experience does not necessarily produce good policy instincts—in fact, in McCain’s case, he seems to have been co-opted into bad judgments by serving too long in Washington’s military-industrial-congressional complex. Observers of the elections should remain undistracted by the superficial debate on “experience” and should focus directly on the candidates’ judgment.
 
You guys are fucking idiots who wouldn't know 'good judgment' if it jumped up and bit you in the ass! In your delusional little pinhead world, you think most Americans want us to get out of Iraq at any and all costs, and that isn't the case. Most Americans, regardless of how they feel about whether we should have gone, want us to come home victorious, having achieved something for our efforts. But because of some pea-brain hyped up liberal anti-war poll somewhere, you think people believe like you do, which is like a bunch of retards. America is not retarded, that is your fundamental flaw here!
 
You guys are fucking idiots who wouldn't know 'good judgment' if it jumped up and bit you in the ass! In your delusional little pinhead world, you think most Americans want us to get out of Iraq at any and all costs, and that isn't the case. Most Americans, regardless of how they feel about whether we should have gone, want us to come home victorious, having achieved something for our efforts. But because of some pea-brain hyped up liberal anti-war poll somewhere, you think people believe like you do, which is like a bunch of retards. America is not retarded, that is your fundamental flaw here!

Dixie, you have basically said nothing in this statement besides "You are retarded". You have a habit of turning simple statements into dozens of paragraphs, and it's really annoying.
 
God, Dixie does use a lot of words to say nothing.

Dixie - we all want something good to come out of this war; there are probably few who opposed the war more than I do, but even I want something good to come out of it. You guys keep calling it "victory" - whatever floats your boat, I guess. I'd like us to be able to leave honorably & with Iraq resembling a stable country that can defend itself.

As for the judgment that got us there - absolutely abysmal, and MOST Americans agree on that at this point. McCain blew the call, and it was a big, big call to blow...
 
LOL... We're really getting desperate now, aren't we?

Obama's judgment is questionable on a number of levels, to many Americans.
We know, particularly to partisans of questionable judgement and penchants towards extremism who have been wrong on practically every issue. Like you! LOL
 
You guys are fucking idiots who wouldn't know 'good judgment' if it jumped up and bit you in the ass! In your delusional little pinhead world, you think most Americans want us to get out of Iraq at any and all costs, and that isn't the case. Most Americans, regardless of how they feel about whether we should have gone, want us to come home victorious, having achieved something for our efforts. But because of some pea-brain hyped up liberal anti-war poll somewhere, you think people believe like you do, which is like a bunch of retards. America is not retarded, that is your fundamental flaw here!

Were an idiot? You're witless leader has us bogged down in an immoral war in which he lied to the American public and which witless fools like you have supported and in which 100's of billions in treasure and tens of thousands of lives have been wasted. We cannot possibly win a war with an ambigeous open ended strategic objective. We cannot possibly win in Iraq, we can only set up a stable government and LEAVE. Iraqi's don't give a flying fuck about your home boy, redneck, southern niave tae, hillbilly hard right extremist politics and you certainly don't speak for the majority of Americans who WANT US THE FUCK OUT OF THERE!
 
God, Dixie does use a lot of words to say nothing.

Dixie - we all want something good to come out of this war; there are probably few who opposed the war more than I do, but even I want something good to come out of it. You guys keep calling it "victory" - whatever floats your boat, I guess. I'd like us to be able to leave honorably & with Iraq resembling a stable country that can defend itself.

As for the judgment that got us there - absolutely abysmal, and MOST Americans agree on that at this point. McCain blew the call, and it was a big, big call to blow...

No he didn't moron, he voted along with the majority of congress, based on the intelligence we had at the time, to go into Iraq. As it turned out, the intel was not accurate, but the decision was not made based on that fact, because no one knew that fact! It's scary to think an Obama presidency would have taken NO action, given what we thought to be the case in Iraq. Furthermore, a unilateral withdrawal of US forces from the region at this time, would put our interests in grave danger and hand alQaeda a huge win. This is what Obama has proposed, to the cheers of his idiot base! You are all a bunch of retards with no sense, and no fundamental understanding of the world we live in. About 20% of the nation agrees with your bird-brained lunacy, the rest of us fully understand why we have to stay there and complete the job.
 
"No he didn't moron, he voted along with the majority of congress, based on the intelligence we had at the time, to go into Iraq."

And the rewriting of history is almost complete.

Dixie - can you please produce the resolution that Congress voted on "to go into Iraq?"
 
"No he didn't moron, he voted along with the majority of congress, based on the intelligence we had at the time, to go into Iraq."

And the rewriting of history is almost complete.

Dixie - can you please produce the resolution that Congress voted on "to go into Iraq?"

I'm not debating Iraq anymore, it has been debated countless times, we've been through every detail at least a dozen times in hundreds of threads, and it seems rather pointless to continue this stupid and idiotic debate. I am not here to change your minds about Iraq, and you are not going to change mine, so what is the point?

I'm telling you, your position on Iraq, is not the typical American's position, and you are going to find that out in November. I think it is probably the single biggest flaw in your political strategy for '08, to make this election about "the war" instead of other things. Most people realize we have an obligation to complete the job there and not just pull out and come home. Most people realize we simply CAN'T just pull out and come home, including Obama! Most people realize, and have realized for some time, that we are not going to just pull out and come home, regardless of WHO is president!
 
I'm not asking you to debate Iraq, Dixie. It's a simple question.

You said that there was a resolution in Congress to "go to Iraq." I have followed this very closely over the past 5+ years, and I can't recall a resolution like that.

Can you produce it?
 
I'm not asking you to debate Iraq, Dixie. It's a simple question.

You said that there was a resolution in Congress to "go to Iraq." I have followed this very closely over the past 5+ years, and I can't recall a resolution like that.

Can you produce it?

Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq

Whereas in 1990 in response to Iraq's war of aggression against and illegal occupation of Kuwait, the United States forged a coalition of nations to liberate Kuwait and its people in order to defend the national security of the United States and enforce United Nations Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq;

Whereas after the liberation of Kuwait in 1991, Iraq entered into a United Nations sponsored cease-fire agreement pursuant to which Iraq unequivocally agreed, among other things, to eliminate its nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons programs and the means to deliver and develop them, and to end its support for international terrorism;

Whereas the efforts of international weapons inspectors, United States intelligence agencies, and Iraqi defectors led to the discovery that Iraq had large stockpiles of chemical weapons and a large scale biological weapons program, and that Iraq had an advanced nuclear weapons development program that was much closer to producing a nuclear weapon than intelligence reporting had previously indicated;

Whereas Iraq, in direct and flagrant violation of the cease-fire, attempted to thwart the efforts of weapons inspectors to identify and destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction stockpiles and development capabilities, which finally resulted in the withdrawal of inspectors from Iraq on October 31, 1998;

Whereas in 1998 Congress concluded that Iraq's continuing weapons of mass destruction programs threatened vital United States interests and international peace and security, declared Iraq to be in "material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations" and urged the President "to take appropriate action, in accordance with the Constitution and relevant laws of the United States, to bring Iraq into compliance with its international obligations" (Public Law 105-235);

Whereas Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region and remains in material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations;

Whereas Iraq persists in violating resolutions of the United Nations Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its civilian population thereby threatening international peace and security in the region, by refusing to release, repatriate, or account for non-Iraqi citizens wrongfully detained by Iraq, including an American serviceman, and by failing to return property wrongfully seized by Iraq from Kuwait;

Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people;

Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States, including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush and by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council;

Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;

Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of American citizens;

Whereas the attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001 underscored the gravity of the threat posed by the acquisition of weapons of mass destruction by international terrorist organizations;

Whereas Iraq's demonstrated capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction, the risk that the current Iraqi regime will either employ those weapons to launch a surprise attack against the United States or its Armed Forces or provide them to international terrorists who would do so, and the extreme magnitude of harm that would result to the United States and its citizens from such an attack, combine to justify action by the United States to defend itself;

Whereas United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 authorizes the use of all necessary means to enforce United Nations Security Council Resolution 660 and subsequent relevant resolutions and to compel Iraq to cease certain activities that threaten international peace and security, including the development of weapons of mass destruction and refusal or obstruction of United Nations weapons inspections in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687, repression of its civilian population in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688, and threatening its neighbors or United Nations operations in Iraq in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 949;

Whereas Congress in the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1) has authorized the President "to use United States Armed Forces pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) in order to achieve implementation of Security Council Resolutions 660, 661, 662, 664, 665, 666, 667, 669, 670, 674, and 677";

Whereas in December 1991, Congress expressed its sense that it "supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 as being consistent with the Authorization of Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1)," that Iraq's repression of its civilian population violates United Nations Security Council Resolution 688 and "constitutes a continuing threat to the peace, security, and stability of the Persian Gulf region," and that Congress, "supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688";

Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act (Public Law 105-338) expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime;

Whereas on September 12, 2002, President Bush committed the United States to "work with the United Nations Security Council to meet our common challenge" posed by Iraq and to "work for the necessary resolutions," while also making clear that "the Security Council resolutions will be enforced, and the just demands of peace and security will be met, or action will be unavoidable";

Whereas the United States is determined to prosecute the war on terrorism and Iraq's ongoing support for international terrorist groups combined with its development of weapons of mass destruction in direct violation of its obligations under the 1991 cease-fire and other United Nations Security Council resolutions make clear that it is in the national security interests of the United States and in furtherance of the war on terrorism that all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions be enforced, including through the use of force if necessary;

Whereas Congress has taken steps to pursue vigorously the war on terrorism through the provision of authorities and funding requested by the President to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001 or harbored such persons or organizations;

Whereas the President and Congress are determined to continue to take all appropriate actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;

Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to take action in order to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States, as Congress recognized in the joint resolution on Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40); and

Whereas it is in the national security of the United States to restore international peace and security to the Persian Gulf region;

Now, therefore, be it resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SEC. 1. SHORT TITLE.

This joint resolution may be cited as the "Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Iraq".

SEC. 2. SUPPORT FOR UNITED STATES DIPLOMATIC EFFORTS

The Congress of the United States supports the efforts by the President to--

(a) strictly enforce through the United Nations Security Council all relevant Security Council resolutions applicable to Iraq and encourages him in those efforts; and

(b) obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions.

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) AUTHORIZATION. The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to

(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and

(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq.

(b) PRESIDENTIAL DETERMINATION.

In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon there after as may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that

(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq, and

(2) acting pursuant to this resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorists attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

(c) WAR POWERS RESOLUTION REQUIREMENTS. --

(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION. -- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.

(2) APPLICABILITY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS. -- Nothing in this resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.

SEC. 4. REPORTS TO CONGRESS

(a) The President shall, at least once every 60 days, submit to the Congress a report on matters relevant to this joint resolution, including actions taken pursuant to the exercise of authority granted in section 2 and the status of planning for efforts that are expected to be required after such actions are completed, including those actions described in section 7 of Public Law 105-338 (the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998).

(b) To the extent that the submission of any report described in subsection (a) coincides with the submission of any other report on matters relevant to this joint resolution otherwise required to be submitted to Congress pursuant to the reporting requirements of Public Law 93-148 (the War Powers Resolution), all such reports may be submitted as a single consolidated report to the Congress.

(c) To the extent that the information required by section 3 of Public Law 102-1 is included in the report required by this section, such report shall be considered as meeting the requirements of section 3 of Public Law 102-1.
 
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