A smarter way to get 'free' electricity

T. A. Gardner

T. A. Gardner

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Here's a smarter way to get "free" electricity. Instead of stupidly investing in solar panels for your home, buy stock in the local utility company (note does not apply in blue states where these companies are often sued and punished for making power).

Buy sufficient stock so that the rate of increase in value and dividends equals or exceeds your yearly total cost of electricity. That is, you are now having the utility company pay you back in full for the electricity you buy from them in the form of their profits and increase in stock value!

To top that off, unlike solar panels, when you go to sell you home--if you do--there's no downside for potential buyers. They may not like or want your solar panels, but they don't care if you own lots of stock. You can also sell your stock and reinvest the money in your new utility company to continue to pay nothing for electricity. You might even make a profit along the way unlike having bought solar panels that are just a new loss in depreciation from the moment they're installed.

Capitalism rules, Socialism drools...
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Here's a smarter way to get "free" electricity. Instead of stupidly investing in solar panels for your home, buy stock in the local utility company.
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Something everyone can do is build a large Bessler wheel and let if create free energy forever in defiance of thermodynamics.


Otherwise, stock in the local utility company is good too.

Economics bestows, Marxism blows
 
Nordberg said:
Solar panels help you sell your home. Buyers want them. https://www.ecowatch.com/solar/sola...s have shown,with similar solar panel systems.
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No, they won't. Buyers don't want them. This is particularly true if you leased them. NOBODY will buy a house with leased solar panels on the roof unless you steeply discount the price or remove them. Panels installed that you are paying on, forget it. The new owners will not take over your payments. You will be forced to pay them off in full as part of the sale, or before the sale. So, you could be looking at a loss on equity of tens of thousands of dollars paying them off.

Any truthful real estate agent will tell you this, unlike some greentard site.

Leased panels require the buyer to take over the lease or accept that you own the panels on their roof. The later isn't going to happen. Who in their right mind lets somebody else put solar panel on their roof such that the homeowner has no say in them?

Panels that are still being paid for are the same way. Either the buyer agrees to take over your loan, requiring you get the lender involved as a third party in the sale, or you pay them off prior to closing. Again, any sane buyer will balk at having to get some third-party lender involved at what might be shitty terms on a loan for solar panels. Worse, the lender might not agree a loan transfer to the buyer for some reason meaning you are stuck with the house and panels because the buyer backed out.

Then there's the age of the panels themselves. Your valuation might be much higher than a buyer is willing to pay for them. Again, you have to cut your price to sell.

Of course, there's those "I buy shitty houses" guys that will low ball you a bid in cash today because they can work with the solar company to do whatever, including getting the panels removed.

Home solar is a disaster when you go to sell.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Here's a smarter way to get "free" electricity. Instead of stupidly investing in solar panels for your home, buy stock in the local utility company (note does not apply in blue states where these companies are often sued and punished for making power).

Buy sufficient stock so that the rate of increase in value and dividends equals or exceeds your yearly total cost of electricity. That is, you are now having the utility company pay you back in full for the electricity you buy from them in the form of their profits and increase in stock value!

To top that off, unlike solar panels, when you go to sell you home--if you do--there's no downside for potential buyers. They may not like or want your solar panels, but they don't care if you own lots of stock. You can also sell your stock and reinvest the money in your new utility company to continue to pay nothing for electricity. You might even make a profit along the way unlike having bought solar panels that are just a new loss in depreciation from the moment they're installed.

Capitalism rules, Socialism drools...
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You make a good point about investments, however, 72% of the electrical providers in America are owned by holding companies and other types of investment organizations that are member owned, non-profit, and have no public stock offerings.

Most are owned by cities and towns, but some are owned by counties, public utility districts, or even states. Rural electric cooperatives are similar in nature. They are also not-for-profit, but are member-owned rather than community-owned.

Now, most of the Solar and Wind Farms across America are owned by billionaires, are incorporated, and have public stock offerings. SO INVEST HEAVILY IN AMERICA'S FUTURE! And thanks in advance.

But, hey, if you do know of a Hot Stock tip on a publicly-held electric provider- PLEASE DO SHARE!
 
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Geeko Sportivo said:
You make a good point about investments, however, 72% of the electrical providers in America are owned by holding companies and other types of investment organizations that are member owned, non-profit, and have no public stock offerings.

Most are owned by cities and towns, but some are owned by counties, public utility districts, or even states. Rural electric cooperatives are similar in nature. They are also not-for-profit, but are member-owned rather than community-owned.

Now, most of the Solar and Wind Farms are owned by billionaires and most have Publicly held stock offerings. SO INVEST HEAVILY IN AMERICA'S FUTURE! And thanks in advance.

But, hey, if you do know of a Hot Stock tip on a publicly-held electric provider- PLEASE DO SHARE!
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APS is the local one you can do it with in Arizona.

Don't buy into wind or solar however as these companies frequently go bankrupt and you lose your investment.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
APS is the local one you can do it with in Arizona.

Don't buy into wind or solar however as these companies frequently go bankrupt and you lose your investment.
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I do not know about the history of wind farms going tits up, but the problem with investing in them, are there are not enough of them that are even available on the Stock exchange, in spite of the upbeat interest by investors to invest in them.

But, I do not argue with the Motley Fool, as I think he is a great analyst and consultant. In fact, no one has rung the NYSE Bell any more than him.

Here are some of his recommendations...

https://www.fool.com/investing/stock-market/market-sectors/energy/wind-energy-stocks/
https://www.fool.com/investing/2024/03/05/the-single-best-solar-energy-stock-today/
 
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Geeko Sportivo said:
I do not know about the history of wind farms going tits up, but the problem with investing in them, are there are not enough of them that are even available on the Stock exchange, in spite of the upbeat interest by investors to invest in them.

But, I do not argue with the Motley Fool, as I think he is a great analyst and consultant.

Here are some of his recommendations...

https://www.fool.com/investing/stock-market/market-sectors/energy/wind-energy-stocks/
https://www.fool.com/investing/2024/03/05/the-single-best-solar-energy-stock-today/
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Whereas I've always seen the motely fool as just a fool. They seem to always have some stock that is the 'next big thing' you should put all your money in. That's really bad advice.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Whereas I've always seen the motely fool as just a fool. They seem to always have some stock that is the 'next big thing' you should put all your money in. That's really bad advice.
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T. A. when are you going to put your politics aside?

We are talking about your money Lad!

And if you live in Scottsdale, you probably already have more money than you know what to do with.

Invest it wisely- Invest in America's future!!
 
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Geeko Sportivo said:
You make a good point about investments, however, 72% of the electrical providers in America are owned by holding companies and other types of investment organizations that are member owned, non-profit, and have no public stock offerings.
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Making up numbers and using them as 'data' is a fallacy, Sock. Argument from randU fallacy.
Geeko Sportivo said:
Most are owned by cities and towns, but some are owned by counties, public utility districts, or even states. Rural electric cooperatives are similar in nature. They are also not-for-profit, but are member-owned rather than community-owned.
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Argument from randU fallacy.
Geeko Sportivo said:
Now, most of the Solar and Wind Farms across America are owned by billionaires, are incorporated, and have public stock offerings. SO INVEST HEAVILY IN AMERICA'S FUTURE! And thanks in advance.
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Argument from randU fallacy. Apparently you forgot about Enron and similar companies.
Geeko Sportivo said:
But, hey, if you do know of a Hot Stock tip on a publicly-held electric provider- PLEASE DO SHARE!
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Do your own footwork, Sock. Besides, you hate corporations.
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
I do not know about the history of wind farms going tits up, but the problem with investing in them, are there are not enough of them that are even available on the Stock exchange, in spite of the upbeat interest by investors to invest in them.

But, I do not argue with the Motley Fool, as I think he is a great analyst and consultant. In fact, no one has rung the NYSE Bell any more than him.

Here are some of his recommendations...

https://www.fool.com/investing/stock-market/market-sectors/energy/wind-energy-stocks/
https://www.fool.com/investing/2024/03/05/the-single-best-solar-energy-stock-today/
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You are lying again, Sock.
 
Into the Night said:
Making up numbers and using them as 'data' is a fallacy, Sock. Argument from randU fallacy.

Argument from randU fallacy.

Argument from randU fallacy. Apparently you forgot about Enron and similar companies.

Do your own footwork, Sock. Besides, you hate corporations.
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You get creepier by the minute. Have you been mentally evaluated lately?
 
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