But that's not RS law. That is direct liability to ACORN by virtue of its own negligence, not vicarious liability for the wrongful acts of its employees, a point I conceded 30 posts ago.
ACORN under scrutiny for voter fraud in Kansas City
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But that's not RS law. That is direct liability to ACORN by virtue of its own negligence, not vicarious liability for the wrongful acts of its employees, a point I conceded 30 posts ago.
It isn't a coincidence. It's the probable result of the ACORN compensation scheme for its canvassers.
I just don't think voter registration fraud is all that much of a problem. Rather, it is a means for Republicans to make a lot of noise and to take measures to prevent groups that traditionally vote democratic from voting. In the end, it is much more harmful to ACORN's cause than good.
Socrtease
Verified User
Yes but lots of people commit lots of illegal acts that end up being harmful to them but don't THINK about it before hand.
evince
Truthmatters
Its just obsurd to think that ACORN would do this on purpose only to gain NOTHING and LOSE MONEY and see their REPUTION harmed.
It make no logical sense and smart people like Soc are trying to imply they should have been procecuted in a way that NO US legal entity has agreed and chargesd them as such.
I just dont understand why people refuse to see the facts as they truely stand here?
It make no logical sense and smart people like Soc are trying to imply they should have been procecuted in a way that NO US legal entity has agreed and chargesd them as such.
I just dont understand why people refuse to see the facts as they truely stand here?
FUCK THE POLICE
911 EVERY DAY
Soc, is there any way to verify what they turned in was valid BESIDES handing it in to the state?
Socrtease
Verified User
Some of the addresses don't exist.
One more thing on this. In many states it is illegal for people like ACORN to not submit voter registrations that they receive through their canvassing efforts.
For example, in Missouri the law requires:
That means that if ACORN receives a registration form for The Easter Bunny it is required by law to submit the registration to the election authorities and cannot refuse to submit the registration.
For example, in Missouri the law requires:
That means that if ACORN receives a registration form for The Easter Bunny it is required by law to submit the registration to the election authorities and cannot refuse to submit the registration.
evince
Truthmatters
All your questions about their practices are answered here guys.
They have never been found of any wrong doing.
Its political hackery that creates this false image.
Its designed to keep these legal voters off the rolls.
Bertha Lewis and Steve Kest: The Truth About ACORN's Voter Registration Drive
Election Day is less than a month away, and our efforts to make sure that low-income and minority voters have a voice and vote on November 4 are in full swing. Unfortunately, just as we've seen in previous election cycles, the more success we have in empowering these voters, the more attacks we have to fend off from partisan forces making unfounded accusations to disparage our work and help maintain the status quo of an unbalanced electorate. We want to take this opportunity to separate the facts of our successes from the falsehoods of our attackers.
On Monday, October 6, as voter registration deadlines passed in most states, ACORN completed the largest, most successful nonpartisan voter registration drive in history. In partnership with the nonpartisan organization Project Vote, we helped register over 1.3 million low-income, minority, and young voters in a total of 21 states. Highlights of this success include:
-- We collected over 151,000 registrations in Florida, 153,000 in Pennsylvania, 215,000 in Michigan, and nearly 250,000 in Ohio.
-- An estimated 60-70 percent of our applicants are people of color.
-- At least HALF of all are registrations are from young people between 18-29.
We are proud of this unprecedented success, and grateful to everyone who supported us in this massive effort, from our funders and partners to the literally thousands of hardworking individuals across the country who dedicated themselves to the cause and conducted the difficult work of registering 1.3 million Americans, one voter at a time.
And this work is far from over: now begins our effort mobilize these new voters around local and national issues, getting them to the polls and helping to channel their commitment and conviction into an ongoing movement for change in our communities.
As The Nation pointed out recently, ACORN's success in registering millions of low-income and minority voters has made it "something of a right-wing bogeyman." Though ACORN believes that the right to vote is not, and should never be, a partisan issue, attacks from groups threatened by our historic success continue to come, motivated by partisan politics and often perpetuated by the media without full investigation of the facts. As a result, there have been a few recent stories about investigations of former ACORN workers for turning in incomplete, erroneous, or fraudulent voter registration applications. Predictably, partisan forces have tried to use these isolated incidents to incite fear of the "bogeyman" of "widespread voter fraud." But we want to take this opportunity to set the record straight and tell you a few facts to show how these incidents really exemplify everything that ACORN is doing right:
Fact: ACORN has implemented the most sophisticated quality-control system in the voter engagement field, but in almost every state we are required to turn in ALL completed applications, even the ones we know to be problematic.
Fact: ACORN flags incomplete, problem, or suspicious cards when we turn them in, but these warnings are often ignored by election officials. Often these same officials then come back weeks or months later and accuse us of deliberately turning in phony cards.
Fact: Our canvassers are paid by the hour, not by the card, so there is NO incentive for them to falsify cards. ACORN has a zero-tolerance policy for deliberately falsifying registrations, and in the relatively rare cases where our internal quality controls have identified this happening we have fired the workers involved and turned them in to election officials and law-enforcement.
Fact: No charges have ever been brought against ACORN itself. Convictions against individual former ACORN workers have been accomplished with our full cooperation, using the evidence obtained through our quality control and verification processes.
Fact: Voter fraud by individuals is extremely rare, and incredibly difficult. There has never been a single proven case of anyone, anywhere, casting an illegal vote as a result of a phony voter registration. Even if someone wanted to influence the election this way, it would not work.
Fact: Most election officials have recognized ACORN's good work and praised our quality control systems. Even in the cities where election officials have complained about ACORN, the applications in question represent less than 1% of the thousands and thousands of registrations ACORN has collected.
Fact: Our accusers not only fail to provide any evidence, they fail to suggest a motive: there is virtually no chance anyone would be able to vote fraudulently, so there is no reason to deliberately submit phony registrations. ACORN is committed to ensuring that the greatest possible numbers of people are registered and allowed to vote, so there is also NO incentive to "disrupt the system" with phony cards.
Fact: Similar accusations were made, and attacks launched, against ACORN and other voter registration organizations in 2004 and 2006. These attacks were not only groundless, they have since been exposed as part of the U.S. Attorney-gate scandal and revealed to be part of a systematic partisan agenda of voter suppression.
These are the facts, and the truth is that a relatively small group of political operatives are trying to orchestrate hysteria about "voter fraud" and manufacture public outrage that they can use to further suppress the votes of millions of low-income and minority Americans.
These tactics are nothing new, and history has shown that they will come to nothing. We'll continue to weather the storm, as we've done for years, and we'll continue to share the truth about our work and express pride about our accomplishments. Most importantly, we want to assure you that this good work continues, unabated and undeterred. ACORN will not be intimidated, we will not be provoked, and in this important moment in history we will not allow anyone to distract us from these vital efforts to empower our constituencies and our communities to speak for themselves. If the partisan political machines are afraid of low-income and minority voters, they're going to have to do a lot better than coming after ACORN.
After all, there are now at least 1.3 million more of them, and they will not be silenced. They're taking an interest, and taking a stand, and they'll be taking their concerns to the voting booth in November.
And ACORN will be here, to make sure that the voices of these Americans are heard, on Election Day and for every day to come.
They have never been found of any wrong doing.
Its political hackery that creates this false image.
Its designed to keep these legal voters off the rolls.
Bertha Lewis and Steve Kest: The Truth About ACORN's Voter Registration Drive
Election Day is less than a month away, and our efforts to make sure that low-income and minority voters have a voice and vote on November 4 are in full swing. Unfortunately, just as we've seen in previous election cycles, the more success we have in empowering these voters, the more attacks we have to fend off from partisan forces making unfounded accusations to disparage our work and help maintain the status quo of an unbalanced electorate. We want to take this opportunity to separate the facts of our successes from the falsehoods of our attackers.
On Monday, October 6, as voter registration deadlines passed in most states, ACORN completed the largest, most successful nonpartisan voter registration drive in history. In partnership with the nonpartisan organization Project Vote, we helped register over 1.3 million low-income, minority, and young voters in a total of 21 states. Highlights of this success include:
-- We collected over 151,000 registrations in Florida, 153,000 in Pennsylvania, 215,000 in Michigan, and nearly 250,000 in Ohio.
-- An estimated 60-70 percent of our applicants are people of color.
-- At least HALF of all are registrations are from young people between 18-29.
We are proud of this unprecedented success, and grateful to everyone who supported us in this massive effort, from our funders and partners to the literally thousands of hardworking individuals across the country who dedicated themselves to the cause and conducted the difficult work of registering 1.3 million Americans, one voter at a time.
And this work is far from over: now begins our effort mobilize these new voters around local and national issues, getting them to the polls and helping to channel their commitment and conviction into an ongoing movement for change in our communities.
As The Nation pointed out recently, ACORN's success in registering millions of low-income and minority voters has made it "something of a right-wing bogeyman." Though ACORN believes that the right to vote is not, and should never be, a partisan issue, attacks from groups threatened by our historic success continue to come, motivated by partisan politics and often perpetuated by the media without full investigation of the facts. As a result, there have been a few recent stories about investigations of former ACORN workers for turning in incomplete, erroneous, or fraudulent voter registration applications. Predictably, partisan forces have tried to use these isolated incidents to incite fear of the "bogeyman" of "widespread voter fraud." But we want to take this opportunity to set the record straight and tell you a few facts to show how these incidents really exemplify everything that ACORN is doing right:
Fact: ACORN has implemented the most sophisticated quality-control system in the voter engagement field, but in almost every state we are required to turn in ALL completed applications, even the ones we know to be problematic.
Fact: ACORN flags incomplete, problem, or suspicious cards when we turn them in, but these warnings are often ignored by election officials. Often these same officials then come back weeks or months later and accuse us of deliberately turning in phony cards.
Fact: Our canvassers are paid by the hour, not by the card, so there is NO incentive for them to falsify cards. ACORN has a zero-tolerance policy for deliberately falsifying registrations, and in the relatively rare cases where our internal quality controls have identified this happening we have fired the workers involved and turned them in to election officials and law-enforcement.
Fact: No charges have ever been brought against ACORN itself. Convictions against individual former ACORN workers have been accomplished with our full cooperation, using the evidence obtained through our quality control and verification processes.
Fact: Voter fraud by individuals is extremely rare, and incredibly difficult. There has never been a single proven case of anyone, anywhere, casting an illegal vote as a result of a phony voter registration. Even if someone wanted to influence the election this way, it would not work.
Fact: Most election officials have recognized ACORN's good work and praised our quality control systems. Even in the cities where election officials have complained about ACORN, the applications in question represent less than 1% of the thousands and thousands of registrations ACORN has collected.
Fact: Our accusers not only fail to provide any evidence, they fail to suggest a motive: there is virtually no chance anyone would be able to vote fraudulently, so there is no reason to deliberately submit phony registrations. ACORN is committed to ensuring that the greatest possible numbers of people are registered and allowed to vote, so there is also NO incentive to "disrupt the system" with phony cards.
Fact: Similar accusations were made, and attacks launched, against ACORN and other voter registration organizations in 2004 and 2006. These attacks were not only groundless, they have since been exposed as part of the U.S. Attorney-gate scandal and revealed to be part of a systematic partisan agenda of voter suppression.
These are the facts, and the truth is that a relatively small group of political operatives are trying to orchestrate hysteria about "voter fraud" and manufacture public outrage that they can use to further suppress the votes of millions of low-income and minority Americans.
These tactics are nothing new, and history has shown that they will come to nothing. We'll continue to weather the storm, as we've done for years, and we'll continue to share the truth about our work and express pride about our accomplishments. Most importantly, we want to assure you that this good work continues, unabated and undeterred. ACORN will not be intimidated, we will not be provoked, and in this important moment in history we will not allow anyone to distract us from these vital efforts to empower our constituencies and our communities to speak for themselves. If the partisan political machines are afraid of low-income and minority voters, they're going to have to do a lot better than coming after ACORN.
After all, there are now at least 1.3 million more of them, and they will not be silenced. They're taking an interest, and taking a stand, and they'll be taking their concerns to the voting booth in November.
And ACORN will be here, to make sure that the voices of these Americans are heard, on Election Day and for every day to come.
cawacko
Well-known member
Just for you Desh.
1 VOTER, 72 REGISTRATIONS
'ACORN PAID ME IN CASH & CIGS'
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10102008/news/politics/1_voter__72_registrations_132965.htm
1 VOTER, 72 REGISTRATIONS
'ACORN PAID ME IN CASH & CIGS'
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10102008/news/politics/1_voter__72_registrations_132965.htm
Interesting, but what is your point? Assuming this is true, the same guy registered 72 times with the same information. Who gives a shit? That doesn't mean he gets to vote 72 times. He still gets 1 vote.
Also, you may want to retrace your steps last night. Dropping n-bombs in anger for no particular reason is a pretty fucked up thing to do regardless of whether you were shit-faced or not.
cawacko
Well-known member
I already changed it this morning. A couple of my boys are visiting from Oakland and staying with me. They were with me when I wrote it and thought it was hilarious. However I realize how it can be viewed so that's why I took it out this morning.
cawacko
Well-known member
what thread?
uscitizen
Villified User
Peer pressure. How juvenile.
Oh how embarrassing. Cawacko, I know that you believe you are black, most especially when you are drunk, but no matter how much you drink, you’re white, and you can’t be dropping the n word. I got you into bed last Friday morning, I can’t be here every Friday morning that early! Especially these days, I am too busy. You need one of those dog collars, and an electrified fence, for those Friday mornings when no one is here to tell you “go to bed you drunk fool!”
Don’t even get me started on this Acorn bullshit. I have no mental energy left for this today. Some of us work for a living, not drink for a living. This makes two threads I have to bookmark and come back to now.
Don’t even get me started on this Acorn bullshit. I have no mental energy left for this today. Some of us work for a living, not drink for a living. This makes two threads I have to bookmark and come back to now.
cawacko
Well-known member
I have two black friends staying with me and they thought it was funny which is why I put it in there (I was showing them the site). I took it out this morning because its obviously not appropriate.
Can you clean up this one now:
Just Plain Politics! - View Single Post - Palin Cleared in Troopergate . . . By McCain Campaign
Just Plain Politics! - View Single Post - Palin Cleared in Troopergate . . . By McCain Campaign
