And it has to be pointed out that Trump got his supporters from under rocks where society put them to keep them away from our children, these monsters now are making the decisions in this country. That and Hitler type Christians , as in the same people here as in Nazi Germany when many Christians supported Hitler. These are fake Christians, more driven by hate then any God that I know about. That and a monstrous amount of stupidity. What has to be remembered is that all these haters have to be held to fire for their actions for ever , Put them back underneath the rocks where Trump took them from and throw these fake Christians in with them. They should be watched for ever and never let out of the box that contains them. They should never have another chance to do this. Couldn't be more simple there is nothing christian about the 2023 right wing.
Are right wing Christians driven by anything other then hate.
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The most obnoxious people on this forum are self identified Christians.
IBDaMann
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There you go again, directly contradicting the author of fascism. The definition of fascism, per its creator Giovanni Gentile: THE DOCTRINE OF FASCISM by Benito Mussolini & Giovanni Gentile, Written in 1927, Published in 1932 in Enciclopedia Italiana
With the writing of The Doctrine of Fascism, and its subsequent translation into every major language, fascism spread internationally ... and what spread internationally was the definition of fascism contained therein, not your defintion.
Hence the creation of anti-trust laws. But that is a mere area of law. Fascism is not international business. Fascism is iron-fisted government that does not share power, not even with corporations. Fascist governments, as well as all socialist governments, subjugate all entities, including corporations, to the state ... which ends up being the government. You are confusing the fascist government's total lack of concern for the people with a monopolistic corporation's lack of concern for its customer base.
In moderation, yes. There is definitely a "too little" and a "too much" for all of the above.
That depends. The label "libertarian" has so many meanings. For example, I am very libertarian, but there are many others who call themselves libertarian with whom I disagree virtually across the board. Also, there are many "libertarians" who are indistinguishable from Marxist anarchists, but who will never acknowledge it. Terry claims to be "libertarian." Is that the definition of "libertarian" that means "stupid"? You tell me.
There is no problem with economics that adheres to the supply-demand curve. There is nothing wrong with discussing what happens to demand when the supply changes. There is nothing wrong with taking advantage of solid economic models in the making of economic policy.
The problem arises when bogus economics (often some pursuit of Marxism) is implemented under the pretense of some economic model. The red flag arises when new terminology needs to be invented to shroud the policy in the mystery of gibber-babble. When the new terminology suddenly appears in Wikipedia, you know you need to be on your guard with your scamma-spec on "scan".
IBDaMann
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I'm sorry, you have been grossly misinformed.
Barcelona and Real Madrid are arch-rivals ... who play in the exact same league.
Socialists and Communists are bitter enemies ... whose ideologies come right out of the same Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital. Socialists want the revolution that ends with a strong government (that it calls "the State" but is really the government) that holds all power, all credit, controls all communication (propaganda), controls the education of the young, and centrally plans everything. Communists, on the other hand, want the revolution that ends with no government at all, only a State comprised of the people who determine everything democratically (i.e. mob rule, but they will never characterize it in that way).
Communists oppose socialists to the death because socialists will never relinquish power and will never disband the government of the revolution. Communists know that socialists will never allow communism to come to fruition. Ergo, communists oppose socialists to their dying day, and socialists make it a priority to exterminate the communist opposition that never sleeps.
Both Communists and Socialists are Marxist, i.e. extreme leftist. When you say that they are practically the same thing, you are correct in that regard. Neither Communists nor Socialists, however, believe they have anything in common with the other ... except in the US whereby all socialist and communist organizations are wholly owned and controlled by the DNC (Democrat Party).
Fascism is a flavor of socialism, one that markets itself using nationalism rather than the "plight of the proletariat". Hitler and Mussolini were socialists who chose fascism, i.e. appeal to the people's sense of nationalism because, at the time, the plight of the proletariat seemed rather irrelevant. That struggle was prominent in Marx's day, but in Hitler's day, the people of Deutschland needed a sense of national pride, for a return of the glory of Deutschland, for a new reich, ... so he chose to market socialism through nationalism, i.e. fascism. It's still socialism. Hitler still hunted down the Communists first.
Blackwater Lunchbreak
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"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." Benito Mussolini (1883 - 1945) was a founding figure in the rise...
libs try to pretend fascism can't be internationalist, republican fascists like you pretend fascism is non-existant.
supply side rhetoric is actually fascist.
libertarian bullshit is defacto fascism most of the time.
libertarian scrote = desantis scrote.
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Blackwater Lunchbreak
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free movement of goods, services, and people = internationalist fascism= libertarian scrote talk.
Blackwater Lunchbreak
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open borders drives down wages = an economic argument that is true. people who are fine with this are just high on corporate dick.
are klaus schwab and the wef good people doing good things; do you support their efforts?
are klaus schwab and the wef good people doing good things; do you support their efforts?
IBDaMann
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First, Mussolini didn't author fascism. Giovanni Gentile is the creator of fascism.
Second, Mussolini never made that quote. It was a hoax ... that apparently fooled you. Mussolini leveraged fascism as defined by Gentile in THE DOCTRINE OF FASCISM by Benito Mussolini & Giovanni Gentile, Written in 1927, Published in 1932 in Enciclopedia Italiana
Actually, they are happy to subjugate the US to Brussels.
First, I'm not Republican.
Second, I'm not fascist.
Third, I fully acknowledge the existence of fascism wherever it rears its ugly head, and that facism is nothing like how you define it. You think an umbrella contract for a government office to purchase printer toner at Staples is fascism that nationalizes Staples. You think fascism is a discussion about the supply-demand curve. Please round it out for everyone; clarify for everyone how a government office leasing commercial space leads to Jews in ovens.
... that is to say that libertarian rhetoric centers around the supply-demand curve most of the time. I totally get it.
Blackwater Lunchbreak
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you're still a globalist interationalist fascist though.
mussolini has even worse quotes about the centrality of corporations in his version of fascism.
fascism is simply the union of state and corporate power, you can't erase that meaning with word games and deception
and what is your opinion of klaus schwab and the w.e.f?
are they good people doing good things?
you're a punk ass bitch who sucks at arguing.
the supply demand curve is not a philosophy of governance, and its ill suited as such, for you libertarian dumbwads.
Blackwater Lunchbreak
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like libertarians asserting that the free movement of goods, services, and people is an unconditional good is kind of fucked up.
it depends on your point of view. it's good for multinationals, but bad if you're labor being displaced.
the government taking the view of the multinational corps is why its internationalist fascism.
and fuck you all.
it depends on your point of view. it's good for multinationals, but bad if you're labor being displaced.
the government taking the view of the multinational corps is why its internationalist fascism.
and fuck you all.
IBDaMann
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You forgot to add "nanny-nanny-boo-boo."
Now you are mindlessly chanting. You are in error. I think we're done on this point.
I can't erase that which never was.
Klaus Schwab is a fascist socialist. He wants global rule by an oligarchy of the world's governments. He shrouds his vision in imagery of benevolent governments always keeping the needs of humanity as its central focus, not as tyrants only seeking to maintain and/or increase their power over the people as they languish, as illustrated in Venezuela. He is also a scheister and a Mussolini-wannabe, like Fauci. I think someone is pulling his strings. Anyway, I am diametrically opposed to my buddy Klaus.
I'll take that as a compliment.
Yes, sound economic principles and free market policies should always be the basis for all aspects of government, which includes enforcing individual liberties and defending the rights of the minority.
Blackwater Lunchbreak
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yes, we know you're a fascist.
mussolinis feeling on the centrality of coroporations (no they're not "totally different" corporations) is well documented.
"Fascism should should be called corporatism, because it's the union of state and corporate power." --Benito Mussolini.
globalist doctrines only benefit multinational corporation. They destroy countries and working people..
globalism is internationalist fascism.
You're a Dufus Mcgillicutty.
IBDaMann
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Mussolini's thoughts are published. You are greatly in error.
This was a hoax, and it fooled you. Mussolini never said this, wrote this, or expressed this in any way. His only thoughts on corporations was to subjugate them to the will of the government.
Nope. Globalist doctrine campaigns for a global oligarchy that will destroy countries and working people.
... and corporations never enter the picture. You're sounding a lot like a Marxist Anarchist.
What are your thoughts on fiat currency?
What are your thoughts on having a strong military?
What are your thoughts on having a strong arm of the law?
Blackwater Lunchbreak
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they do enter the picture, why do you lie?
The Corporate State and its Organization (p. 133)
The corporate State considers that private enterprise in the sphere of production is the most effective and usefu [sic] [typo-should be: useful] instrument in the interest of the nation. In view of the fact that private organisation of production is a function of national concern, the organiser of the enterprise is responsible to the State for the direction given to production.
Are klaus schwab and the WEF good people doing good things?
the corporate profits are privatized and the costs are externalized through state corruption, thought it's technically legal. neocons like you want legalized cronyism.
IBDaMann
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Corporations never enter any "partnership" picture under the room of fascism.
Corporations are totally subjugated under fascism, not forthwith partnered. When I eat food, it is not a partnership; I am consuming it. I might just chew it up and spit it out. The food does not have the same options with me.
Blackwater Lunchbreak
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getting government monopolies and getting to keep the profits is not TOTAL subjugation.
IBDaMann
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It's also not fascism.
Blackwater Lunchbreak
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it kind of is.
fascism is the union of government and corporate power.
it's defense contractors setting war policy, war pig.
IBDaMann
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Nope. You switched to business best practices, except that you included "monopolies" which is illegal under anti-trust laws.
... and you are back to chanting. Fascism is not the union of government with corporations. Fascism is socialism that appeals to nationalism, that subjugates all corporations (nationalization) and possibly destroys them. Don't be afraid to come to me with the hard stuff.
I have a joke for you.
QUESTION: What is the difference between Socialism and Communism?
ANSWER: Socialism is a group of people who seek to steal wealth and power from another group of people, while Communism is the other way around.
No contractor does that. The Joint Staff does that.