As we attempt to re-Industrialize America, What Manufacturing do we WANT and are Able to do?

ThatOwlWoman said:
It has, yet we are just as productive as a nation as ever. I remember reading back in the 1960s that robotics was going to cost thousands of Americans their jobs. And it did.

So what do we do about those unskilled laborers who can't be trained to set up and monitor the automation in a factory?
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Well after over almost 60 years of automation they have got it down where it runs pretty good.
and some of the line jobs can and are done by people with lesser ability to be trained for a skilled trade job.
I was in production for years then finally got an apprenticeship and became an industrial electrician.
I am a big backer of people getting a skill . tradesmen are in big demand right now and the jobs pay really good.
Even an apprentice earns really good money.
And in the auto industry they get over $30 / 35 an hour , and Journeymen are up well over 40 an hour.
Working with any wheres form 120 Volts up to over 2000 volts , mostly 440 three phase can be very dangerous so they get paid very well.
And in my case not only did I get paid , the company also paid for all my schooling . and required trips to Detroit .
 
Neoclitorus said:
how much resources are in federal lands alone.

all the untouched country.

we're rich beyond imagination.

we will easily win any trade war.

the whole world is trying to stop Americans from realizing this simple fact.

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Are you talking about the land Trump wants to sell to his Billionaire buddy's?
 
Tbird19482 said:
Well after over almost 60 years of automation they have got it down where it runs pretty good.
and some of the line jobs can and are done by people with lesser ability to be trained for a skilled trade job.
I was in production for years then finally got an apprenticeship and became an industrial electrician.
I am a big backer of people getting a skill . tradesmen are in big demand right now and the jobs pay really good.
Even an apprentice earns really good money.
And in the auto industry they get over $30 / 35 an hour , and Journeymen are up well over 40 an hour.
Working with any wheres form 120 Volts up to over 2000 volts , mostly 440 three phase can be very dangerous so they get paid very well.
And in my case not only did I get paid , the company also paid for all my schooling . and required trips to Detroit .
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It's the Tech Lords who will benefit by selling both the hardware and the software to automate US manufacturing. Most Americans will end up poorer as the rich become richer.

The MAGAts, of course, don't understand this and believe a fantasy that the rich and powerful care about them.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
It's the Tech Lords who will benefit by selling both the hardware and the software to automate US manufacturing. Most Americans will end up poorer as the rich become richer.

The MAGAts, of course, don't understand this and believe a fantasy that the rich and powerful care about them.
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Like I said they have already been doing this for over 60 years,
Automation has been here to stay for years.
 
Tbird19482 said:
Like I said they have already been doing this for over 60 years,
Automation has been here to stay for years.
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Agreed. With AI, even most management and tech jobs will be eliminated. Machines will maintain and repair machines.
 
What do you mean are "able" to do? We were informed that all those illegal immigrants that the Braindead Administration let in would do all the "work Americans won't do"... You know those guys in the middle of massive cities who are "picking our strawberries" according to leftists. Because apparently that's where all the strawberry picking goes on, right next to the traffickers and drug dealers they pick them right out of thin air while they are selling fentanyl laced drugs to addicts.

Anyway, I am digressing. We were promised all these folks would do all those jobs nobody wants to do, are you saying you were lying?
 
Tbird19482 said:
I don't think it will go that far, There are still things they need people to do.
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Follow the money. As you noted, this transition has been happening for over 60 years. Why should those in control stop now? Machines don't call in sick and they don't go on strike.

Consider the Democratic Party move to raise the national wage to $15. Will that allow McDonald's workers a "living wage" or will it simply encourage McDonalds to automate most of their operation? A cost/benefit analysis is always in play with corporations.
 
We also have to stop the DEI at the colleges taking 24% of our genius designers and innovators, and tossing them into the trash based solely on their skin-tone, gender, and sexual orientation.


We also have to stop allowing things like the Covid made-up Plandemic from interrupting our nation every time it gets on the edge of making a transition back to being a power-house of wealth production. Every time we get close to solutions without the Lefties in power, they sabotage the effort, and disrupt progress until they can manipulate the political pendulum back onto their side.


We also need to get rid the division and disruption of the invasion of illegals who demand handouts, and offer little in productive complex labor, and much less in willing assimilation. Above, the Leftie claims that illegals are Better at manufacturing jobs... Bull! they can't read our language, understand complex IT processes, such as the delay in server updates, and the need to pause for a moment if the system is getting out of sync. American born workers have been dealing with those types of IT-Tech, Robotic interface issues since they were toddlers. The Leftie sponsored invaders are good at using a shovel, not so good at sequencing a robotic tractor.


There is a huge amount of IT / Robotic interface understanding that is inherent in American Working Class upbringing, that makes them Ideal for being modern, robotic assisted, factory production workers. I've been doing it for almost two decades now, and the problem people, are almost always the foreign born workers having poor work habits, lack of tech understanding, can't read the instructions or errors on the robot screen, and tribal attitudes of blatant discrimination and exclusion.


A house divided will not long endure. A factory work force, divided, will not produce product and wealth.


DEI combined with massive illegal immigration is a disaster on so many levels, it boggles the mind. A factory, or a nation, infested with Leftie Agent Provocateurs is doomed to fail.


Get rid of the Lefties and their invasion force goons, and all will come together into smooth production of product and wealth.

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Dutch Uncle said:
Follow the money. As you noted, this transition has been happening for over 60 years. Why should those in control stop now? Machines don't call in sick and they don't go on strike.

Consider the Democratic Party move to raise the national wage to $15. Will that allow McDonald's workers a "living wage" or will it simply encourage McDonalds to automate most of their operation? A cost/benefit analysis is always in play with corporations.
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It has always been what is good for their bottom line.
Like right now the US oil industry is cutting back because the Saudis are increasing production and dropping the price of oil.
The CEOs have even come out and said they will not " drill baby drill" unless it makes seance for them to do so, if we CAN'T make money we are not going to do it.
And the price of gas has gone up several cents over the last few weeks according to AAA and when this all works out and prices start coming down you can bet Trump will try to take all the credit.
 
Kurmugeon said:
We also have to stop the DEI at the colleges taking 24% of our genius designers and innovators, and tossing them into the trash based solely on their skin-tone, gender, and sexual orientation.
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Link that this is being done or is this just something that fell out of your ass?

“The demagogic propagandist must therefore be consistently dogmatic. All his statements are made without qualification. There are no grays in his picture of the world; everything is either diabolically black or celestially white. In Hitler’s words, the propagandist should adopt “a systematically one-sided attitude towards every problem that has to be dealt with.” He must never admit that he might be wrong or that people with a different point of view might be even partially right. Opponents should not be argued with; they should be attacked, shouted down, or, if they become too much of a nuisance, liquidated. The morally squeamish intellectual may be shocked by this kind of thing. But the masses are always convinced that “right is on the side of the active aggressor.”
― Aldous Huxley, Brave New World Revisited
 
Kurmugeon said:
A very serious, and important question.


So the point of the Trump2 Tariffs is to re-balance the international trade playing field, and begin to re-industrialize America, by getting factories going to produce products which we have the raw material, skills, and facilities to make in enough abundance and quality, to make not just what we need for our own use, but also to sell internationally.


We seem to be lacking in Rare-Earth-Metals, which are used in the production of everything from strong permanent magnets, to microchips, to laser diodes. So we seek to buy those materials from foreign sources, such as Ukraine, Iran, Indonesia and the Congo...


Well, what Industries or raw mat do we have, that other nations need, that we can build factories and develop a trained, skilled work force to produce specifically for the purpose international trade?


A few examples: EV cars and trucks, high tech non-lithium batteries, solar cells, animal feed-stocks, Laser Diodes, semi-conductor chips, high tech carbon fiber embedded plastics, food safe stainless steel for cookware, Medications, Paper, Steel, Aluminum, refrigeration compressors, farm produced low pollution, non-toxic fish...


What does America have the inherent raw materials, expertise, space, facilities, and expected foreign markets, to build-up as American Produced products for the world-stage.


What are we good at, have the raw materials, for, and is an under-served market, that we should be pursuing as our contribution to the Global Trade exchange?


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We have rare earth minerals here we just are mining a lot of them. In West Texas at Round Top there are 15 of the 17 rare earth minerals deposits.

USA Rare Earth

USA Rare Earth, Inc. (Nasdaq: USAR) is building a domestic rare earth magnet supply chain. USARE's magnets and rare earth minerals are required for a wide variety of products used in the defense, automotive, aviation, industrial, medical, and consumer electronics industries.
www.usare.com www.usare.com
 
Tbird19482 said:
It has always been what is good for their bottom line.
Like right now the US oil industry is cutting back because the Saudis are increasing production and dropping the price of oil.
The CEOs have even come out and said they will not " drill baby drill" unless it makes seance for them to do so, if we CAN'T make money we are not going to do it.
And the price of gas has gone up several cents over the last few weeks according to AAA and when this all works out and prices start coming down you can bet Trump will try to take all the credit.
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Exactly my point. Corporations have a fiduciary duty to maximize profits. They are soulless entities with a monetary goal. They are not charities.

The whole "drill baby drill" meme is bullshit since, unless the US oil companies are nationalized (which won't happen under a Republic), they are free to sell to the highest bidder be it inside or outside the country.

The price of gas has increased from $2.59 to $3.09 in the past 10 days here.
 
FastLane said:
We have rare earth minerals here we just are mining a lot of them. In West Texas at Round Top there are 15 of the 17 rare earth minerals deposits.

USA Rare Earth

USA Rare Earth, Inc. (Nasdaq: USAR) is building a domestic rare earth magnet supply chain. USARE's magnets and rare earth minerals are required for a wide variety of products used in the defense, automotive, aviation, industrial, medical, and consumer electronics industries.
www.usare.com www.usare.com
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We have Rare Earth in New Mexico too. The Monzono Mountains and several mines in northern New Mexico that helped the U.S. greatly in producing turbine blades during the latter half of WWII.


geoinfo.nmt.edu

REE in NM

geoinfo.nmt.edu geoinfo.nmt.edu


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The Chinese communists infiltrated into the Greens got them shut down, but they can be reopened under modern conservation minded processes. The Chinese within our borders are often manipulating America out of the global manufacturing and Trade process. We need to shut down the Chinese Communist Agent Provocateurs inside our nation.


But the above discussion about Rare Earths was really a way of introducing the concept of a Global Trade Process with America as a member which is producing certain products and materials, which it can sell internationally, because our nation has an abundance of those things beyond our own internal consumption rates.


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Tbird19482 said:
No but why is he even thinking about getting rid of our national lands?
Make money for his billionaire buddies that is all.
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The rich are cashing on at the expense of American taxpayers.

It's the equivalent of a parent blowing all their savings and their kid's college money on a nice pickup truck and a bass boat.

I had a shirttail relative visit once with two young girls, about 5 and 7. He had a great set of hunting rifles and other guns in his closet but the girls had very little. Since I traveled a lot, I had over a cubic foot box full of little soaps, shampoos, condition, mouthwash, etc from hotels. Showing the girls something in the garage, they saw the box and I offered to let them dig through it and pick out what they liked. They're reaction was like being turned loose in a candy store. My wife reminded me they had next to nothing and I ended up giving them the entire box. It was like Christmas to them. Their dad was a nice guy but it was sad for me to see him happy with his adult toys and neglecting the girls

I have no doubt he's a MAGAt today.
 
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